Hundreds of Bibles Burned in Iran

reply to post by ThichHeaded


Hey, nevermind the whole google thing anyway ok. You seemed upset about it and I wanted to help you understand. However I just tried it myself and either you are lying or do not know how to use google very well. I think you capitalized Koran and got upset that it stayed that way. It is one thing to go off topic now and then but to do it with a lame lie like that? Poor show.

Originally posted by Soldier of God
reply to post by Blaine91555

 

Yeah but he makes a good point, why don't you hear "moderate" muslim imams condeming this act??
I'll tell you why... there aren't any.

Or maybe because no one has seen this on FOX news, MSM and other BS news sources in their front page, in their discussions, making it a world headline.

Maybe you should talk to Obama.. Ohh dang, you can't, can you talk to Obama? The person who is suppose to represent you? Ofcourse you can't, because he only talks to the corporations

Originally posted by Curiousisall

Originally posted by Soldier of God
reply to post by Blaine91555

 

Yeah but he makes a good point, why don't you hear "moderate" muslim imams condeming this act??
I'll tell you why... there aren't any.

Where should we be hearing them? How many have you asked? How many has FOX News booked? Where is the official moderate Imam announcement center?

The nearest liberal announcement center or CNN.

Originally posted by Soldier of God
The nearest liberal announcement center or CNN.

What is a liberal announcement center? Where would I find one? If I even have to ask, how good are they at getting messages out?
CNN has exclusive access to moderate Imams? When do they regularly feature them? When can I see this for myself?
Or are you just blowing me off with lame jokes because the truth is you have no idea why you think you should be hearing from these people?
Just be honest. It makes for a more productive conversation.

I tell you what I'd like to see, to put and end to this nonsensical meaningless bullshirt,
I'd like to see a well known muslim, and a well known christian start a fire on television and each of them toss their own well known troublemaking rule books into the flames and proclaim it was a nice theory while it lasted but it's time to put the real world with real needs at the forefront and stop killing eachother over speculative positions.
The Torah, the Quran, the Bible are all used as excuse books in the end for justification of selfishness, uncooperative, killing behaviors.
Hypocritical abominations and strategic use of text.
It's pretty amazing how religious association can lead to labeling and blame for all the worlds ills yet be so clung to, repeatedly throughout history.
The program to vilify muslims seems to be right on track, all we need next are arm bands and camps.
The music plays, and we dance the dance, pathetic.

Originally posted by snusfanatic
reply to post by Blaine91555

 

of course they were, and there aren't mobs in the street here, death threats or calls to holy war, because we're not a 7th century style, dirty, uneducated, backward warlord theocracy. western pluralism ftw!

Neither is most of the Muslim world. We must start looking beyond meaningless cultural differences with the people of the Middle East and they must do the same in regards to our culture. Only respect of each other will lead to the desired end. Joining in the hate only adds fuel.

I interact with with Muslims often, even the man who owns the Print Shop I use for my business is Muslim. We are very good friends. He could care less that I'm a Christian. I've made friends recently from both Ethiopia and the Sudan and they have no issue's either.

The issue is that the Muslim Community as a whole needs to take action themselves. When that happens, we need to let it happen.

In this PC world, we have forgotten how to communicate and many of my fellow Christians have forgotten how to act as a Christian.

Originally posted by HappilyEverAfter
I tell you what I'd like to see, to put and end to this nonsensical meaningless bullshirt,
I'd like to see a well known muslim, and a well known christian start a fire on television and each of them toss their own well known troublemaking rule books into the flames

Up to that point a good idea. Only after that when your hatred surfaced did you go astray. Hatred from the anti-Religion crowd is just as wrong and just as childish.

Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by HappilyEverAfter
I tell you what I'd like to see, to put and end to this nonsensical meaningless bullshirt,
I'd like to see a well known muslim, and a well known christian start a fire on television and each of them toss their own well known troublemaking rule books into the flames

Up to that point a good idea. Only after that when your hatred surfaced did you go astray. Hatred from the anti-Religion crowd is just as wrong and just as childish.

You concluded too quickly, I'm very much the gentle loving spiritual man, there isnt one bit of hatred in there, but I will not deny there is disgust, and frustration.
What you did, is what happens on a mass scale throughout the world, assumption, and then positions are drawn and then defended, and an escalation occurs and then communication is gone and whaa-la presto changeo you've got yourself another conflict.
Needs my friend, needs that are met, not postions that are kept, will end the conflicts created by these ancient limited editted books of warring positions.

Originally posted by Soldier of God
reply to post by Blaine91555

 

Yeah but he makes a good point, why don't you hear "moderate" muslim imams condeming this act??
I'll tell you why... there aren't any.

How often do you get up in Church and condemn Abortion Clinic Bombers? Never seen a christian do that, so bombing abortion clinics is all right with christians, amirite?

reply to post by Agit8dChop


You seem to get the point of where I wanted this thread to go. It is all insane and to stop it, we must start talking to each other, instead of at each other.

Those were Bibles by the way and there are other sources. That was not the reason for my starting this. It was to make the point of how senseless tit for tat is.

As I said, I'm a Christian and I'll provide a Bible for somebody to burn if it pleases them, I can buy another. It is how I was raised and how I believe it should be. Their is no reason I can find for Christians and Muslims not to get along built into our religions. Neither should it be a problem for Atheists or any other group to get along.

The extremists use their Religion as a cover. To cover up the fact the violence comes from them personally and some societies allow them to come together and form into groups, which works out badly for everyone. It is in the Muslims societies best interest to wake up and react to them as if they were criminals, which they are.

I think most of the Human Race are peaceful at heart and yet we the majority, allow this violent minority to control much of our lives. Until we learn that lesson, we can't move on. Religion is not the cause; bad people withing Religions are the cause.

My Religion requires two things of me and only two. Love God and Love My Fellow Human Beings. If I do that, I can do no wrong and yet bad people find fault with that. Why?

Religions come in all forms. Some worship at the alter of Socialism, Capitalism, Communism, Atheism, Color of their skin and any other garb they can put on to justify the simple fact they are just bad people who hate others who are different.

reply to post by Blaine91555


Let's talk with each other:

Why would Muslims burn the Bible?

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by Blaine91555

 

Let's talk with each other:

Why would Muslims burn the Bible?

Some excuses/reasons;
Threatened reaction, fear, misunderstanding, conditioning, acceptance by the majority, peer pressure, monkey see monkey do, justification of hatred and bad behavior.

to add, the same reasons wouldapply for quran burning etc.

reply to post by oozyism


Hi Oozy,

We have debated before and I know you are as opposed to violence as I am. I'm sure there are many Moderate Muslims and I know a few myself. What needs to happen though is not for the Imams to speak out, but for all Muslims to speak out against Terrorism and violence committed in the name of Islam. Unfortunately the bad guys always seem to come into positions of power and leadership.

If the world was as it should and could be, the bad among us would flee to hide in dark places where they belong. They exist in all societies and rule some if not most. Even so, We the People are who they fear most.

reply to post by HappilyEverAfter

Threatened reaction, fear, misunderstanding, conditioning, acceptance by the majority, peer pressure, monkey see monkey do, justification of hatred and bad behavior.

From what I know, all Muslims believe the Bible is also the word of GOD, at least partially, hence they/we believe the Bible is partially written by men.

So if they Burn the Bible, it is exactly the same as Burning the Quran.

Doesn't make sense to me.

I have many Bibles in my house, which I read, got the King James version, got the new testament, the ones New Zealand army hands out, when you go train with them etc.

reply to post by oozyism

Okay, I agree it doesnt make sense, but that's pretty much a given, it's just like dumping gas on a fire.
Whats your thoughts?

reply to post by Blaine91555


The idea that they should speak out against terrorism which is done in the name of Islam. That is what I don't get, the religious imams don't see it that way, they see the truth, they don't see the BS the media spreads heavily in its territories.

LINK


Watch the above video.

Now the above being laid in front of the table to be argued on, let's continue.

The imams do not need to condemn these acts, and protest against them, because they are clearly against Islam. The same way the you don't see Westerners protesting against Rape, because Rape is clearly against Western laws and Western ideology.

Anyone who opens the Quran and reads it, sees that terrorism is against Islam. Muslims commit these atrocities, I accept that, but they don't do it because Islam told them to, they do it because of anger, hence anger distorts your judgement. They use Islam to empower them, because they are the weak who can't express themselves in any other means, but terrorism. Let's not forget, that the person behind the ideological belief of Al-Qaeda was a moderate who believe the Middle Eastern countries should have Democracy. That is exactly what he believe, until he was torture in to extremism by Western puppets in Egypt. He was a good man, he even visited the US, and studied in the US, but let's be honest, if you put people in a position where they can't express themselves in any mean, but violence, then they will pursue violence. So the imams see this as a political issue, not a religious issue. The Quran already condemn these people.

Originally posted by HappilyEverAfter
reply to post by oozyism

 

Okay, I agree it doesnt make sense, but that's pretty much a given, it's just like dumping gas on a fire.
Whats your thoughts?

If it is true, and not propaganda, then those who did it, are a bunch of hypocrites who deserve PIMP slaps

I think if the matter is put forward to the authorities in Iran, you can guarantee them being prosecuted under the law. I think they have a law which states that if you stir trouble within the society intentionally, you will be punished, I don't know the punishment though.

the bible burning story in the media about the quran was just to stir hatred and division, the media do it all the time with lots of different stories, they enjoy poking people with sticks to get reactions, i thought at the time it did not really matter, and i think the same about this, the media got the reaction they wanted, lots of angry people in the middle east (a bit stupid when your fighting wars over there, but...), and here we are discussing the outcome. which will lead to more hatred and division but on a lower scale unless the media pick up the story.

reply to post by oozyism


They may not HAVE TO speak out, but they should. What I'm saying is that all Muslims should speak out against this insane violence not just the Imams. The leaders of any group of people or government tend to be the worst of the lot when it comes to bad intentions. Power always corrupts and it surely is the same no matter what government or religion is involved. Part of the process of healing is realizing that, because the alternative is that what people are saying is true. Muslims really are supporting Terrorism and I don't think that is true. It's not up to anyone else but the Muslims to speak the truth about themselves as only they know.

In my own Faith in our own dark past; corrupt and evil leaders pretending to be Christians caused all the evil and suffering. Just because someone wears the hat of leadership does not mean they are leaders. Many are just slave masters who wrongly use peoples Faith to control them and make them do their evil acts for them.

reply to post by oozyism


Oozy, you are still left with the fact that the Iranian Government funds and supports Terrorist Groups, as well as providing them weapons. There is plenty of guilt to go around. I highly doubt that supporting a group who's charter includes Genocide is part of the Muslim Faith. Hamas wrote the Charter, nobody else did.