J-13 and XXJ!!!

Originally posted by NotheRaGe
Hey isn't that(the last pic) almost alike to the Boeing JSF design that got beaten by Lockheed Martin F-35?
Can the ideas of the chinese be more original??

Get your own plane

How the heck does that even remotely look like the X-32 (if that's the one you're referring to)? The X-32 is delta wing config, no canards or horizontal stabilisers, one engine exhaust at the tail, 1 big mouth intake on the front, and those are just a few of the most obvious features that make it differ from that plane in the pic. The X-32 is also a VTOL.

That plane in the pic on the other hand has two lateral intakes, two engine exhausts, and is in canard config

You guys should really get over that childish "China is always copying us" sentiment. For one thing, if you're not blind, you can easily tell the difference between modern Chinese designs and other designs (licenced copies are not indegenous designs). Although when the Chinese aircraft designing companies just started their careers all they could do was reverse engineering, they now have enough experience to be starting their own designs. That's when the childish prejudice needs to stop. And a second thing, it's what's inside the plane that matters more. Many fighters today look similar on the outside, but looks don't matter especially with tools used to kill. Sure I'd rather be killed by a plane that looks beautiful and original! Like the PLAAF would care.

Damn straight its what’s on the inside that counts. China may copy our designs all they want but they cant copy the tech. I just feel bad for the Chinese when they’ll have their beautiful jets shot down

Also design is only first generation stealth, the Raptor has more than just design, to make it stealthy.


[edit on 10-4-2005 by WestPoint23]

That structure is not even a copy. The layout is completely different. What stealthy US fighter ever uses canard configuration?

Ok, exclude the canards most of the jet incorporates the F/A-22 design, but it doesn't matter. Like I said the tech is what counts and the pilot too.





West Point, Out.

in ten years the electic equipment in the f-22 will be in my watch the RAM paint will be coated on my bike etc.

im saying the f-22 is not goin to say the top of the line forever

Originally posted by chinawhite
in ten years the electic equipment in the f-22 will be in my watch the RAM paint will be coated on my bike etc.

im saying the f-22 is not goin to say the top of the line forever

For ever? Of course not.

Compared to anything built to rival of it? Of course it will. The Raptor will dominate, take it to the bank. The fact is that the US has the most sophisticated technology in the world. Russia, China, the EU - none of them can hope to make a better aircraft in the short term. Sure, in 15 or 20 years they will be able to, but by then so will the US.

BTW - I don't know what kind of watch you have, but mine sure as hell does not need 2 supercomputers

As long as the US government allows the Greys to mutilate cattle and abduct people, they will give the US gov all the tech they want, to stay above the top of the world!

But on second thought, that could actually be true! Ya never know

Originally posted by American Mad Man


Compared to anything built to rival of it? Of course it will. The Raptor will dominate, take it to the bank. The fact is that the US has the most sophisticated technology in the world. Russia, China, the EU - none of them can hope to make a better aircraft in the short term. Sure, in 15 or 20 years they will be able to, but by then so will the US.

BTW - I don't know what kind of watch you have, but mine sure as hell does not need 2 supercomputers

The EU actually leads the US technologically... it simply has no need for an aircraft with the F-22's sophistication , thereafore none has been designed and built.

Actually your post is misleading, were talking about military technology. And you know just as well as I do that if the EU had the money and tech to build the Raptor they sure as hell would.

The EU collaborately could outspend the US on defence... but has no need. We are not commited to various incidents around the world and instead prefer to spend the money on other things.

Defence is earmarked a certain amount... it's the jobs of the various companies to build products to fit budget and requirement.

For the price of 1 raptor you can have 2 Typhoons... Which in terms of price/performance is a better deal to me.

Of course if money was not an issue a raptor would be the preffered solution for air defence... but it simply is not required. We face no immediate threats... certainly none that would require the marginal performance advantage a raptor would give over the typhoon.

The raptor can not swing roles like the typoon... thus it's not as versatile. If you ask me... the typhoon is not really as necesary these day's.

Well I'm sure one continent can outspend one country, but the Raptor is an air dominance fighter. The F-35 is going to be our multi-role fighter. Why limit the raptors performance when you can have two type of aircrafts.

I too agree that the Typhoon is not really as necessary these days


[edit on 11-4-2005 by WestPoint23]

Originally posted by Lucretius

The EU actually leads the US technologically... it simply has no need for an aircraft with the F-22's sophistication , thereafore none has been designed and built.

How do I put this.......

SORRY, BUT NO!

The EU combined does not have the technology of the US military, plain and simple. There is no arguing that - it is fact.

Originally posted by Lucretius
The EU collaborately could outspend the US on defence... but has no need. We are not commited to various incidents around the world and instead prefer to spend the money on other things.

OK, a whole continent could if it wanted outspend us...SO WHAT? We have at least a decade lead in military technology over Europe Collectively. Europe would be playing catch up.

Defence is earmarked a certain amount... it's the jobs of the various companies to build products to fit budget and requirement.

For the price of 1 raptor you can have 2 Typhoons... Which in terms of price/performance is a better deal to me.

1 Raptor (pilots being equal) would beat 2 Typhoons. roughly equal price, less upkeep cost for 1 raptor then two typhoons, the raptor beats 2 typhoons. Sorry, the Raptor is better then 2 typhoons in price/performance.

Of course if money was not an issue a raptor would be the preffered solution for air defence... but it simply is not required. We face no immediate threats... certainly none that would require the marginal performance advantage a raptor would give over the typhoon.

Sounds a lot like the 1930's in Europe.

The raptor can not swing roles like the typoon... thus it's not as versatile. If you ask me... the typhoon is not really as necesary these day's.

You could not be more wrong. The Raptor has the same ground attack ability as the Typhoon. In fact, because of it's stealth ability it is in fact BETTER at ground attack roles. The Raptor also has the built in ability to perform anti-cruise missle duty built into it - something that the Typhoon does not. In addition, the Raptor also has MUCH greater EW capability. In short, your statement above is 100% incorrect.

You yanks seem to forget...you stole all your technology from the Germans at the end of WW2...so it's all down to Europe anyway. They had Jets before you...so did us Brits..they even pioneered the flyinig wing design eventually realised in the B2...they also made the first real progress with stealth.. Luckily, you lot stormed in there in the dying days of the war and shipped the lot back to the US. Clever.

But...you are streets ahead of us now...just remember how you got there. No different to China and Russia except at least they bought their tech.

btw. Check the figures on any global finance site...the Eu has more than enough resourses to churn out stealth bombers and the like if it wants to...we just don't need to cos you lot take care of that for us. Cheers :-)

Originally posted by Rapture404
You yanks seem to forget...you stole all your technology from the Germans at the end of WW2...

Please. We got a lot of help from operation paperclip, but to say we got all of our tech from Europe is just plain ignorant. We pioneered stealth aircraft ourselves, designed the nuke by ourselves, made the first nuclear powered sub by ourselves, INVENTED THE FRIGGING AIRPLANE ourselves. I am so sick and tired of everyone trying to say that the US didn't really do this or that. Get over it. We did. We are the pinical of technology in this world. PERIOD. No getting around that.

But...you are streets ahead of us now...just remember how you got there. No different to China and Russia except at least they bought their tech.

Oh yes, they bought there tech. So what money did we recieve for our nuclear weapons from them? Hmmm? They STOLE it. Litterally.

btw. Check the figures on any global finance site...the Eu has more than enough resourses to churn out stealth bombers and the like if it wants to...we just don't need to cos you lot take care of that for us. Cheers :-)

Guess what - the EU IS NOT A COUNTRY! Name a country that can "churn out" stealth aircraft. They can't.

These two models which photos showed the next generation Chinese fighter would be delta wing.


We have to associate with MiG-1.44 maybe

While the first is definitely a shuttle carrier(not a fighter) and most probably not chinese.. the second looks like a MiG 1.44 w/o canards..

MiG 1.44



[edit on 2-5-2005 by Daedalus3]

No, sorry, your identification is wrong.

How can I be wrong!!??!!
You can bl00dy well see a shuttle perched on top of that plane!!


I like your declaratives..

"no you are wrong"..
well at least tell me why you think Im wrong..

On one side I'm trying to defend you chinese from all these american copying accusations.. and Im getting it from you all as well!!??!!

LMAO

Very pathetic... maybe you deserve to be accused of copying because I only see a very strong retort when non-americans bring up the copying claim on china..
All american posters' anti-chinese taunts on the subjects strangely go unanswered or are replied at most with a feeble cry!!

Is it because most of you chinese on this site are living in america, and fear a reprisal of sorts if anything anti-american is said??
Maybe deportations??
weird.. really weird..
I'm not standing up for you guys any more..

Don't be angry!
First the postion of air-intakes is different, which is under the fuselage for 1.44 but is beside
Secound, wing tail is obviously different.
could you look at it carefully?