Agency Will Not Ask Israel to Sign Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty

I'll tell you what...

Rather than having countries sign a treaty, what we need is science to figure out a way to neutralize nuclear bombs. Some sort of a constant wave shield that would not allow nuclear reactions from a bomb to take place. Then all nuclear bombs would be useless and the world would be much safer.

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heh heh

Maybe sometime in the future but for now missile defense systems are what we have. They are what is being put into place around the globe. Good, Bad or Indifferent.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
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That's a fair question. My answer would be no.
Let me ask you a question. Now Supposedly Israel has had nukes since around 1968. How many countries have they nuked?

I hear you slayer69. They haven`t used them on any other country. But its a lot easier just to state the only nation that ever has used them .Should Kimmy Jr. accede control & remain in power in North Korea 30 years from now, i would still be apprehensive about N.Korea having a nuclear capability.

Israel is a rather unique case , in that it is such a compact `target`. As an ex- military man Slayer, would you say its also vulnerable to a concerted conventional attack ?

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RE: Pakistan ,
They are useful at the moment , this shields them from too much criticism..... that and the fact that they actually have nuclear weapons. this would be a fundamental difference between Iran and Pakistan and how the International community deals with them.

RE: India,
They are not a signatory of the NNP Treaty ...... yet receive the perks of a signatory .

"Agency Will Not Ask Israel to Sign Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty"

Why not? So they can drop them and not be subject to it?

.........Thread update........

Syria criticizes IAEA for not censuring Israel

DAMASCUS, Syria — A state-owned Syrian newspaper criticized a meeting of the UN nuclear agency for failing to censure Israel over its refusal to allow inspections of its nuclear program.

A 151-nation meeting in Vienna narrowly defeated the push by Arab nations, including Syria. The US and other Israeli allies had argued the resolution would have threatened Mideast peace talks and the chances of staging a high-level Mideast nuclear meeting.

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In this case, actions speak louder than words and although Israel's nuclear weapons have been one of the worst kept secrets, serious questions need to be asked as to why the UN made this decision. To be honest, I am getting a little fed up with the way Israel's government gets protected.

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I'm pretty sure you're not alone however they cannot be held to something they didn't sign nor forced to sign something.

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Agreed, but the Israeli government is about as trustworthy as a member of the Bush family with a UN resolution in his hand. In very simple terms, it must irk Arab nations a great deal to know that Israel has nuclear weapons, yet maintains its silence on the issue, protected by other UN member states. Pakistan and North Korea are a bigger threats.

It is a controversial view, but I think Iran should be looked to as a strategic partner and not an enemy.

im realy starting to dobut that they (the idf or the Israelis)even have nukes now humor me here on this one what if they have just wanted the world to think they have nuclear weapons and its a kind of bluff i mean the closest officaly they came to saying they had them is to say they neither confirm nor deny now if i were a relitively small country in an area that didnt exactly like me id want them thinking i had all kinds of stuff to protect my self with weather or not i actualy had it or not might end up being the worlds longest bluff now i know im problay incorrect but hey what if.......

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Sorry, there is already a well worn paper trail about Israel having nukes. Research France and South Africa in the Israeli nuke question.

no i know that and am familer with it i just think IF that is what they had been doing it would be priceless as to how long they pulled it off but yeah they most definately do have them and when i read an article about them deploying there "nuke boats" off the coast of iran that made me wonder if they have full on icbm cabiblity or just gravity bombs

back to the op i dont see how them signing it or not signing it has any bearing on "the peace process" as thats been screwed up for alot longer then the contraversy of them not signing it

looks like to me the arab countries are continually trying to disarm isreal and every way shape of form they can all the while increasing their own militaries to me now if the arab countries such as syria and iran were being honest about everything they have said their actions have spoken otherwise but then agian they would just rebutt we are arming ourselves in case they need to defend themselves.

now if one were to actually look at their defensive capability all one has to do is look at the systems they have in place there are two types of military offensive and defensive then all one has to do is acutally look at it and know who is telling the truth..

should have isreal signed no and that is the reason why they shouldnt have


if you think im wrong in that assesment feel free to correct me.

reply to post by SLAYER69

You brought up Pakistan a predominantly Muslim non-member of the NPT and a country with Nukes and Missiles that can reach Israel and certainly the gulf. Why isn't Israel, the West, the US or Other "Arab" lead nations protesting their activities? But they do Israels?

I think people pick on Israel for one good reason....

We all know Israel has nukes,
We also know Israel refuses to sign the NPT, which is their right...

What I DON'T think is their right and why people protest over Israel

is their staunch stance on Iran who they consider is breaching the NPT....

What gives Israel the right to complain about Iran breaching an agreement Israel refuses to sign?????

On a side note: Some of them so called breeches of the NPT by Iran are pretty minor...
I think you would need to list the breeches so people can decide how important they really are...

Originally posted by KilrathiLG
im realy starting to dobut that they (the idf or the Israelis)even have nukes now humor me here on this one what if they have just wanted the world to think they have nuclear weapons and its a kind of bluff i mean the closest officaly they came to saying they had them is to say they neither confirm nor deny now if i were a relitively small country in an area that didnt exactly like me id want them thinking i had all kinds of stuff to protect my self with weather or not i actualy had it or not might end up being the worlds longest bluff now i know im problay incorrect but hey what if.......

Its the one weapon that requires that your enemies know of its existence. Its why they are referred to as a Nuclear Deterrent .

I think Dr. Strangelove sums it up best ....

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Another thing to take into consideration is the proliferation of biological weapons since the American Anthrax attacks of 2001. That business has seen more funding and support like no other.

The saying about the guilty dog barking loudest comes to mind when hear Iran being condemned for nuclear aspirations.

Originally posted by CynicalM
is their staunch stance on Iran who they consider is breaching the NPT....

No, Iran signed the agreement and have broken said agreement. That's Internationally understood and accepted That's exactly why the UN got involved. Not becuase Israel said so.

What gives Israel the right to complain about Iran breaching an agreement Israel refuses to sign?

That's exactly why Israel wont sign. Why sign something that other members have ignored Like Iran, Syria, Libya?

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What gives Israel the right to complain about Iran breaching an agreement Israel refuses to sign?

Are you skipping this question??

I don't think anyone can deny that Israel is the one screaming the loudest...

And if Iran pulled out of the NPT could you imagine the screams from Israel then???

BTW, do you know the details of Iran's breeches??

reply to post by SLAYER69

That's exactly why Israel wont sign. Why sign something that other members have ignored Like Iran, Syria, Libya?

Come on Slayer...

Israel was hiding it's nuclear assets before all them other countries had working telephones.

reply to post by CynicalM


Your point is?
I've never denied that Israel had nukes they probably had them way back in 1968

Knowing Israel, they probably do have nukes. However, knowing Israel, they would have used them by now. I think nuclear threat is best served as a threat, considering it's been 55 years since they dropped the last atomic bomb. Israel complains of getting wiped off the map, while also threatening to wipe others off the map, so basically it's a bunch of children bragging about who has the largest stick. What's the use of a nuke if it's never used? Out of all the terrorists in the world, and how incompetent some of the regulations on nukes are, it's amazing a terrorist hasn't set one off yet. I've stopped worrying about a nuclear threat since it is just a threat. As much as people like to talk about the elite killing off the useless eaters, the elite would be nothing without their millions of mindless servants, so why would you nuke them? And it's not like a nuclear weapon is efficient for taking out specific targets. Edit: I guess I spoke too soon www.abovetopsecret.com...