GOP's "Pledge to America" Authored By AIG/Exxon/Pfizer Lobbyist!

Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by saltheart foamfollower

 

Okay I will play your distraction game.

I am a member of the Socialist Party and I attend the local chapter meeting whenever I can, and I believe that I can speak for them when I say, we are not praising the Democrats, and if we aren't the CP is definitely not. So quit the little Socialism as a boogie man thing it's getting a little old. Also it would be in the rights best interest to stop talking about Socialism as poll already show the more Republicans say Socialism the more Americans are interested in it.

Look you already stated that the Tea Party is throwing out establishment Republicans. Why can't you just admit that the Tea Party is an energetic, hardline form of the Republican Party? It's as simple as that.

The Tea Party is a group of liars, it's as simple as that. At least man up and admit that your party made mistakes in the past instead of acting like you aren't part of it anymore and you are some 'grassroots' movement.

There is indeed a lot of ignorance going around about Socialism, and I think it's just propaganda to give certain members of the populace a negative connotation of Socialism long before they actually learn anything about it. It's interesting to hear that more Americans become interested in Socialism as propaganda rails against it... I wouldn't be surprised. Some people insist on doing their homework and if they see truth in Socialism (which they inevitably should) they may/will adopt it partially, which is just fine. Social Democracies actually enjoy some of the best societies on the planet- good health, good social programs, general happiness, prosperity, ample freedoms, intelligent populace, etc.

With that said, I don't think the entire Tea Party is a group of liars... I think a group of liars and snakes are running the game (or trying to) and herding a flock of sheep who believe they're wolves. Now there is of course some truth to the Tea Party... and it's quite mired in confusion as to WHAT the Tea Party really is. There is a tug of war going on between the establishment and those who wish to make the Tea Party represent a TRUE grassroots movement. I hope the grassroots wins out and the Tea Party encourages people towards positive activism and EDUCATING themselves on the issues they are concerned about. The Tea Party is extremely immature right now... but who knows, it could become a mature/educated movement that ends up uniting more with seasoned left-wing activists than with the establishment... and while I'm in fantasy land, perhaps it could present a real uniting of the populace to fight for freedom and the best deals for the middle/lower classes.

Originally posted by Misoir
The Tea Party is the Republican Party.

Switching names doesn't change who you are.

That's right....you can't pollish a turd!

2nd line.

Foam is acting like Janky in a Mnemeth thread -

anyhow, I am not surprised, it just keeps getting better

reply to post by Janky Red


Hey man, I did not sidetrack the discussion did I?

Just to back you guys up, being that I worked for large land developers and ran a business myself in the past, I guess I better not write any ideas down huh? Better just stay the hell out of the political discussion all together right?

Now, where were we? Oh yeah, both the entrenched politicians in the Dems and the Repubs are allowing the special interests to dictate things. So, we on the right have booted 10 entrenched Repubs to the curb.

What have you guys done with your corrupt people? Oh, you re elected them in your primaries. Gotcha.

Tell me, what are you saying about Obama Care being written with the insurance companies help? How bout the Financial Reform bill? You do know that the new bureaucracy is going to be under the perview of the Federal Reserve right? The Federal Reserve is a private entity where there is no oversight.

You do know that right? HEHHEHEHEHHE

Peeps you just make me bust a gut. Since we are talking about special interest, what do you think about the FBI and the Obama admin pushing to implement complete surveillance and control of the internet?

I bet there is a lot of contracts to special interests for this baby.

Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
reply to post by Janky Red

 

Hey man, I did not sidetrack the discussion did I?

Just to back you guys up, being that I worked for large land developers and ran a business myself in the past, I guess I better not write any ideas down huh? Better just stay the hell out of the political discussion all together right?

Now, where were we? Oh yeah, both the entrenched politicians in the Dems and the Repubs are allowing the special interests to dictate things. So, we on the right have booted 10 entrenched Repubs to the curb.

What have you guys done with your corrupt people? Oh, you re elected them in your primaries. Gotcha.

Tell me, what are you saying about Obama Care being written with the insurance companies help? How bout the Financial Reform bill? You do know that the new bureaucracy is going to be under the perview of the Federal Reserve right? The Federal Reserve is a private entity where there is no oversight.

You do know that right? HEHHEHEHEHHE

Peeps you just make me bust a gut. Since we are talking about special interest, what do you think about the FBI and the Obama admin pushing to implement complete surveillance and control of the internet?

I bet there is a lot of contracts to special interests for this baby.

Don't blame me, I voted Green.

reply to post by NoHierarchy


So there's personnel exchange between the public and private sectors? Somebody give Maddow the Nobel Prize!!!!!

Originally posted by snusfanatic
reply to post by NoHierarchy

 

So there's personnel exchange between the public and private sectors? Somebody give Maddow the Nobel Prize!!!!!

the key point your clearly missing is that the GOP/Republicans are desperately trying to re-package themselves as 'washington outsiders'. Of course, when their empty talking points, that are just a re-hash of the same social con pap they have said for decades are written by some of the biggest corporate interests in America, they arent really 'outsiders' are they?

Now, did you REALLY miss the meat of the point? Or were you TRYING to miss it?

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Saying the tea partiers are part of the Republican party is like saying Ron Paul is part of the Republican party.

Technically, sure.

However, there is a reason why the neo-cons come unglued when ever the tea party votes out an incumbent statist Republican in a primary.

I don't consider Tea Party Republicans to be of the same party as the neo-con statists. The political differences are vast.

The Tea Party is conducting a hostile takeover of the Republican establishment.

Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

I don't consider Tea Party Republicans to be of the same party as the neo-con statists. The political differences are vast

'vast', eh? Can you list those differences? EVERY 'tea party affiliate running appears to have the EXACT same values as the more socially conservative wing of the GOP.

The Tea Party is conducting a hostile takeover of the Republican establishment.

You sure? How so? Nothing has changed but the name. New Coke is still just Coke.

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower


You can't have your cake and eat it too. You're going to have to make up your mind, is Obama controlled by lobbyist for corporate America or is he a socialist.

What you Tea Party people don't seem to understand is that Fascism and Socialism are fundamental opposites so please make up your mind.

This is why I call the Tea Party, "The Party Of Ignorance," they just seem to feed off it. Although, I have to say that it has become a form of entertainment just watching sensible people shoot down your nutty philosophy time and time again.

The "Pledge to America" can come from either two elite parties in our nation, because it applies to both of them.

Anybody that thinks America government works for the people in this days and times is a "fool" and a "dreamer".

Our congress doesn't make laws, it only passes laws that lobbyist of private interest writes.

So don't fall for party lines and don't offuscate your minds, this issue of big corporate entities pimps paying our whores in Washington goes both ways.

We should only blame ourselves for no doing a darn thing to claim our nation back.

reply to post by Flatfish

You can't have your cake and eat it too. You're going to have to make up your mind, is Obama controlled by lobbyist for corporate America or is he a socialist.

Do you actually believe those two things are mutually exclusive? Who do you think runs the socialist system? Some fairy god mother or something?

No, fascism and socialism in the ACADEMIC sense are on opposite sides of the argument. But in the REAL world, they are not. Everyone can speak academically about things and be completely correct, but then you add into that debate the HUMAN FACTOR. And all that academia goes out the window.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

This is NOT about Obama specifically. Funny how those on the Dem and the REPUB side do not seem to understand this very BASIC tenet, who is going to have the power NEXT?

Almost every admin since the Civil War has been centralizing power and the ignorant keep saying but they are benevolent folks, right? Of course not.

What did you say about Bush when he was pushing the Patriot Act and now you are still backing YOUR guy because he is on YOUR team. GO TEAM.

Yeah, real nutty. People like me understand and learn from history.

Some are ignorant of history and are DOOMED to repeat it.

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower


That is the reason why we will never unite to regain this nation back, political propaganda is doing a great job keeping us fighting each other.

United we stand divided we keep falling into the hands of those that only wants to keep us oppressed.

reply to post by marg6043


I do not understand how Libertarians like me and those on the Social Left cannot fix that first and then work on smaller systems of economics.

I still feel that centralized economic systems like socialism or communism cannot be controlled. Someone always takes total control. Always.

That is why I push for the individual states to be allowed their socialistic type systems.

That is what drives me nuts about the left wanting to force it onto the entire country. Massachusetts and Wisconsin I know have health care systems. Why not do it that way.

Nope, they have to do it through out the US.

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower


The job of the federal government is to keep the states from separating from the union.

While you mention two states that have their own health care system you most know also that the only way they are able to work is because the loans, bribes and incentives they take from the federal government.

In todays modern world of the USA, states can not longer function on their own without federal intervention.

That is the way the system has been manipulated to work.

Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower


I still feel that centralized economic systems like socialism or communism cannot be controlled. Someone always takes total control. Always.

That is why I push for the individual states to be allowed their socialistic type systems.

Do you live in some type of ideological fairy land. Don't you see the disconnect of what you just wrote. Is this mainstream TPM style thinking? That states are somehow immune to corruption and control?

How can anyone take you seriously after that.

Perhaps you should go back to writing in Huge type. That worked well!

reply to post by whaaa


The states are closer to the electorate. It is a hell of a lot easier to get rid of state corruption then a behemoth in Washington.

Especially with them using their instituted socialist programs as a piggy bank.

Hmmm, how are they going to pay all those IOU's in the Social Security vault? Just one example.

reply to post by marg6043


I know what you are saying. The end of all of this, is going to bankrupt us all.

What is the solution?

We cannot give them power. That is a given.

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower


I'm still very much against the Patriot Act but I've come to realize that due to certain policies that were carried out during the Bush administration, (ie: torture) that to allow disclosure of those policies would almost insure the first criminal prosecution of a living president and I doubt that would go over well. I think it's still in effect because some of the statutes contained within it expand the authority of the executive branch enabling TPTB to keep those secrets.

Doesn't make me like it any more, it's just that I believe that if the truth were to be told, we would discover that the Patriot Act survives today as a tool to protect the previous administration. I believe that the same is true with respect to the non-closing of Guantanamo Bay.

Originally posted by justadood
'vast', eh? Can you list those differences? EVERY 'tea party affiliate running appears to have the EXACT same values as the more socially conservative wing of the GOP.

You only think that because the media outlets you choose to listen to do not report on the Tea Partiers at all except when they open their mouths to utter a socially conservative idea. The whole thing is designed to make the Tea Partiers look like their primary concern is forcing everybody to go to church and banning anything enjoyable.

It doesn't help that establishment Republicans are doing their level best to steal the momentum of the Tea Party for themselves.

None of this affects the facts, however.

The Tea Party is primarily a fiscally conservative movement. I think it started out as grassroots opposition to Obamacare. The number one thing they want is to cut spending in Washington. All the ones I know personally want to see a balanced budget; that is the complete elimination of deficit spending. They want to see a dramatic rollback of federal power and influence.

Whatever your opinions on those issues are, the fact remains the Tea Partiers are interested primarily in fiscal issues, not social issues. If you don't believe me, ask a few of them; do an informal survey. The fact that so many people think it's all about social issues just speaks to how scared the establishment is of them. It's very easy to energize the liberal base on social issues, and that's precisely what is being done.

To be fair, maybe that's all changing lately. I'm less familiar with the Tea Party of today than the one of about a year ago. But in those days, they were much more Ron Paul than Sarah Palin. I do not know if the Republican establishment infiltration has successfully changed that yet.