Mexican Government Proves to be Supreme Hypocrite

They have used a wall of thorns that was much more of a deterrent than a metal wall will ever be. We in America have used a wall of water in which many have drowned.

reply to post by inivux


Correction. it is a top tier "3rd world" Developing country. that is bordering on "2nd world. it similar levels of development to some eastern European countries.

Just to dismiss out of hand is misguided

reply to post by JakiusFogg

I appreciate the correction. That sounds more in line with what it is.

But I don't ever remember it being this bad; to say it is "developing" is a gross misnomer. Instead, it appears to be falling apart at the seams.

But all of this is in a larger scope than the subject of the article, and might even be beside the point, which was my mistake.

reply to post by FiatLux


Ahhh right, look. I am not telling my perspective on this, only what I have seen. The feeling seems to blow hot and cold with you guys.

Secondly I think you will find that nowhere in my post did I advocate an open border between the US and Mexico. But just in case I will check........... nope didn't.

My point which you spectacularly failed to grasp whilst intent on putting words into my mouth was simple.

The government of Mexico proposes to build a secure border to the south (just as the US has previosly proposed for it's border. The reason being to try to stem the flow of the drug trade routes, and other immigrants from central and south America. the result of which would in turn help take the pressure off the Northern border.

Now I guess what you advocate is that they also build a wall to the north to keep people in?? Last time i saw any government building wall to keep people in was East Germany! in the same vien the only govs that stop people leaving are communist ones. So short of Mexico becoming a communist dictatorship, it is hard pressed to stop people leaving.

In turn should it not be the responsibility of the US Gov to secure and protect it's own border?

As an immigrant myself (to Mexico) I fully advocate the rights of people to immigrate to wherever they want, all be it legally. I do not believe that Illegal immigration is a good thing, and should be discouraged and punished, but in turn any country that also believes in fair immigration, should not be exclusive in it's policies and procedures. So you are wrong in your assumption there.

if anything the US should take a leaf from Mexico's stance, grew some cojones, and enforce it's border properly. This would in turn benefit Mexico also as well as the US, as it would be further deterrent in addition to the southern Mex border, that could deter the drug routes.

As for the last part, well I have this from sources within the political establishment here, currently the PAN is refusing ingress from the US elites, however some names been bandied around are known in close circles to be out and out puppet men of (as was told to me) the Masons, However, I fully doubt that it is as simple as that, and what we are talking really the oligarchy.

but basically if Mexico will go ahead with this plan, then basically credit should be given where credit is due, by doing proactive in its approach to its problems, instead of being politically motivated, and wishy washy on the subject like it's neighbour to the north.

reply to post by inivux


Answer me this please.

When you say it is falling apart at the seams, where are you getting you perspective. From my perspective, the place is developing, massively and rapidly. There are some parts of my city now where you could be in any city in Europe or the US, such is the level of cosmopolitan - ism (?) hehe

Just an example, the park outside my house has recently just had a brand new kids play ground into what was before rapidly becoming wasteland.

OK the Border cities are really bad, due to the ongoing war with the cartels. But look at it this way, should the Gob Fed really just sit back and give these guys a free reign. The violence that has flared up is a direct result of this action against them. But by no means is this standard all across the country, i.e running gun battles if every town and city that is just the way the MSM protray it. I know it used to be really easy for you guys just to drive over to Tijuana or Juarez for the weekend, get some cheap tequila and take in a donkey show or two. But maybe it's time to perhaps jump on a flight, come a little further inland, and see what Mexico is actually all about. I mean there is a massive US expat population down here, mainly old people, so can it all be really that bad!

No it's not perfect, nowhere is (well maybe Singapore). But socially it is getting better, I just hope it continues, and the PRI don't mess it up.

Have to agree with some of the previous posters here...though I feel sick for it. If our Gov. Wasn't seeking to promote the NAU and chewing on its own hand maybe they could grow some and protect the people. I mean go Mexico, why not, get a big loan from the US to build a wall, make a couple people exceedingly rich...the American dream. Talk about some big ones I mean to speak out one day and then take the money to do virtually the same thing the next. Barf!!! Now if we stopped this ridiculous drug war, took the DEA agents and put them on the border, along with the thousands of extra IRS workers required by obamacare_ borders would be secure. Problem solved.


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We are funding this because the elite drew an artificial line on the map and decided that America, Mexico and America are part of the North American union whether you like it or not. So the elite are allowing the North American Union to defend its borders, but it's not allowed for America, a mere outdated idea, to defend its borders.

reply to post by SevenThunders


One question.

Where does it say that this is being funded by the US Government?? It's not. Izt was confirmed by a Mexican gov rep, as an action to be done by Mexico. end of.

That's how dis-info starts

reply to post by JakiusFogg


I have One question for you. That country you like so much, Mexico isn't it?
Do you think they are so stupid as to not use the fund giving to them in 2010 alone, the United States has given $450 million to Mexico. So, you're telling me, The Mexican Government is using it's own money to build this fence. You Believe That?

The United States has provided Mexico with some of the funding to help build the fence on Mexico’s border, by way of the Merida Initiative. The State Department calls the Initiative a demonstration of “the United States’ commitment to partner with government in Mexico and of-course other South American Counties.

You know What, I don't think the United States Needs To Be The Nanny Country For The World. Take Care Of Your Own.

I think that this has been talked about for the past 10 years.
It is just a part of building the north American union.

It is not hypocrite if you see it for what they are doing.

Mexico builds a southern wall. United states opens its borders refuses to enforce immigration law. Prosecute states that intend to enforce illegal immigration violators. Subsidizes illegal alien migrations to the southern states.

Typically most Mexican nationals support anti Constitution policies. Come from dictatorships.
Most vote against second amendment rights.


You better believe if these Mexicans were coming to the U.S. and supported the Constitution they would be on the next bus out of here and on a terror watch list.

Point is. There is no room for hypocrites in war the word does not exist. They are simply lying to you. Its an invasion plain and simple and it is being allowed by those you elected.

reply to post by guohua


Oh it's only a racist ugly BS thing when it's the USA trying to prevent them from coming here. When it comes to themselves, does this not prove they think they are "special cases" and should recieve special treatment? Does this not prove they feel entitled to our way of life, however, nobody else is??? Beside those central americans aren't crossing to live in their s**** A*** country it just happens to be a way to get into America, And the mexicans feel they're the only ones entitled to immigrate illegally here. This much is obvious...

To this POS I say if you do it at the south end, You Best Damn do another wall between Mexico and America and keep your stupid A** people inside those WALLS!!!!

this is simply outrageous its just outrageous

it will be just as effective as the northern mexico/us border

1.4 billion dollars for a fence that will not even work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

humans rights trash he spewed in this country and doing the same things !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HERES a thought mexico BUILD YOUR OWN DAMN FENCE better yet go to all your drug dealers and ask for a bailout!

try those apples on for size.

Originally posted by JakiusFogg
reply to post by FiatLux

 

Ahhh right, look. I am not telling my perspective on this, only what I have seen. The feeling seems to blow hot and cold with you guys.

You guys, or just me, beings your statement is directed at me? Not telling your perspective on this? Yeah, right, whatever.

Secondly I think you will find that nowhere in my post did I advocate an open border between the US and Mexico. But just in case I will check........... nope didn't.

Well then, you shouldn`t mind me saying, that we need to either put up a full fence, or a full wall then, right?

My point which you spectacularly failed to grasp whilst intent on putting words into my mouth was simple.

Nope, I didn`t fail to grasp it at all.

The government of Mexico proposes to build a secure border to the south (just as the US has previosly proposed for it's border. The reason being to try to stem the flow of the drug trade routes, and other immigrants from central and south America. the result of which would in turn help take the pressure off the Northern border.

Looks like your the one failing to grasp what`s being said here. Just how is building a wall or fence on Mexicos Southern border, going to stop their jobless citizens from coming here? And it`s going to stop the drug flow coming into the U.S. from Mexico how? By the way, I wasn`t putting words into your mouth.

Now I guess what you advocate is that they also build a wall to the north to keep people in??

And you ask for what reason? Remember what you stated above? Your not advocating an open border either. Or, did you now change your mind just to have a reason to argue with me? You don`t advocate an open border, yet when someone else feels the same way, you want to argue with them about it? Double standard?

Last time i saw any government building wall to keep people in was East Germany! in the same vien the only govs that stop people leaving are communist ones. So short of Mexico becoming a communist dictatorship, it is hard pressed to stop people leaving.

Hard pressed to stop them leaving? Like their even trying to? What a joke. There is a big difference between the wall in Germany, and a wall on the Southern border of the U.S., that being, the one in Germany was to stop the Communists from going to a free West, the one on the Southern U.S. is to stop illegals and drug cartels from going North breaking U.S. laws.

In turn should it not be the responsibility of the US Gov to secure and protect it's own border?

Why are you asking me this? When I`ve been for this, plus the fact, that the government keeps sending the tax payers money to the Mexican government instead of spending it to beef up the U.S. Southern border.

As an immigrant myself (to Mexico) I fully advocate the rights of people to immigrate to wherever they want, all be it legally. I do not believe that Illegal immigration is a good thing, and should be discouraged and punished, but in turn any country that also believes in fair immigration, should not be exclusive in it's policies and procedures. So you are wrong in your assumption there.

Please quote me where I am wrong. And they are exclusive in what way? So, people should not be checked out to see if they have broken any laws in their own country first? Or is that being to exclusive in your opinion?

if anything the US should take a leaf from Mexico's stance, grew some cojones, and enforce it's border properly. This would in turn benefit Mexico also as well as the US, as it would be further deterrent in addition to the southern Mex border, that could deter the drug routes.

Let`s see, you argue with me because i`m for being like that, yet, you say we need to be like that. I don`t believe you really know what you want, or you are just out to pick a fight with me. If so, you need to back it off.

As for the last part, well I have this from sources within the political establishment here, currently the PAN is refusing ingress from the US elites, however some names been bandied around are known in close circles to be out and out puppet men of (as was told to me) the Masons, However, I fully doubt that it is as simple as that, and what we are talking really the oligarchy.

There are puppet men on both sides of the border. Tell us something we don`t already know. They think the tax payers money is theirs free rein to do with as they please without asking.

but basically if Mexico will go ahead with this plan, then basically credit should be given where credit is due, by doing proactive in its approach to its problems, instead of being politically motivated, and wishy washy on the subject like it's neighbour to the north.

Both sides are wishy washy, and corrupt to a point.

reply to post by JakiusFogg
That is a really good point.

I have to admit that my opinion on Mexico is really just based on the MSM's reporting on the cartel world, and my own experiences in TJ and Baja. I would like to think that the rest of Mexico is a little more "refined", just as DF appears to be, but I just feel like the cartels have saturated every place where Anglos, aka "gringos" (American or otherwise), live.

As a white American myself, I don't think I would step foot in any part of Mexico right now. Cabo isn't even safe, and that's 500+ miles from the border. And yet, I once in a while hear advertising for a place called San Luis Potosi; it sounds like a beautiful, quaint place, free from the cartels. But that very advertisement seems like it is being completely biased (read: brainwashing), and not even pretending to address the cartel issue.

As rude as I was in the original post, I still don't know if I trust Mexico enough to ever want to be there.

We need to protect our boarders and culture this can not continue.