How a minor China-Japan fishing dispute blew into a diplomatic hurricane

How a minor China-Japan fishing dispute blew into a diplomatic hurricane

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The confrontation in disputed waters between a Chinese fishing boat and Japanese Coast Guard vessels have quickly soured China-Japan relations. Both governments appear ready to lose face in the standoff.

Beijing

What began as a routine fisheries dispute near a string of uninhabited rocky islets in the East China Sea has blown into a major diplomatic storm between Asia’s two economic powerhouses, both of them hung up on the sensitive issues of national sovereignty and international statu

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It seems that neither side wants to lose face. That's a very important aspect in many countries/cultures in the region more so than in the West.

The deadlock has gone way beyond fishing rights and has gone full bore into a international flap. The two largest Asian economies with China being the heavy which fairly recently sprinted past Japan as the Largest Economy in Asia have been locking horns over this dispute since day one. With no signs of a settlement we can only sit back and watch the show.

Who will crack first?
Who will lose face?

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I am not sure who will crack or who will lose out. The Japes are notoriously stubborn, and the Chinese are notoriously proud. Japan is starting to flex its military might again and China is Looking to show the world why it should be considered a Super Power.... I don’t think this will go down Military ( Large Scale) but it could go down in small skirmishes. It will be interesting.

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Yeah this is one of those deals where the more you know the more you got to wonder if this posturing isn't just a smokescreen... a distraction so were looking in the wrong place...

I don't know anymore...and the more I think on it ... the more it makes my head hurt...

There was a rumor earlier this week that China would limit or stop shipments of Rare Earth exports in retaliation. This article points out the China has denied that story.

China Denies Halting Rare-Earth Exports to Japan

SHANGHAI—China said it hasn't limited export of rare-earth elements to Japan, denying a report that it had halted exports of the materials to its neighbor as retaliation in a territorial dispute.

"China doesn't block rare earth exports to Japan," Chen Rongkai, a spokesman for China's Ministry of Commerce, said Thursday.

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Wars of the past have broken out over much less.
I hope somebody in a backroom deal cracks. So both can save face

Originally posted by DaddyBare
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

Yeah this is one of those deals where the more you know the more you got to wonder if this posturing isn't just a smokescreen... a distraction so were looking in the wrong place...

Do you seriously believe this whole flap is a distraction?

Seem plausible but to detract from what?

China is flexing it's might in many ways these days. This has the feeling of establishing a pecking order. China becomes the #2 economy and starts off by trying to put Japan in it's "place". It doesn't help at all that the Chinese still hold a grudge [some may say rightfully] from Japanese atrocities dating from WWII. A little come-upence served with a little bit more of "here is how it's going to be now" from the Chinese. I fear this is only a glimpse of whats to come from China.

Originally posted by hangedman13
China is flexing it's might in many ways these days....

"here is how it's going to be now" from the Chinese. I fear this is only a glimpse of whats to come from China.

China has been flexing alright. However they are not the only projected power in the up coming order of things. Here is an interesting article I found. I'll also post a graph which show the potential future growth of China, India and the US. It doesn't quite go with the report. It's all projections and speculations at this point.

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U.S., China, and India to be Three Most Powerful Countries in 2025: Report

Sept 23 – In a report titled “Global Governance 2025,” experts from the U.S. National Intelligence Council and the European Union’s Institute for Security Studies project that by 2025 the United States will maintain its lead in the world power structure, but will have lost considerable ground to the next two countries on the list – emerging Asian forces China and India.

The 82-page report highlights several current and growing global threats, including climate change, economic issues, terrorism, competition for resources, and infectious diseases.

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I think its a little different this time, Japan is protected by the US, even though we are stretched thin, our Airforce can still pound the # out of China.... So I hope backdoor deals prevail.

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That and the fact that Japan is still the Hightech leader in the world. It would come as a shock to nobody if Japan were to put those talents towards some rather exotic weapons development.

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I think you are correct in your assessment. YES, China still has a huge h*** on for Japan from WW2 and they also have an extremely long memory. WW2 was just a generation ago to them. They still have sore spots from deals done centuries ago.

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Well so does Korea and they seem to be doing well with their relations with Japan.

Originally posted by hinky
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I think you are correct in your assessment. YES, China still has a huge h*** on for Japan from WW2 and they also have an extremely long memory. WW2 was just a generation ago to them. They still have sore spots from deals done centuries ago.

Japan gained territory from WW2 even though they were the aggressors and lost.

I'd be angry too if I were China.

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Yes South Korea loves Japan, just check out these drawings made by South Korean children when they were given the opportunity to draw whatever they wanted.


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Seriously don't state facts about a country that you clearly know nothing about/

NM

See this story yet????????? Damn!!!! Now what?????

This is a little bit worse than a skipper>>>>>

"China has informed Japan that it is now questioning four Japanese, apparently over alleged unauthorized entry into a military zone, according to the Japanese Embassy in Beijing. Xinhua News Agency reported Thursday that Chinese authorities are investigating four Japanese nationals for allegedly entering a military zone in Hebei Province without authorization and videotaping military targets'. (Source: Kyodo)

Here's more on the four detained from "AP"....

Look's like diplomatic nightmare!!! This could be huge!!!


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It's going to get out of control.
Let's hope cooler heads prevail

Heres some pictures of the incident

I really love how the western media is spinning this, in every article it claims that the chinese ship ran into the Japanese ship and in none of the articles do the show the hole in the ship.

The hole is on the side of the chinese ship, clearly the Japanese ships rammed the chinese one