Hyper-Drive, Warp Drive, We don't know how gravity works?

Mark Jackson, theoretical physicist from Fermilab In Illinois states, "the gravity is completely different from the other forces described by the standard model."

He further adds "that when you do some calculations about small gravitational interaction, you get stupid answers.

The math simply doesn't work.

Though I believe that we have done reverse engineering alien craft, It makes one wonder

Have we really done this? Have we figured out how gravity works by our own ingenuity? And is so what percentage of the human race have this knowledge?

Have we figured out how to master gravity and yet because of it's huge defensive capabilities, are the lowly massed to be left out of this important information so the U.S.A. will be the dominant race of this Planet.

Originally posted by copper5661
Mark Jackson, theoretical physicist from Fermilab In Illinois states, "the gravity is completely different from the other forces described by the standard model."

He further adds "that when you do some calculations about small gravitational interaction, you get stupid answers.

got a link/source?..........




Mod note: quotes corrected.

I believe this guy is the closest to an answer as far as gravity is concerned. not sure [naturally] about the alien stuff. Interesting read and watch nonetheless.



Alien Scientist

Yes, the U.S.'s brightest scientific minds have recently mastered the force of gravity by developing anti-gravity in a top-secret Defcon-5 level security clearance laboratory that is six floors beneath the Pentagon. Not even the President has access to his knowledge.

Is that what you wanted to hear?

We can do electricity, wind, fire, water, earth and other natural forces.. just the only one we can't do, the one that would set us free from this planet and the 'system' without having to learn lots of law, is gravity. With Teslas research into scalar em waves, the fabric of our vibrating energy matrix which surrounds us all can be manipulated, including gravity.

Look at how fast computers have advanced in 15 years, do you really think we as a whole race can't do gravity? 100 years of 8% efficient dinosaur engines and 4 wheels, with the latest advancements of... 100 year old electric motor + battery fuel cells. Sigh... wakey wakey.

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This universe is a simulated, holographic, technology, school. It has pixels, that the projectors/stars, erect into a shared image on the screen in our minds. There is only energy streams here. Our senses input them, they are organized by the GRAVITY program for placement, order on the screen in our brain.

Time is also a program. There are infintie space-time channels based on orbits around stars. Stars/projectors are input systems from BEYOND the universe.

I've been tinkering with this "stuff" for about 20 years now and all I've managed, is to attract and repel various bits of matter over a range of about 10cm or so, which I've demonstrated to various academics and to much indifference.

Anyway, the point I want to make is that there appears to be at least 2 types of gravity or putting it another way to get it back to one type, we only really know gravity from the way we interact with a planet. It may be that matter doesn't attract other matter at all, but that matter is attracted to areas of space and that the Earth formed around one of those areas. So, we are attracted to that area of space too and of course bump into the planet on the way. This therefore gives the belief that we are attracted to the planet. Just a thought.

Hyperdrive and all that looks really impossible because the model I've got means that we are each at the center of some sort of giant cosmic spider's web from which there is no out.

So I come on this site in the hope that someone will find proof of ftl travel (i.e. interstellar aliens) and prove me wrong.

Oh..Unity_99 is actually pretty close, the whole thig really looks like some sort of object oriented program and database.

Originally posted by copper5661
Have we really done this? Have we figured out how gravity works by our own ingenuity?

One does not require 'anti-gravity' That is a big mixup. Just like anti matter and matter cancel each other out (violently, so would anti gravity cancel out gravity...

All we need is gravity shielding

And is so what percentage of the human race have this knowledge?

Anyone who wants to look a t the documents on Gravity Shielding and Warp Drives at Los Alamos National Labs



Oh I suppose you want the linky too?

lanl.arxiv.org...

so the U.S.A. will be the dominant race of this Planet.

So what's wrong with that?

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Have we figured out how to master gravity and yet because of it's huge defensive capabilities, are the lowly massed to be left out of this important information so the U.S.A. will be the dominant race of this Planet.

First.
How can you master a natural force ?The minute you could it will no longer be natural.
IMO we can only adapt our technology to use gravity in a way it will benefit.

My understanding is that gravity, however small, still is a force to overcome.

Second
The US Americans are NOT! a race. They are a mix of all races.
We are all human.

Yeah 300 miles per second is totally way out.
Who said that.
Who said they would do it.
Yet people still talk about it.
Why.
Warp drive must exist if people talk about it is
my conclusion.
Do people talk about things that are unreal.
Never.
Or if someone invented it first or spoke of unreal
events then there can be a following that continues
the idea.
I think thats what we have with warp drive, that has a
real part and an unreal part.

I must point out to you that we have neither warp, nor hyper drives, so its not that suprising that we have failed to master gravity.
I would agree that the progress of science is not nearly fast enough for my liking. When I was ten I assumed (fairly in my opinion) that we would have been on Mars for ten years by this point in time, that we would have developed non rocket based launching methods, that we would have swapped to some form of energy propulsion for out of atmosphere navigation, and that we would have developed instant communcation methods. The chinese seem to have the basis of the instant telecoms segment of my expectations, but the rest of my hopes for science seem to have been dashed by reality.
I think part of the reason progress can seem so slow is because of the Atom bomb, and the nuclear power "revolution". People think that because we can create massive explosions , or power an entire region with nuclear science , that we have mastered the atom, a phrase well used, and absolutely arrogant. We have done no such thing. In reality we still have big questions over the atom. Like for instance, is there a way we could use the atom for power, without creating nuclear waste, having to bury or store it, and so on? Could we develop a way of using atomic power to drive space vehicles without irradiating large swathes of the planet, the solar system , and surrounding areas? When EVERY question is answered on that subject, only THEN will mastery be a reality.
With it firmly in mind that our atomic mastery is a lie, its alot easier to see why we havent even begun to scratch the surface of harnessing gravity for our own ends except in literaly the simplest terms possible. We can USE gravity , but until we can create and control it, I dont think we can say we have mastered, or even loosely leashed it.

Thanks to rbnhd76 for posting that link to the 'alien scientist' video. A remarkable presentation, and some remarkable claims. If the latter stand up to scrutiny, we are even closer to a star flight capability than I would have believed. If this is so, it would only make open extraterrestrial contact seem likelier and closer. If we are on the threshold of traveling to the stars, we are likely to be contacted by the local representative of the galactic union and acquainted with the facts of life and civilization in this region of space. Ross

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hi all
i would like to explain my new veiw we require a new understanding of space time gravity before we can see how anti would work
The local effect of space time by xploder
First let me prefeace this theory by saying that Einstein was a clever man
I believe his understanding of space time is accurate from the observers perspective
But if we view the solar system as a unit rather than individual elements of mass travelling in a constant feild of space there are some surprising theorys that spring to mind
1.space time is only relative to the unit we are looking at, local time = earth bound sea level time satalite time = time passes slower at higher earth orbits, solar time = the passage of time at the outer limit of our solar system and space time = the relative passage of time out side our solar system as compaired to the time measurement carried out on earth
Now if time slows down the further out you go relative to measurements on earth at what point does relative time stop progressing?
2.gravity time = gravity bends space and concentrates time to occour faster at the point of mass than further away so what if this space time relative time concentration is not just a local phenomenon but is cumulative to the mass of the solar unit as a whole.
3.the first aera to look at would be the galaxy as a whole, the super massive black hole at the centre of our galaxy twists up time and space to a point where the two forces are one and this creates a tugging force on the fabric of space “pulling “ fabric into a knot in the centre
4.the movement of the fabric of the space feild towards a centre drags energy toward the blackhole but induces energy in the opposite direction away from the movent of the fabric (like a ball on a sheet as the sheet is pulled the ball rolls in the opposite direction of the pull of the sheet) if done consistently the ball stays where it started but rolls on place on the sheet
5.a rolling ball is an analogy for the solar unit it is rotating a feild that produces a local feild effect in the solar unit, as space moves past the ball the induced energy collects in the momentum of rotation and this rotation allows for movement of a conductor in an energized field MASS
6.positive likes to find negative and cancel each other out so the energy created around the outside of the ball (solar unit) would try to disapate evenly within the ball (centre) and with energy coming from all directions to the centre it converges and attracts mass, the lighter elements are the first to be polerized towards the centre of the ball.
7.the constant frequency interaction of the energy converging sets off a sonoluminesence bubble in the centre of the lighter elements and the suns internal atoms start to contract towards the centre then in a state of flux they expand away from the centre like electro magnets with their poles switched north south north south, attraction and repulsion in a cycle that super heats the atoms and causes all of the wave forms that are expelled from the sun
8.the sun pours energy into the local solar unit and delivers a local feild similar to the one being collected by the black hole but instead of collecting the fabric its feeding the fabric out from the centre (the ball is caused to rotate towards the source the sun as the sheet travels under it. This sheet is travelling outwards in all directions and disapates just outside the solar unit
9. i imagine its like a small sheet with our planet on it with mass interacting locally coming from the sun ,on a larger sheet that that is less dense going to the centre of our galaxy
These are my new theories
I have been thinking about this for over three weeks with the help of ATS members and by reading some websites
Thanks for not flaming me

XPLodER

Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
My understanding is that gravity, however small, still is a force to overcome.

We 'overcome' gravity every time a plane takes off, albeit temporarily

We overcome gravity every time we send a space ship out of the solar system

Originally posted by TrueBritLike for instance, is there a way we could use the atom for power, without creating nuclear waste, having to bury or store it, and so on? Could we develop a way of using atomic power to drive space vehicles without irradiating large swathes of the planet, the solar system , and surrounding areas? When EVERY question is answered on that subject, only THEN will mastery be a reality.

Yep HE3 fusion

Levitated Dipole Fusion Confinement



An MIT project

Is not gravity directly related to matter ??

The more matter present the more gravity it produces, ... or is present i should say. This doesnt have to do with size, but more density. So if this is the case, every material object produces gravity, it is just very, very weak. Only when enough matter is clumped toghether " planets" " black holes". does gravity become noticeable.

... so how can gravity be produced you ask ??? I have a theory about this, yet ill save it for a thread of its own.

Originally posted by IntastellaBurst


Is not gravity directly related to matter ??

The more matter present the more gravity it produces, ... or is present i should say. This doesnt have to do with size, but more density. So if this is the case, every material object produces gravity, it is just very, very weak. Only when enough matter is clumped toghether " planets" " black holes". does gravity become noticeable.

... so how can gravity be produced you ask ??? I have a theory about this, yet ill save it for a thread of its own.

Good points we can't tell as that might get too close to ether theory.
We do use the force between masses as being directly related to the product of the masses.
But is the force due to the make up of the masses.
Perhaps being atomic charge activity in particular.
The mass force equation that thus determines the gravity g accelertaion
in distance per second per second needs a constant modification as the
mass product does not give the exact measurements.
The constant may have been determined to be related to atomic variables
but I can't recall right now.

an interesting read here.....

www.esa.int...

This universe is a simulated, holographic, technology, school. It has pixels, that the projectors/stars, erect into a shared image on the screen in our minds. There is only energy streams here. Our senses input them, they are organized by the GRAVITY program for placement, order on the screen in our brain.

Time is also a program. There are infintie space-time channels based on orbits around stars. Stars/projectors are input systems from BEYOND the universe.

I'd like to request an upgrade to MyLife, version 2.0, where I'm a billionaire please. Who do I see about that?

Not buying that "we're in the Matrix" idea...

With all the bad ideas floating around for no good reason you wonder
why society has given up on the right reasons.
More money to be made on more TV channels for more reality shows
that are not reality will only bring on boredom and disillusionment to
the recipient.
Yeah warp this, but to understand how to go 300 miles per second
as one inventor suggested can't be told.
Most likely by the same people funding all the unreality TV.