Being Gay isnt natural

It confuses me when people talk about Humans as animals yet speak of humanity. Im not bashing, I just think Humanity is exactly the thing that sets us apart from animals. Even if you consider us animals think of it this way, mother nature wants to examine every possible avenue. One of those seems to be homosexuality. And If you consider us more then mere animals then a simple choice is the answer. I think its beautiful that, as a human, I can simply choose to go against nature or instinct. Free will.

reply to post by Haydn_17


Fair enough on the sociology topic, but this.....

"Move along"?

The Op from that thread also said this:

"I appreciate an authoritative approach to an argument, but am offended by authoritarian arrogance."

You should keep that in mind when you tell other people what to do.

My core objective in life is not to simply reproduce. It is to learn. To love and develop an understanding of the Universe around me. It has nothing to do with my sexuality in fact.

Some straight people choose not to reproduce. Are you saying their existence is pointless? Some straight people are born without the ability to reproduce, should they simply be shipped off the planet?

If you're a mature human being, you don't look at people as gay and straight, you see them as people. All unique, all special. Some people are born with the ability to have heterosexual intercourse and make babies, some aren't. Whether it's physical, emotional or otherwise, it shouldn't be of so much concern to you.

If you can make heterosexual babies and that is your self-proclaimed purpose in life, then do it! Do it well, and stop worrying about what other people do. You don't have their life, you don't have their brain, you don't have their upbringing, you don't have their feelings, you don't have the right to judge.

Originally posted by Intelearthling
All I have to say is that something is very wrong when a man chooses a hairy [censored] over the soft and smooth body of a female.

Choice you say? Not a very intelligent one when a woman is the most precious gift a man can have.

If women are so much better to be with than men, why aren't all women lesbians?

I guess it couldn't be because some people just naturally find men sexually attractive, could it?

Originally posted by StrangeTimez
It confuses me when people talk about Humans as animals yet speak of humanity. Im not bashing, I just think Humanity is exactly the thing that sets us apart from animals. Even if you consider us animals think of it this way, mother nature wants to examine every possible avenue. One of those seems to be homosexuality. And If you consider us more then mere animals then a simple choice is the answer. I think its beautiful that, as a human, I can simply choose to go against nature or instinct. Free will.

Plenty of gay men have chosen to act out a heterosexual role over the years, marrying a woman and pretending, for as long as they could keep up the act, to be attracted to her.
- while the puzzled woman's heart breaks and her self-esteem drops to zero.
Yeah, a great way to live.

You can exercise choice. You can choose not to mate with women even though you are attracted to them.
- Not that such chastity often lasts any longer than the average diet ...

But you cannot choose to be attracted to other men, and get a hard on from seeing Brad Pitt, UNLESS YOU ARE GAY, BI OR FEMALE!

Do you really believe gays should deny themselves loving relationships, and choose a life of chastity, just to cater to a bunch of homophobes or to rules written in an ancient book about a homicidal deity?

get real ...

Originally posted by Unst0ppable0ne
NOBODY IS BORN HOMOSEXUAL.

Everybody is born neutral, having no opinion about any sex. Your opinion is formed subconsciously via life experiences as you grow older. You need to first have some type of input to make your choice. You don't know if you are homosexual until you compare the input. Whatever resonates with you best is what you choose. What resonates with you is not decided genetically, it is decided by other opinions you hold subconsciously.

Just like nobody is born to like or dislike a certain food. You are neutral with no opinion until you form some type of opinion as you grow older with experience. You need to smell, or taste, or see, or feel the food before you make your opinion. The opinion you choose is determined by other opinions that you previously held about other stimuli.

Just like nobody is born to like or dislike a certain color. You are neutral with no opinion until you form some type of opinion from experience. You need to see all colors first, and you make your opinion. Your choice is determined by other opinions like how the color makes you feel, or what you think of when you see it, and what you relate it to, etc.

Yes, genetics plays an important role in the formation of your subconscious opinions, but they don't decide things for you. Blaming it on genetics is a cop-out. You are born neutral.

An eminent psychiatrist believed that. So when a newborn accidentally had his penis amputated during circumcision, he and the babies parents raised the child as a girl, making sure "Brenda" never knew she had been born a boy. This manipulation, to make him something he wasn't, destroyed the child, and now he is dead through suicide.

Don't watch the video, you might learn something.

Psychology – “Dr. Money and the boy with no Penis”
video.google.com...#

Google Video Link

I’m a little confused by the OP’s hypothesis on homosexuality versus procreation and how this equates to being 'unnatural'. Even if all humans were strictly same sex orientated there is very little reason to believe we would become extinct. There could possibly be less pregnancy but then there could also be more as humans would still have the capacity to procreate under whatever conditions a fully gay society creates. If the OP had said ‘If all hedgehogs were gay; they would become extinct’ then I might understand a little more as hedgehogs have less social awareness on a wider scale than we do and no technology to adapt to a different paradigm at a rapid rate but even then, being gay certainly does not mean animals would lose their child nurturing instinct or the ability to create another life and neither would humans on that note. To make such a wild hypothesis as the OP has done would require a massive amount of research into the social understanding of our procreation agenda, technology, and a much more modern philosophy than the OP has shown. I have read some fantastic posts and it’s the different perceptions that keep me coming back however the OP’s thread is something more akin to pub banter at its most uneducated level. Sorry if that seems to be name-calling, it is not intended as that, I have nothing against the OP, but this thread is open for discussion as it’s on a public domain and we are fortunate enough to be brutally honest especially when a post lacks any proper research or intellectual stimuli.

reply to post by Haydn_17


Airplanes and kidney transplants aren't natural either - let's stop those too.

reply to post by 12m8keall2c


yea but you did reply to him/her, an individual lol. Alright it's pointless and i'm just nitpicking. I completely agree with what your saying, and i'm sure that you didn't intend to insult anyone.

OP you never answered my question (along with alot of other questions i asked), why are animals gay then? Please explain to me how animals make the concious decision to be gay. I'll be waiting oh so enlightened one.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
OK so I hope this isn't to racy, if you are a lesbian why do you still use the simulated male organ?

Where are you getting your information on lesbians from?
Those porn videos are mostly straight girls who'll do anything for money.
They're bonking for the viewer, not for each other.

I've had a lesbian relationship and known a large number of lesbians.
I've never yet known one to use a strap-on, and a lot of heterosexual couples play with dildos.

Perhaps if you experimented more yourself, (with toys,) you might spend less time wondering about the things you imagine other people are doing.

To add to your question: Why do Gay men start acting like women when they turn Gay? and why do Gay women retain their feminine qualities?

Originally posted by Bilw85
To add to your question: Why do Gay men start acting like women when they turn Gay? and why do Gay women retain their feminine qualities?

There are alot of gay men who are fully masculine, and alot of lesbian women who are masculine. You can't only bring up half the equation.

Originally posted by Haydn_17


Being Gay is against Humanity and Nature, our core objective as a species is to reproduce, to keep our species alive, there is no such thing as an immortal organism.

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I just wanted to target this one statement. The Turritopsis Nutricula is an immortal organisim.

I have read the first and last page of this topic so what I am about to say may have been said many times over. The OP was inflammatory for sure, and I don't buy any mock trying to understand it. OK, maybe some people are, to be blunt, that stupid as to call someone unnatural because they are born with an attraction to the same sex, yet the only natural course of sexual relations therefore is vaginal sex. Oral sex therefore unnatural. Masturbation is therefore unnatural. The only natural sex is vaginal, for procreation. The only reason then for sexual relations is to reproduce. The only reason to love and marry is to reproduce. Some poster even ventured something about the prostate gland making people gay. It is hard to believe it is 2010. Let's be honest, one persons sexuality in no way makes a difference to another's. We are what we are. Understanding the reasons is pretty much moot really. Sure, you can use frankly silly religious reasons. Again, let's be honest, you can use religion to fit any dumb prejudice you like.

I am gay. I was born gay, I am a guy who likes guys. So what? As a male I like sex. That's called being a guy, nothing to do with my sexuality. That does not however define me. If the OP wants to “understand” then I suggest they grow up and re-post in 20 years when they have reached suitable maturity.

Originally posted by BenReclused

Hi again Hefficide.

Hi again BenReclused. I've held back from responding to this post because I thought the mods might remove it. Since they haven't I assume it's all within T&C and will respond.

Originally posted by BenReclused

I like to, at least try, to put "principles before personallity". Some people make this entirely impossible for me. You are one of them.

If by "try" you mean that you find offense, where none was offered, and then run off on immature tangents which have little or nothing to do with debate.Then, yes, you did "try". I commend you for your dedication to your morals.

Originally posted by BenReclused

Sex is the act, or action, that produces or brings into being offspring.
Therefore: Procreation IS A FUNCTION of sex!

I find it interesting that you densely restate what you stated, then I agreed with. You do realize that your caps lock key is just that, and not a magical device which automatically makes you correct, much less morally superior.

Originally posted by BenReclused

I never said you were wrong! But..., I DO NOW! Quite honestly, I don't give a # what you think.

You are more than welcome to point out what you specifically think I am wrong about. Oh and your post does read much more colorfully when replying - and seeing what you wrote before the censor software deleted. I admire your grasp of the language and your ability to communicate. Again, kudos.

Originally posted by BenReclused

A debate is not a compitition??? Are you really that dense? You must be kidding me!

I find it quite difficult to understand how you see anything I said to you, in either post, as either debate or competition. Using ones big boy words is just a way of communicating. The one lucid point that I thought you managed to make, I agreed with - only adding a thought or two of my own to it.

Originally posted by BenReclused

I only meant to post a thought, but I reckon you were right. I did indeed post a statement too. As in: "I don't have a horse in this race."

My goodness you ARE observant!!! Well big titty hoo ha to you big boy (or girl, or gay, or..., well, #..., I JUST DON'T CARE!!!)! I hope you finally pick up on that. I seems my IMPLICATION was waaayyy... over your head.

I can almost utterly assure you that anything you manage to string together will most certainly not be over my head. I'm kind of bright that way.

Originally posted by BenReclused

Are you familiar with the term?:
"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance..., baffle them with bull#!"

And here's another... Profanity is the repose of the uneducated. And, all in all, Ben, who is the one here seeking to distract from substance?

Originally posted by BenReclused

Here's a question to match your level of intelligence (very simple).:

Which one do I think you are guilty of?

And this has relevance to this, or any other discussion, how? You'll have to do better than these base insults if you want to impress most of the people on ATS. We're all bright that way.

Originally posted by BenReclused

The only reason I posted the above is because you ripped my post apart and intentionally made it appear to STATE something that, clearly, was NOT MY STATEMENT. Kindly..., don't do it again!

If you felt I misquoted, misrepresented, or misunderstood anything you wrote, you had the remedy of simply saying so. The method of communication you seem to be resorting to here is not optimal for letting others know what you think or how you feel.

Originally posted by BenReclused

Looking forward to your response,
See ya, Milt

Note to mods.: I am truly sorry if I have crossed any bounds. Please don't ban me, I love this website!

And now you have it, Ben.

Originally posted by BenReclused

PS back to Hefficide:
I'm curious: Do you have SFB?

Do enlighten me please, what does SFB stand for?

Okay, so I wasn't going to make a post on this thread, until I saw it go to the top of the list, but then when I tried, the moderators shut the thread down for a time? Sigh...so anyway, the original argument some 29 pages ago was something along the lines of gay is unnatural because reproduction is necessary. I agree, but does that mean bisexuality is natural since you can still reproduce? Just a thought, not that I'm bi or anything, but if someone was going to be tri-curious, as in they'll try anything once, you might as well be bisexual as opposed to homosexual since you have a 50 % more of a chance to find someone you like/love, rather than betting on only one gender of the population. And since I mentioned it, I would also like to counter the argument that people are gay because of their genes. If that were the case, how do you explain now famous actors who performed gay roles to boost their careers? It seems like with anything, if you want it badly enough, genes or no genes, you will get it if you are persistent. I've had homosexual thoughts, does that mean it's in my genes, or does it mean that since gay is not in my genes, they are just thoughts? I'm confused, but basically, the whole gene theory is I think as backwards as saying "fate" made me do it, like saying I'm gay because God made me that way, same as saying I'm gay because Darwinism made me that way, which of course is nonsense since the gay gene would most likely die out because gays can not reproduce, so I agree that gay is unnatural for that reason, but again, what if you were bisexual, then you would be gay, but also straight, so you could reproduce while also enjoying the company of men (or women).

My opinion lines up with God's, who's opinion does yours fall in line with?

Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Romans 1:18-32
18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.



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