UFO over Australia -- 17-09-2010

reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy

You finished smashing your pereceptions of reality into us all yet?

For a newbie here you got a lot to learn about decorum and manners mate. Name calling of any sort is below standard no matter how much you think you are the only one with the correct perception.

You asked me..

You are defending a liars video... You are making false observations saying there was no clouds and smoke in the OP's video when there clearly was. You are ignoring cloud cover in example videos. Makings stupid color comparisons between two different video cameras (one being a cheap phone camera). Denying the evidence that proves the OP's video's sound was tampered with using 3rd party applications... Agreeing with so called sound experts who don't even have a valid argument simply because he agrees that this object isn't a hoax.... Seems like YOU are the dis-informant here. Are you the video creator? This video is a HOAX, plain and simple.

I made no such claim of No Clouds in the OP video. Re-read my words mate. Note the differences being referred to in the appearance of the clouds.

Stupid colour comparisons ? Really.. you told me the colours will apear differently depending on many things.. so I pointed out how all Dump and Burn F-111 videos show Orange/Yellow Light ONLY.. you then attacked me for that observation and subtly claim me as stupid. Yes? Well done dear ego.

Just because you say so does not provide perfect evidence.. all your offerings have been good work no doubt, but do not Prove beyong doubt anything at all.. other than a discrepancy in sound that may or may not have another reason we as yet don't know. And yet you say it is this way and this way only, and all of us who disagree are basically idiots. Big Unbalanced Ego there mate.

Given the vehemence with which you have hammered home your perceptions I have been wondering if it is you who are the disinfo expert brought in just days before this thread began.. the long term members here know this does happen often here.

You do have a right to state your case, and argue it effectively if you wish, you do not have a right to State what This Is Conclusively.. and then proceed to argue everyone else into the ground while loudly hailing your version of the Facts Only. You behave as a disinfo agent, so you must be one then, yes?

Me on the other hand, just a keen observer with my own list of sightings, close, very close, and distant. I have been a researcher in the field for many years, chaired groups on ufo research and paranormal activity and have even worked professionally as a ...wait for it... genuine psychic/spiritual counsel amongst other things.

So I have a solid background in this field and am more than happy to wait as long as it takes to get the clearest perception possible of any event. As opposed to most dinsinfo agents we have seen employed here who like you go for the kill immediately. Not even taking time to develop a sense of companionship with the members here.. nope.. straight for the kill.

The jump from this video was taken at Nowra.. to making a statement of supposed Fact.. He filmed this in Brisbane during River Fire.. is simply too big a leap tyo make at this time.. you of course leapt there befopre anyone else and that is where you stayed.

When we think we know it all, we cannot ever move forward because we have closed ourselves off from learning anything new.

Sorry if this offends you.

reply to post by Tayesin


blah blah blah blah...

Go believe its a UFO then Mr. Gullible.

I predict this topic will be in the HOAX forum in the near future, and my predictions are never wrong.

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy
reply to post by Tayesin

 

blah blah blah blah...
Go believe its a UFO then Mr. Gullible.
I predict this topic will be in the HOAX forum in the near future, and my predictions are never wrong.

Gift0fpr0phecy.....

You have seen that I am in contact with the witness.

As part of that, I have invited the witness to review our discussion & perhaps engage in a dialogue with us if he feels so inclined.

I think it will be more respectful to the witness if you express yourself in a slightly "milder", more polite manner.

Think about it for just a few seconds.....

How would you like to be written about if you were the witness & you were genuinely seeking an explanation for a sighting of an "unknown".

Thank you for considering my note.

Now.....

Regarding the object.....

What do you think might be going on there?

I'm still not sure what I'm looking at.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Amazing... i hope this is not a hoax. I want this to be the real thing.

reply to post by Maybe...maybe not


Ok. Yes I understand. I will be more polite.

What do I think is going on here?

I think the OP's video was filmed on 9/4/10 during the third pass of the F-111 dump-and-burn display at the Riverfire festival in Brisbane.

After carefully studying the video below from 0:55 to 1:57 I have found that the flight path is completely identical.

www.liveleak.com...

The jet flies up, makes a U-turn, then 27 seconds after the U-turn the jet turns off the dump-and-burn.

If you watch the OP's video:

www.youtube.com...

The object flies up towards the clouds, makes a U-turn, then 27 seconds after the U-turn the object turns off the light.

This can not be a coincidence.

I have also noticed that 11 seconds after the U-turn, on BOTH videos, the jet/object makes a very slight turn.

This is not a coincidence. These two flight paths are 100% identical. They are the same object filmed from two different locations.

I am currently in the process of making a video that shows both videos side-by-side, synchronized by the time both of the fire balls disappear. This should make it easier to see how the objects are identical.

I have no doubt the OP's video is an F-111, filmed on 9/4/10, at night, and the object is flying over Brisbane. Also, the video creator was giving false information. I would be glad if the video creator could prove me wrong.

reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy


believe me one thing mister "i feel smart today", this light that u see coming from the jet is EXPENSIVE (mixed with the jet fuel). THey turn it off as soon as there is no crowd anymore watching .

done.

Note, the video on the left showing the F-111 is NOT flying through clouds/smoke. The clouds/smoke are only between the F-111 and the camera making it appear that way. The video on the right is from a different perspective which does not have clouds/smoke between the camera and the F-111.

At 0:03 in the video, the F-111 on the left is passing two clouds (water or smoke) that happen to be above the camera man. At the same time, the video on the right shows the object passing two clouds.

At about 0:08 the F-111 on the left is behind clouds, so only the intense part of the flame is visible. This effect is only visible to the camera on the left because the cloud is only between the F-111 and the camera from this angle. The camera on the right is looking from a different perspective so there is no cloud between the object and the camera to obstruct the view of the flame.

At about 0:20 the F-111 on the left starts to fly a direction directly away from the camera on the right. This is why the object on the right appears to be stationary. Both objects start the U-turn.

At about 0:27 the F-111 on the left make a slight turn, exactly when the object on the right starts to move from its apparent stationary position. Finishing up the U-turn.

At about 0:35 the F-111 on the left AND the object on the right make a very slight turn, almost hard to see.

At about 0:49 the F-111 on the left AND the object on the right both turn off about 27 seconds after the U-turn.

The two videos are not perfectly synchronized. The video on the left is a few frames late.

Please note their identical speed!

reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy


Gift0fpr0phecy.....

I have no doubt the OP's video is an F-111, filmed on 9/4/10, at night, and the object is flying over Brisbane.

I will be very interested to see your comparitive video of the Brisbane F111 "dump & burn" & the video that is the subject of this thread.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

reply to post by Maybe...maybe not


See the post above..

If they are not exactly the same object, you can note the exact similarities of the object.

1: Both travel the same speed.

2: Both have identical flickering.

3: Both are staying just below cloud cover.

4: Both turn off and dim exactly the same rate.

5: Both seem to be of identical brightness.

6: Both seem to do similar maneuvers, a U-turn. (hard to tell because of laws of perspective).

and the rest...

7: Both in the same country.

8: Both in the same month (supposedly)

9: Both about a day's drive away from each other (supposedly)

10: Both seen at night.

There is probably more similarities I am missing.

reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy


Gift0fpr0phecy.....

Very interesting.....

Food for thought.....

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy


I think you might be on the money mate.
The "ufo" video is black and white from the look of it, which makes it look different to the burn video, but only in that context.

reply to post by atlasastro


Thanks...

However, if you watch the OP's video really carefully, the first 2 seconds of video has color, but then it all gets washed out.

Here is the color:

Here is the wash out:

You can see it change between 0:02 and 0:03.

As you can see the first image's street light is more orange, and so is the object. The second image's street light is more white, and so is the object.

This is why I was saying to the other member that there is no point in comparing colors. The camera is cheap, and settings are different. But then I got ridiculed...



Pay attention to detail everyone...

That could be the case: But someone learned in perspective please comment on the reversal of direction the UFO took, and the bank the F111 doing the dump performed. The UFO appears to have done a 180 - it has completely (at least from appearance) turned completely around - or, stopped and reversed directions. The other seems to have only mildly arced. However, perhaps this is again, just PoV.

I did note in another video that the way the light dies out both in the ufo video and the F111 dumps is near if not completely identical. That more than anything, makes me think that's what we are seeing. Also note the change of color AND loss of sound after the start of the video. i.e. it seems this has undergone some editing. If so, probably a hoax.

Is it possible that the approaching car's bright headlights could alter the spectral colours around the lights, and once past the camera the lack of an extra source of light causes the appearance of colour to change?

I'm over arguing.

Sorry to break it you guys, but I think this is part of some sort of airshow they were having in the area at the time. I've found another video of what I think looks like the same thing, but filmed from a closer angle. (Sorry I wasn't able to embed the video) You can see at around the 45 second time the light is reflecting off the clouds in the same way as in the OP video. www.youtube.com...
Don't get me wrong, I am a believer in UFO's, I just don't think this is one.

Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy

edit on 1-10-2010 by gift0fpr0phecy because: (no reason given)

I will admit your 'evidence' is very compelling so let me ask you this if you will. Do you think someone can mistakenly misidentify this as something unknown or.....are these performances quite obvious not to mention, loud (having never witnessing this myself)?

did u contact the local authority about the issue????

Originally posted by Triangulum
reply to post by Slippery Jim

 

I don't really need to think it through. The ability to do a dump and burn in the F-117 is a design oversight. Sure, many aircraft are able to dump fuel. They just don't dump it over the engines. Point me to an example of another plane on Earth that is able to do the same.

T.

Triangulum,

You were correct. I've looked and looked and couldn't find another jet that can do this.

I stand corrected.

I still think gift0fpr0phecy has it down to a tee.

The F111 may have been decomissioned from RAAF service but that doesn't mean its not flying.

At almost every UK flying display we have a Spitfire and a Lancaster doing a flyby. Decomissioned a long time before the F111 was built but still flying.

ATS Team:

I could be misinterpreting some of the posts. However, I think some people might be missing the point.

Gift0fpr0phecy has proposed the video was taken during an airshow in Brisbane (approx 1,000 kilometers north of Sydney) , even thought the witness is stating the video was taken in Nowra (approx 150 kilometers south of Sydney).

That is why Gift0fpr0phecy is proposing the video is a hoax.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

reply to post by Maybe...maybe not


A Dump&Burn at a Brisbane airshow in the Dark?



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