Aliens Visit Us Often!

reply to post by AnonymousMoose


Dear AnonymousMoose

If any of that is true, I think it is because they quite rightly don’t think we can be trusted with anything better.

The boffins can get on developing anything they like, that is ok.

The problem we all have is if it is really dangerous the general will get there hands on it.

Civilization has to develop along with Tech or we sure as hell are not going to make it for much longer.

reply to post by adigregorio


Dear adigregorio

You obviously think that they did us a favor???

I am not so sure, before Edison invented the light bulb we used to get good nights sleep. This was a good thing.????

reply to post by MAC269


Well I can't speak for everyone, but I sure enjoy (most of) the advancements!

I also look forward to the leaps and bounds we will take (by ourselves) in the future as well. And, if Aliens are visiting us (or will be) I will enjoy those advancements too! (assuming they come to help and not hurt)

reply to post by adigregorio


Dear adigregorio

In that space of time we have discovered antibiotics which has increased are life span no end.

Now we get a little older and die of stress related aliments.

It might work out when we get robot slaves, maybe.

reply to post by typwar


Yeah , I've got this friend .....

Joey Joe Joe Jr. Shabadoo ,

and he's met a few different aliens right here on earth ,

..... and some of them get around in VERY large spaceships (5 km. in diameter ) .

..... anyway , their o.k , nice , peoply looking people .

But not from around here .

Yes , they have been visiting here since the dawn of time , and your guvmint knows ALL

about it . Some advanced tech has/is reverse engineered , but most is beyond our limited understanding .


Hope this helps ....

Originally posted by adigregorio

Originally posted by typwar
The thread is about how aliens visit us often because of how we are so advanced so quickly, what do you want me to show you, A picture of a city?

And I say we advance quickly because we use our collective minds. Which of our statements is "provable"?
See our (skeptics) problem?

Ummm Have to disagree here mate. I run an ISP, I provide support services for a number of operating systems a number of platforms and technologies and I can personally assure you the "collective minds" are not the top shelf of human development.

Now before you claim it's only my segment of clients, I have clients on 3 continents, that provide the full spectrum of industry and services including universities. It is true that there are exceptional individuals, but generally speaking the whole of society is very very limited. We advanced as quickly as we did with some kind of intervention. There was a spark, but it came from someplace else for sure. I'm not saying we aren't capable as we certainly are as a species, but to take credit for the huge leaps we have made in the last 125 years is laughable. Simply look at the preceding thousand years of stable farming and limited growth. Even today mention a perpetual engine or over unity and the debunkers will come out on droves, so I can only imagine how Tesla had it with wireless transmission of power.
Few if any of those "collective minds" can tell you how many zeros in a petaflop, or what that even represents compared to the state of human kind.

Sorry..we had help...without question.

..Ex

reply to post by typwar


Only the triangle race of aliens visit but to the reptilien..we are,the visitors.

Originally posted by v3_exceed

Originally posted by adigregorio

Originally posted by typwar
The thread is about how aliens visit us often because of how we are so advanced so quickly, what do you want me to show you, A picture of a city?

And I say we advance quickly because we use our collective minds. Which of our statements is "provable"?
See our (skeptics) problem?

Ummm Have to disagree here mate. I run an ISP, I provide support services for a number of operating systems a number of platforms and technologies and I can personally assure you the "collective minds" are not the top shelf of human development.

Appeal to authority is a fallacy of defective induction, where it is argued that a statement is correct because the statement is made by a person or source that is commonly regarded as authoritative. The most general structure of this argument is:

1. Source A says that p is true.
2. Source A is authoritative.
3. Therefore, p is true.

en.wikipedia.org...

Sorry, that is not "evidence" that is a faulty argument.

I still have yet to see enough evidence that Aliens helped us. That doesn't mean they didn't, that means I have not seen enough evidence.

reply to post by typwar


They have taken a special interest in us since the mid 40's, after we exploded a few atomic bombs.

reply to post by radarloveguy


So do they have a place where they all get together like an Alien Elks Club or something?

Originally posted by adigregorio

Appeal to authority is a fallacy of defective induction, where it is argued that a statement is correct because the statement is made by a person or source that is commonly regarded as authoritative. The most general structure of this argument is:

1. Source A says that p is true.
2. Source A is authoritative.
3. Therefore, p is true.

en.wikipedia.org...

Sorry, that is not "evidence" that is a faulty argument.

edit on 9/28/2010 by adigregorio because: Added the source link

Well I'm not sure how much education you have had, but I will start by saying wikipedia isn't a source. It's neither factual nor reliable. Sorry. More than one university student has flunked for citing wikipedia.

The evidence we need to show you has been deemed classified by the powers that be. You know it, we know it and they know it. So irrefutable hard evidence wont be available until full disclosure has been made. So as much as humans have taken credit for many of the advancements, some of these have come far too quickly and far too common to have been completed by mankind randomly in the time allowed.

Even today the level of technological advancement is way way beyond the understanding and scope of the average human. But again, this isn't evidence, any more than your statement that humans have done this on their own is evidence. So we reach an impasse. I will not accept the evidence presented and you will not accept anything short of ET telling you that they did it. I still however agree with the OP. Mankind has improved way too fast in the last 125 years to have done so without some assistance.

..Ex

Originally posted by v3_exceed

Originally posted by adigregorio

Appeal to authority is a fallacy of defective induction, where it is argued that a statement is correct because the statement is made by a person or source that is commonly regarded as authoritative. The most general structure of this argument is:

1. Source A says that p is true.
2. Source A is authoritative.
3. Therefore, p is true.

en.wikipedia.org...

Sorry, that is not "evidence" that is a faulty argument.

edit on 9/28/2010 by adigregorio because: Added the source link

Well I'm not sure how much education you have had, but I will start by saying wikipedia isn't a source. It's neither factual nor reliable. Sorry. More than one university student has flunked for citing wikipedia.

Now now, I could list the sources they got their information from. Would that make you feel better? I love it how wiki becomes bad when I point out someone using a faulty argument with it...

And why the jab at my education? I would give you a "more reliable" source on how your argument is faulty, but that would be off topic.

Originally posted by v3_exceed
The evidence we need to show you has been deemed classified by the powers that be. You know it, we know it and they know it. So irrefutable hard evidence wont be available until full disclosure has been made.

Please, how can you know there is evidence is the evidence is classified?

That is like saying, "The horrible monster skinned the girl alive, and left no witnesses". (Then how do they know it skinned the girl?)

Originally posted by v3_exceed
So as much as humans have taken credit for many of the advancements, some of these have come far too quickly and far too common to have been completed by mankind randomly in the time allowed.

WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE OF THIS? You can not just spout something and expect it to become fact. Another member pointed this out about these "smarter than man" achievements. Why did we only get a TV, where is the hologram? And, where the heck are our jet packs!!!!???

You are going to need to show how man could not have come up with these ideas. What is so magical about the advancements that there is no way a human could have done it?

Originally posted by v3_exceed
Even today the level of technological advancement is way way beyond the understanding and scope of the average human. But again, this isn't evidence, any more than your statement that humans have done this on their own is evidence.

Ahh, the evidence is that we have these technologies and there are NO ALIENS!!!!! Or am I missing something? Does Gloop sell iPods now? No Macintosh does, and that is run by (you guessed it) HUMANS.

Originally posted by v3_exceed
you will not accept anything short of ET telling you that they did it.

That is not true, all someone has to do is tell me why it is "impossible" for man to have made these things without help. A real reason, not some faulty argument.

Originally posted by v3_exceed
Mankind has improved way too fast in the last 125 years to have done so without some assistance.

And as long as you agree that this is your opinion and nothing more, we are on the same page.

As it stands, the facts point to humans making the advancements. Unless there is some evidence of the other case. Something no man could ever do, ever.

So you all have seen this Press release on CNN right?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

A mate of mine bought a speedboat with a chevy engine connected to a 300 liter patroltank (You wouldn't wanna fill up that baby.) Besides the engine and the hull the thing is a mess. If I came across the thing I would tow it straight to the junkyard. Not my mate though.

He took out the engine - dumped the fuel tank and went on the internet to check out how to convert the engine to run on liquid petroleum gas. Without ever done such a conversion and without help from anyone (human or alien) besides the web, he managed to convert the damn thing in no time and for a few bucks. He would have failed miserably if this where the 80's.

He owes this kind of knowledge-base in part to the telegraph that came into being almost two centuries ago. Even the internet is built upon ancient ruins and is by no means a recent invention.

Behold!! The Victorian Internet. (Steam powered as it should be.)







That Victonet was only an innovation upon the Naponet

In the 1790s, the French invented mechanical telegraphs, using signals and signal towers, spaced every ten kilometers, to send messages. Napoleon could send messages across Europe in a matter of hours. Within a few years, visual telegraph tower networks cris-crossed all of Europe. The main users were the military and the stock markets. The telegraph towers were on high points, so we still have places named Telegraph Hill and so on. More here

Which can be tracked back via innovation upon innovation to the root, the Chinet.



From the necessity to tell your people that an enemy is approaching up to instant knowledge on how to convert a petrol engine into one that runs on LPG, took dynasties. I don't think it needed to fall out of the sky.

Originally posted by typwar
Okay, to start off I am gonna say I am sick of people saying that aliens don't visit us, they obviously do. Explain all the UFO sightings before you make silly comments. Anyways back to the topic, has anyone else noticed that humans have advanced an insanely amount in the past 100 years? Seriously, we went from wooden wild west buildings to huge metropolises in 100 years, is this maybe the reason that aliens are visiting us often? I think the aliens have noticed this and are now interested in us

This type of post is a perfect example of the stupidity on here which keeps intelligent people away. Are you a child? If so then, when you've grown up a bit I hope you'll be fine, if you're not well...

It is a fact that people don't know what they are looking at. There is a lot of difference between looking and seeing. If you haven't seen a UFO in the night's sky then you're not very observant. Satellites, balloons, lanterns, and experimental millitary aircraft can all look very strange indeed. As I scientist I have not ruled out the visiting ETH, however it takes a bt more evidence than strange lights in the skies, and the quite frankly contradictory nature of alien abductions.

I realise that you require no evidence at all because you've turned the subject into a religion and your lashing out at all those who don't share your beliefs.

To be honest it is people like you that stop the subject being taken seriously by the scientific community, which I think is quite unfortunate. Now, try some grown up objective rational thinking for bit, and learn to communicate in a more adult fashion.

Originally posted by typwar

Could you explain how sightings of aircraft = aliens? I mean if I have to say how it doesn't you should have to say how it does.

I cant, but could UFO skeptics explain why it isn't aliens?

I wish people would really quit this "It might be, so prove it isnt" line.

Lets base things on what we DO know, and reduce it from there down. Rather than up.

We know, for instance, rain falls from the sky. Asking for others to provide evidence that it is not magical rain gods, when others say it's certainly plausible it's the result of natural phenomenon, does not help anyone.

Let's do it logically. Not magically....

Originally posted by badw0lf

Originally posted by typwar

Could you explain how sightings of aircraft = aliens? I mean if I have to say how it doesn't you should have to say how it does.

I cant, but could UFO skeptics explain why it isn't aliens?

I wish people would really quit this "It might be, so prove it isnt" line.

Lets base things on what we DO know, and reduce it from there down. Rather than up.

We know, for instance, rain falls from the sky. Asking for others to provide evidence that it is not magical rain gods, when others say it's certainly plausible it's the result of natural phenomenon, does not help anyone.

Let's do it logically. Not magically....

edit on 28/9/2010 by badw0lf because: rethought it a bit, sorry to confuse...

Hear hear badw0lf...so many people here want to run screaming to the hills shouting 'they're here!" at the appearance of aanything slightly unusual, and the usual rants of 'prove I'm wrong" is becoming rather tiresome. To all you ture believers, I should say that they're your claims, you provide the evidence to support your theories!

An unidentified object and visitors from another world are two different things. Unidentified phenonomem, yes! Aliens, no!

Originally posted by gem_man
An unidentified object and visitors from another world are two different things. Unidentified phenonomem, yes! Aliens, no!

And this is what I have been trying to say since I started typing in this thread.

So, quoted for truth.

On the first point (the sightings), it's my opinion that the vast majority of these are misidentified normal objects/phenomena. Planes at odd angles, satellites, natural weather phenomena, etc. have all been misidentified as UFOs. However, there is a small percentage of sightings that are difficult to explain definitively. And of these, a small percentage seem to show characteristics above and beyond known craft.

I think that most people have an abstract view of percentages. Here's what I mean. Let's say that in a given month, a TENTH of ONE PERCENT of all US sightings are intriguing. Sounds like almost nothing, right? I mean, it's not even one percent, but a TENTH of one percent......

Let's say that there are 10,000 sightings in the US, a month. If a tenth of one percent of these are unexplainable, that means that 100 of these sightings are intriguing. That small percentage isn't so little any more, is it?

However, we can't jump to the immediate conclusion that all of these are outer space vehicles. But, even if only ONE is, then we've got to deal with that reality. But, it isn't enough to say conclusively, that yes, we are being visited.

On the technology issue, tech evolves exponentially. The reason for this, is easy. Suppose that a new invention begets two new applications that use that invention, and now each new application begets two more adaptations, etc. Pretty soon, you've got an upward bell curve going up sharply.

That's the evolution of man's technology. The reason it's been so short lately, is because new innovations just make more possible. Think of how many inventions were spawned from the use of electricity alone. Or the microchip. I do grant you, that it's intriguing that the transistor (another key innovation) came out in 1947, the same year as Roswell, but even this tech has a pretty well defined route of experimentation, etc. In other words, it didn't come out of nowhere. One could argue, that alien tech could have confirmed some theories, etc., but if this is the case, where are our antigravity cars? Is it really that complex that we haven't been able to replicate it? Who knows? Point is though, tech evolution will be exponentially higher, and continue that way, unless there is some kind of setback. (not war, war is actually a catalyst for increasing tech even faster, as we come up with more creative ways to destroy ourselves).