War games in India 'show up US'

War games in India 'show up US'
By Nick Childs
BBC Pentagon correspondent
Last Updated: Thursday, 24 June, 2004, 01:20 GMT 02:20 UK



US military policy relies on air power
The success of India's air force against US fighters in an exercise suggests the US may be losing its air superiority, a US general has said
Gen Hal Hornburg said an exercise in February, known as Cope India, had been "a wake-up call".

The mock air battles in central India had pitted US F-15s against advanced Russian-designed Sukhoi SU-30s.

General Hornburg said the results show the US may not be as far ahead of the rest of the world as it had thought.

Cold War mentality

Of course, it suits the US Air Force at the moment to argue that it needs to invest more in air power, as it tries to get funding for advanced new planes like the next generation of stealth fighters, the F/A-22 and F-35.

Some analysts, and some members of Congress, argue that the air force is stuck in a Cold War mentality, and is pressing for planes that it does not really need.

But establishing air superiority and air dominance is key to US strategy and many in the air force have argued that there are still many more sophisticated potential adversaries out there than Iraq and Afghanistan.

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These my plane is better than your plane threads are pointless. If it shoots artillary and missles out of the sky every 5 seconds...
here is one of many links found on google about what is what in air superiority.

www.spacedaily.com...

Think about it. This is the Humvee version, and it is allready deployed in many places.

Look the Isreali's won an excercise also but when the facts came out, it was not such a big win for them. The ROE heavily favored the Isreali;s as I bet it did the Indians. Not saying they are bad pilots, far from it. Air Forces Monthly had an article on them and was giving praise at just how good they are condiering the amount fo training they get (very little). Before one jumps and screams, lets look at this.....The F-15C w/ Amraams is VERY comparable with SU-30's with AA-10/12's. Even if they were flying the same plane it comes down to the pilots, it always will. USAF pilots are damn good, maybe one day they could fly with USN pilots even, but in this regard I believe that the ROE were limited to NO AWAC support, NO BVM emgaugements. That is how the Isreali's smoked us. See USAF are not taught as much close in fighting as they should. Some are lucky and get to RED FLAG, but that is just a small number.


As an example, let the RED FLAG instructors fly against these Indian SU-30's in NEvada with F-5's and you would be surprised with the results..


All of this of course is IMO only.............

Cheers...........



PS. Let the Indians land one of them SU-30's on a carrier! Big time difference than a Sea Harrier......

mods delete this thread this topic has been started about 5-6 times its overkill