new age religion: old truth or something else?

reply to post by Tayesin


When I was a child I remember trying to explain what you call the bubbleverses to other people, no matter how I tried people just could not understand what I was talking about, finally I quit trying and thought it was just me. Everything in the universe is one thing in constant motion vibrating and expressing and manifesting itself. this is something i have always believed, i never thought anyone would have these same thoughts.

reply to post by Tayesin

Awwww.. A Monday morning joke obviously lost on you.

I know it was peyote, and have read all of his books. They opened me up to spirituality and anthropology.

As for crystals.. When it comes to nuts and bolts, everything from rocks to us is made by a similar self replicating way.. But my jury is still out

reply to post by threadkiller


I know. When I was a little kid I understood things, felt things and saw things no one else seemed to see or understand. And that confused the heck out of me for sure. It concerned my parents who thought I must have been some crazy kid and often they threatened to send me to the shrink. So I learned to say nothing very quickly... unless the inner urge was too strong and you had to pass something on to another person.

But even then I knew the chasm between the world of man and the worlds of Force/Spirit was widening and somehow I had to walk between them on my own.

Have to say though.. what an awesome journey it has been. I would not change it for anything.. not for an elite lifestyle, wealth, fame or any other thing/stuff man desires.

Nice to meet you

reply to post by Yissachar1


I always look for the smiley or lol as a standard informer for what was said. I know I replied quicker than normal for me, so was probably in another place at the time. Sorry for missing the fun. And thank you for directing me back to here.

reply to post by Tayesin


I am just starting to realize how much i have forgotten since i was a kid. What do you mean by forse/spirit world and what do you mean by spirit. Thank you for your posts.

Originally posted by threadkiller
I am just starting to realize how much i have forgotten since i was a kid. What do you mean by forse/spirit world and what do you mean by spirit. Thank you for your posts.

Glad to hear it threadkiller, enjoy remembering.

Good questions. Using those words is more for conversation than exactness. I suppose they refer to the unseen all around us in every moment. Especially force, implying the energy of it while spirit in some way implies the awareness within that energy.

It's difficult to use any one word to denote something like this as every word has connotations and slightly different impressions for different people. So I hope this reply answers the questions.

How does forse/energy manifest, i have read about spirits, entities, positive and negitive energys, are these things what you refer to or much grander things? You mentioned cosmic energys how do they effect us.

Originally posted by threadkiller
How does forse/energy manifest, i have read about spirits, entities, positive and negitive energys, are these things what you refer to or much grander things? You mentioned cosmic energys how do they effect us.

It is everything, the seen and unseen reality around us. So it is manifest in everything you can physically see, feel, smell or sense in any other way as a human being, and it is manifest as everything you cannot sense as a human.

So not only is it our mundane physical world of things and lifeforms, it is also manifest as all the supporting astral levels of awareness, and everything far beyond that.

That sounds very general I know but it is the most effective reply I can give because there is no separation between what our physical world is made of at it's smallest parts and what the rest of our universe and beyond is made of... including what we humans call spiritual things.

It's all Aware Energy being everything you can experience and imagine. That is Force and spirit in a nutshell.. just two words to describe one thing.

One thing I read many years ago from quantum physics was this.. "Everything exists as one energy vibrating at different rates, with awareness." This was after noticing that thinking of a specific result appeared to cause the same result in tests. It was so long ago I don't remember where I read that.

reply to post by silent thunder

Evidently you were never "a hippy"...............please don't try to put a label on a group of people you evidently know nothing about.

I was and am still would be classified as a “hippy”. To me it was and still is an attitude from the 60's and 70's that valued:

• Peace over war
• Love over hate (Do onto others as you would have them do onto you).
• All people are equal, not just whites, males and heterosexuals. This belief includes the right to date and marry someone of another race other than your own or someone of the same sex as well as being able to hold a job and get paid equally, no matter your skin color or gender.
• The ability to choose one's religion without persecution or ridicule other than the “Christian” dominate one..
• Helping and sharing vs ignoring the plight of those less fortunate and hording wealth.
• Truth vs lies
• Being gentle and fighting for the rights of the underdog vs mean, cold and trample upon everyone that gets between you and the almighty dollar.
• Love and respect for Mother Earth and her other inhabitants, not just the rights of man but all who share this third rock from the sun.
• Questioning authority vs being sheep led to slaughter. This included the beginning of "conspiracies"........questioning the powers that be and protesting government policies, not blindly following along.
• Calling war and capital punishment what it was and still is MURDER.
• That men can be gentle vs brutish
• Natural, organic food vs processed
• Seeking knowledge instead of blindly swallowing the propaganda that we are fed day in and day out.

Summing it up: Live and let live as long as nobody gets hurt or another’s rights are not infringed upon.

Then came the Reagan era and with it brought an attitude of (Again, my own humble opinion):

• Greed vs sharing
• Screwing over anyone and everyone to "get ahead".
• Money is thy God
• Corporatism shall rule. Let the corporations dictate our laws and be our slave masters.
• It's okay to lie vs being truthful......."a half truth is still a truth"
Almost all of our mental institutions were closed down by Ronald Reagan during this period and many of the homeless you see where thrown out onto the street, on their own and should be in a institution. But hey, let's build more prisons instead of addressing the root of the problem, ie: institutions that could help the addicted and homeless. Why should we be our brother's keeper and house those that don't have the mental facilities to take care of themselves.......let's be like animals, and allow only the strong to survive.

• Close minded, right wing, Christian fundalmentalism with no real choice in religion and no real conscience.
• Go to church every Sunday which then allows you to do as you please Monday through Saturday and still be saved, praise the lord.
• Any sexuality other than heterosexual is condemned and will not be tolerated.
• A conservative, narrow minded, ridgid, egotistical and heartless mindset

New age, again in my own opinion – is the attempt to blend the Eastern and Western religions into a spirituality. It is still in it's infancy but a step forward towards mankind coming back to his/her true spiritual roots.

I believe all major religions however, were invented purposely to restrict and control mankind.

They were invented to remove man consciously from his true spirituality.

The Bible, Qur'an, the Vedas, Tantras, Puranas and all the other Holy Books were written by men not “God”.

We are like drops of water and together make up the ocean or single consciousness - what some would call “God” – so if you hurt another, you truly are hurting yourself.

Spirituality is vastly different than religious. The latter is a dogma practice and set belief while the former is a way of being. I don’t know how else to put it.

All religions are based on a rigidly set dogma system of belief, usually dictated by people that lived thousands of years ago. With being religious you give up your personal responsibility as a human to adhere to that dogma. In other words you don’t have to think for yourself – you are told what to believe and lose contact with your true soul nature.

Much of the “New Age” is really “hippy” beings we are going to label people and belief systems.

Mankind is progressing technologically at a phenomenal rate. He/she is also (hopefully) progressing spiritually.

If mankind does not progress his spiritual nature equally with his technological nature we all risk destroying ourselves.

We cannot keep going on blindly accepting and believing the half truths we have been fed.

We either grow up or die.

You see this most clearly in the Middle East.

There you have a culture that is on the verge of 21st century technology and yet they still stubbornly hang onto a belief system that if not updated could result in mass destruction.

I would suggest reading Political Ponerology, that will give you an idea of The Reagan era onward and why we are in the mess we are in and currently on the verge of self-destruction.

What is termed, “The new age religion” is the second attempt to get humanity back to his/her spiritual roots.

So much hatred, so much bloodshed all in the many names of “God”.

Humanity was never meant to be “religious” we by our very nature, having souls are spiritual beings.

The confusion lies in the fact that we have souls that are multi-dimensional trapped within a three dimensional body and have forgotten that at one time we were a single consciousness that splintered into fragments to allow a three dimensional experience.

That yearning that each human experiences is the “homing instinct” of wanting to return to the “one source” but having forgotten the path.

I can only speak for myself.

My choice is to be a spiritual being not adhere to some antiquated dogma.

"The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion." -- Thomas Paine.

No matter how much one feels one knows you never stop learning.
Rather obvious I know but so many fall into the trap of thinking they have got it all nailed down so to speak.
You have to be prepared to set aside all you think you know and be open to receive.
Never trust anothers ideas unless you run it past what the real inner you feels.
Better to know nothing than to be decieved.

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
reply to post by silent thunder

 

Evidently you were never "a hippy"...............please don't try to put a label on a group of people you evidently know nothing about.

True. It was a time you actually had to be there - to live it. The feeling and meaning of that time can not be translated in words. It was truly something special.

And - although Hippie's and Drugs are always spoken as one - - - that was not the case. The drug revolution was actually a separate movement that just happened to coincide in the same time and place - - - as the Hippie movement. Which started as an anti-war protest by college students.

Its really a shame that drugs entered into it. And overshadowed the true meaning and purpose.

Yes what Anee is saying is true- There were so many good ideas brought forward by the rebels of the Peace and Love generation - You had to be there to feel the Love Hope Sharing and pure energy of those times

reply to post by ofhumandescent


It's funny... You seem to be taking objection to what I have written, but actually I don't see any reason to disagree with most of what you wrote. Perhaps I see more value in structured paths than you do, but I also see "the pathless path" as equally valid. So, I'm a little confused as to why you are setting yourself up in "opposition" to me with your post.

And you ask me not to cling to labels...I truly try not to. In the same spirit, I would ask you not to make assumptions and projections about who I am that seem to me totally bewildering, inaccurate, and unfounded. My two cents.

By the way I have read, and enjoyed, Political Ponerolgy. I even started an ATS thread on the topic once. Great book.

All the best,

Silent Thunder

Psychedelics don't mess up your brain, they expand your consciousness, the problem arises when others have not expanded their consciousness to the same point.

The average person will get confused.

It doesn't mean their brain is messed up, quite the opposite.

Originally posted by Yissachar1
Carlos Castonida your time is done, we all know how '___' works now. Its not mystical, its not a separate reality, its your brain being messed up with drugs.. Now take your crystals and your chanting, and your chakras, and get a job ya hippy!

edit on 27-9-2010 by Yissachar1 because: (no reason given)

Sorry, but Carlos is dead now, ya know...

I was a teenager in the 1960s, and adopted the term "Hippy" to myself, and accepted "New Age" as a label for my burgeoning spiritual and metaphysical beliefs.

I think of it as a label belonging to a specific period in time, and as a reaction to the traditional religiosity that seemed to be the only thing around us at the time. It is still here and intact, but what we meant by "New Age" at the time is more refined, understood, and studied.

Then it would be astrology, magick, methods of meditation, and uses of entheogens (i.e. power plants) and foreign teachings and gurus. All those things have matured in the ongoing processes that the phenomenon called New Age was about.

Today, I study Gnosticism which is a direct evolution of my spiritual questing. It is as old a teaching as any, and yet I would proudly still describe it as New Age, since that meant to me to be the search for truth and wisdom in boundless new ways, and in any direction that an individual felt was his "own way." And I can still proclaim "Turn On Tune In and Drop Out" if I want, because more than anything, New Age meant freedom.