Poll:Who believes Communism can work?

Hello hello just a poll. From what I understand the basis of Communism sounds great, but it seems it has failed again and again. If you agree or disagree please make your case or just let me know yes or no. Like I said I do not believe it is bad or good.

Communism has a great premise and idea, but it cannot work. It was never actually applied, contrary to what people claim.

So to answer the question, no Communism doesn't work.

I don't understand fully the concepts of the different "Ism's", But i get confused why "Communities" and "Community spirit" are good things, But Communists and Communism is a Bad thing ?

I suppose if everyone was poor and of the same class , then communism could work well, However with the divide between rich and poor being as large as it is.....Then the rich are never going to give any ground to their peasants.

That's why we have Elitism and Capitalism........... Because some assume themselves to be Better than others.

Pure communism doesn't take human nature into account, thus, no matter how nice it may look on paper, it will never work. Not that pure capitalism or pure socialism will either. A well regulated (but not overly regulated) capitalism/socialism hybrid is about as good as we can ever hope for in our current evolutionary condition.

reply to post by erumisato


So would that be kinda like what Obama is attempting to do?
I mean from what I gather anyway.

no pure system works well on humans. We are simply too diverse a species for it.

communism requires people remain stationary without desire to progress in any aspect of life.

Hitler was opposed to communism...hated the system actually, hense why he ran a national socialism...that seemed to work better, same as china and to some extent, the USSR (however, the USSR was a communist/socialist hybrid..the communist aspect killed it from the inside).

I don't believe there has been a single successful attempt at communism in history..the closest thing we got is north korea..but communism in itself is pretty impossible to implement.

Some bordering on a communist/socialist hybrid are places like Cuba and lao.

People like to refer to China as a communist nation, however they have since evolved past their communist aspects and due to market reforming, are very much a national socialism...still horrific in their public improvements, but improving over time. This is the nation to watch and watch out for as their model may in a few decades time become the stable powerhouse of the world. China however does use capitalist aspects (Hong Kong), and are seeming to evolve slowly towards yet another hybrid, choosing what appears to be working best in the different "ism's" of nations and merging it with the rest. Who knows, in 100 years, they may have that perfect balance of people and resources and the rest of the world may adopt their final product...just so long as they don't start genocide.

anyhow, to sum up...communism = epic fail government...unless your a bee or ant

Originally posted by madhadder545
reply to post by erumisato

 

So would that be kinda like what Obama is attempting to do?
I mean from what I gather anyway.

Obama?

Its what every president for the last 100 years has been doing...a merger between the two to balance out personal growth with a baseline of standards...the bickering is ultimately hair splitting...a disagreement as to where the mark should fall..and coming up to 60+ years of stalling and kicking a can around to figure out where that mark should sit.

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No, I don't believe Obama is doing anything other than aiding the banking cartel in it's fleecing of the US. He is a front man for the NWO.

Essentially I'm looking at the German model, and to some extent the Scandinavian models as the type of governments I'd like to see. (Minus all the EU interference--the EU should be abolished.) The standard of living and happiness quotients within these countries have been at the top for decades, and the only reason that the sustainability of this model has been brought into question recently, is that they have been screwed by the same economic terrorism that has hit the rest of the world. As long as fractional reserve banking by a privately held central bank is the economic engine of the world, we are at the mercy of criminals, and no government model will be sustainable.

Originally posted by SaturnFX


anyhow, to sum up...communism = epic fail government...unless your a bee or ant

Communism is a economic system, NOT A FORM OF GOVERNMENT

There is no reason why you CANNOT have a democratic government with a communist economy

Originally posted by Returners

Originally posted by SaturnFX


anyhow, to sum up...communism = epic fail government...unless your a bee or ant

Communism is a economic system, NOT A FORM OF GOVERNMENT

There is no reason why you CANNOT have a democratic government with a communist economy

Communism is a sociopolitical movement that aims for a classless society structured upon communal ownership of the means of production and the end of wage labour and private property

Wiki is your friend.

you cannot have a democratic communism.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Returners

Originally posted by SaturnFX


anyhow, to sum up...communism = epic fail government...unless your a bee or ant

Communism is a economic system, NOT A FORM OF GOVERNMENT

There is no reason why you CANNOT have a democratic government with a communist economy

Communism is a sociopolitical movement that aims for a classless society structured upon communal ownership of the means of production and the end of wage labour and private property

Wiki is your friend.

you cannot have a democratic communism.

Maybe you should read the wiki some time instead

according to this the definition of communism is an economic system where the means of production are owned by the people. And everybody gets paid the same.

There is no reason why you cannot have a country where every job pays the same amount and everybody is able to vote for a leader.

en.wikipedia.org...

Economic systems are Capitalism, Socialism, Communism

Governmental systems are Dictatorship, Monarchy, Single Party Democracy, Multi party democracy

Also forms of government, clearly communism does not appear on the list

en.wikipedia.org...

Communism on the other hand appears on the list of economic systems

en.wikipedia.org...

List of economic systems

An etymologist's approach to economic systems, this list attempts to sort all possible economic systems in alphabetical order, without any division or hierarchization.
American School
Anarchism
Anarcho-capitalism
Anarcho-communism
Autarky
Barter economy
Buddhist Economy
Capitalism
Colonialism
Communism
Coordinatorism
Corporatism
Corporate capitalism
Digital Economy
Distributism
Dirigisme
Fascist socialization
Feudalism
Green economy
Hydraulic despotism
Inclusive Democracy
Information economy
Internet Economy
Islamic economics
Japanese System
Knowledge economy
Libertarian communism
Libertarian socialism
Market economy
Market socialism
Marxian economics
Mercantilism
Mixed economy
Mutualism
National Socialism
Natural economy
National Economy Model Haydarizm
Neo-colonialism
Network Economy
Nordic model
Non-property system
Parecon
Participatory economy
Planned economy
Progressive Utilization Theory
Resource-based economy
Self-management
Social market economy
Socialism
Socialist market economy
Syndicalism
Subsistence economy
Traditional economy
Virtual economy

Well that was short lived.. Thanks anyway

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Well , this guy took a Shot at it but Missed the Point..........


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......Hmm........No ?

Communism is a difficult subject to explain. Real Communism has never been achieved and now it has an taboo feel to the philosophy. A user LifeInDeath said it best in another thread.

Most "Communist" leaders have been anything but. Mostly they have used the veneer and terminology of Communist ideals as a smokescreen for their totalitarian dictatorial rule. Mao, Stalin, etc. They used the ideology and economic principles as a kind of new religion to control the masses. Ironic, since Marx railed against religion - but one dogmatic ideology replaced another, and was held to with the same sort of fervent beliefs as have been Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Judiasm...etc., etc. Same thing in a different form. I do think Lenin actually believed in what he was doing and it's pretty clear that at the time of his death he was trying to make changes in the system to make it more workable. Lenin really did live a very austere lifestyle, taking up residence in a very small, simple apartment within the Kremlin and forgoing luxuries and such. That's not to say Lenin didn't use extreme brutality in establishing his government - all I'm saying is that I think for him it was probably an ends justify the means situation. But, that brutality is what brought Stalin to the fore within his administration. Stalin was a useful kind of person when you run a government that way, and so he rose to ever more power and influene, until by the time of Lenin's death, he was really already very much in control of things (even if others didn't necessarily know it).

With that said it's difficult to try explain real Communism to someone who doesn't understand the philosophy. In a Capitalist system a small minority get's the wealth. While the majority tired of being lower then dirt are influenced to take control. It's a great theory how Karl Marx believed people should live together in harmony.
But I don't think it would last forever in our time.

Everybody is struggling to explain Communism, so let me quote Karl Marx himself who said: " from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", which basically comes down to 'give what you can, take what you need'.

Does Communism work ? NO. Would it ever work? No.

Socialism like Communism is yet another "ism" that fails to see the true nature of human beings, equality is for the birds, every man wants to rise above his peers, control his surroundings and forge them to suit his needs. The accumulation of wealth by an individual is the least destructive and most productive way we have today to gain power and rise above our peers compared to the past where marauding hordes or power-hungry warlords built large armies and waged war continuously to expand their power.

Where is the poll?

also its common sense it doest work. Its a great idea but wont work in real life where people always want more.

so good luck arguing for 10 pages I just summed it up in less then 20 words!

Communism works if your high up in the party ,sucks if your one of the masses however,it is a model that will never work due to human nature greed and lust for power dictates haves and have nots in communism as well as capitalism.

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Its 2010 and we're still asking if communism can work?....excuse me for a second



oops i choked on my own spit there we go



ah, man, that's great

s*** i barfed. damn you communism, still making people barf with laughter after all these years.

There were many native American tribes with communist societies that were successful. It does however, take a higher form of communal and social responsibility, which we are trained away from since birth. The Japanese, perhaps, have enough social responsibility to succeed in it as a culture.