How a minor China-Japan fishing dispute blew into a diplomatic hurricane

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Can you point out exactly where the hole is, i can't seem to see it in any of the pictures. Also there were pictures of the japanese # which clearly showed scratch marks on the side not on the bow (there appears to be scratch marks on the bow of the chinese ship), can you explain this?

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Heres the picture of the hole, I circled it.

Logically it doesn't even make sense for the fishing boat to ram a armoured coast guard boat that is capable of moving 2-3 times faster than the fishing boat.

Originally posted by Returners
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Heres the picture of the hole, I circled it.

Logically it doesn't even make sense for the fishing boat to ram a armoured coast guard boat that is capable of moving 2-3 times faster than the fishing boat.

Interesting, but to be honest I’m not totally sold that is a hole, could be a dint but the angle of the shot and quality leave a lot to be desired.

I agree that it doesn't really make sense for the fishing boat to ram the coast guard boat, but there was the incident a while back where a group of Chinese boats circled a US navy reconnaissance ship, which seemed rather aggressive.

I haven't seen the word "OIL" mentioned in this thread yet.

There is a fair amount of oil near the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands. (By the way I think its funny the way the media squirms to avoid using either name and keeps calling them "the disputed islands"...).

Northeast Asia is always complex and there are lots of different things at work, as have been pointed out in this thread. I think the fact that there is oil there is a highly significant piece of the puzzle, especially since Japan imports 98% of its oil.

Oh and by the way, China may or may not halt the supply of rare earth metals to Japan. If you aren't up on the whole rare earth metals thing, you should be.

Have a nice day...

Follow the money...follow the commodities...

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Hey you may have missed this post from page 1

Originally posted by SLAYER69
There was a rumor earlier this week that China would limit or stop shipments of Rare Earth exports in retaliation. This article points out the China has denied that story.

China Denies Halting Rare-Earth Exports to Japan

SHANGHAI—China said it hasn't limited export of rare-earth elements to Japan, denying a report that it had halted exports of the materials to its neighbor as retaliation in a territorial dispute.

"China doesn't block rare earth exports to Japan," Chen Rongkai, a spokesman for China's Ministry of Commerce, said Thursday.

Also here is a more in depth discussion on China's growing influence and it's neighbors concerns.
Asia wary as China asserts territorial ambitions

China has a long list of disputes over land and sea, including swathes of the Himalayan plateau also claimed by India, and the islets and reefs of the Spratlys chain staked out by Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, Taiwan and Brunei.

China insists it has complete sovereignty over the Spratly and Paracel islands in the South China Sea, a region rich in oil, gas and fisheries, as well as a strategic waterway linking East Asia with Europe and the Middle East.China insists it has complete sovereignty over the Spratly and Paracel islands in the South China Sea, a region rich in oil, gas and fisheries, as well as a strategic waterway linking East Asia with Europe and the Middle East.

...Thread update...

Japan to Release Chinese Trawler Captain Involved in Boat Collision

Japanese prosecutors say they will release a Chinese trawler captain who has been detained since his boat collided with Japanese patrol vessels in disputed waters. The incident enraged China, which retaliated by canceling meetings with Japanese officials and, traders say, halting shipments of essential exports.

Originally posted by purplemonkey

Originally posted by Returners
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Heres the picture of the hole, I circled it.

Logically it doesn't even make sense for the fishing boat to ram a armoured coast guard boat that is capable of moving 2-3 times faster than the fishing boat.

Interesting, but to be honest I’m not totally sold that is a hole, could be a dint but the angle of the shot and quality leave a lot to be desired.

I agree that it doesn't really make sense for the fishing boat to ram the coast guard boat, but there was the incident a while back where a group of Chinese boats circled a US navy reconnaissance ship, which seemed rather aggressive.

Are you talking about this incident?

Clearly the Chinese weren't the ones being aggressive.

The USA sent a military ship into chinese territory to spy on their submarines and was caught red handed and forcefully ejected.


gcaptain.com...

What is the mission of a T-AGOS vessel

MSC tells us: Ocean surveillance ships have a single mission — gather underwater acoustical data. The T-AGOS ships operate to support the anti-submarine warfare mission of the U.S. Navy’s Atlantic and Pacific Fleets.

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You're making it sound as if ONLY the US does that. Russian and others have been spotted close to US territory for decades.

As long as they stay withing Internationally recognized waters there is nothing anyone can do. That goes both ways.

This is nothing new.

Chinese boats harassed U.S. ship, officials say

The USNS Victorious is an unarmed ocean surveillance ship operated by a civilian mariner crew working for the Military Sealift Command. The mission is to conduct authorized undersea listening operations in international waters, according to the U.S. Navy. There is video of this latest incident, but it has not been released by the Pentagon.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Chinese boats harassed U.S. ship, officials say

The USNS Victorious is an unarmed ocean surveillance ship operated by a civilian mariner crew working for the Military Sealift Command. The mission is to conduct authorized undersea listening operations in international waters, according to the U.S. Navy. There is video of this latest incident, but it has not been released by the Pentagon.

You realize that the USA never ratified the United Nations Law of the Sea, therefore international waters is what they claim it to be

Look where the incident takes place

On March 4, 2009, Victorious was involved in one of a string of incidents between US research ships and Chinese ships. While operating in international waters, roughly 120 miles off the coast of mainland China in the Yellow Sea

Exclusive economic zones (EEZs) Extends from the edge of the territorial sea out to 200 nautical miles from the baseline.

en.wikipedia.org...

The convention is ratified by 160 countries, Niue, Cook Islands and the European Union.

Countries that have signed, but not yet ratified — (19) Afghanistan, Bhutan, Burundi, Cambodia, Central African Republic, Colombia, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Iran, Democratic People's Republic of Korea, Libya, Liechtenstein, Malawi, Niger, Rwanda, Swaziland, Thailand, United Arab Emirates, United States.

Countries that have not signed — (16) Andorra, Azerbaijan, Ecuador, Eritrea, Israel, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Peru, San Marino, Syria, Tajikistan, Timor-Leste, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Venezuela.

Why is the United States refusing to join Law of the Sea?

www.globalsolutions.org...

In 2004 all 19 members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee voted unanimously in favor of LOS. Although not a single Senator abstained or voted against the treaty, then Majority Leader Frist never brought it to the floor for a vote.

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Exclusive economic zones (EEZs)

It wasn't fishing or doing any other such type of activity

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Clearly an area labeled "exclusive economic zone" cannot be called International Waters.




According to 160 Countries including Canada, Australia, all of Europe, Russia, Japan all of them agree that the USA violated UN law.

The USA is the ONLY major country in the world that does not ratify the LAW of the Sea that 90% of the world subscribes to.

But this is nothing new, the USA regularly wipes its ass with UN laws see the invasion of Afghanistan.

You are a good American, nice and ignorant about International Laws. If the USA says that they are in international waters, then they are in international waters. If the USA says that Iraq has WMDS and Afghanistan has Osama Bin Laden then the USA must be telling the truth.


No matter how much proof I post up you still insist that the Chinese are aggressive and evil. Fox news has programmed you well.

Originally posted by Returners
No matter how much proof I post up you still insist that the Chinese are aggressive and evil. Fox news has programmed you well.

You have a right to post your opinions.
BUT Don't put words into my mouth.


I don't watch FOX news. That's a very ignorant ASSumption on your part.