Aldous Huxley was correct not George Orwell

Aldous Huxley; looks like the age that we have just about passed with a strong middle class.

George Orwell; is the soon to be living conditions do to no middle class, and a socialist-communist type government.

Hard to fathom op, when the economy crashes everyone will still be living with so much technology around them, but good effigy of the past and the near distant future

First time I've seen this thread, glad it got bumped up - The illustrations really hit the nail on the head and It's really amazing to see the plausibility when looking at the spectrum extremes of Communism and Nationalism while swapping the methods of order with over stimulation/freedom and under-stimulation/control

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Yes The Giver was another excellent example.


All of them sort of have their points that ring true.



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EXCELLENT thread - thanks to jrod for reminding me about it.

In October of 1949, a few months after the release of George Orwell's dystopian masterpiece, Nineteen Eighty-Four, he received a fascinating letter from fellow author Aldous Huxley — a man who, 17 years previous, had seen his own nightmarish vision of society published, in the form of Brave New World. What begins as a letter of praise soon becomes a brief comparison of the two novels, and an explanation as to why Huxley believes his own, earlier work to be a more realistic prediction.

Here it is:



Wrightwood. Cal.
21 October, 1949

Dear Mr. Orwell,

It was very kind of you to tell your publishers to send me a copy of your book. It arrived as I was in the midst of a piece of work that required much reading and consulting of references; and since poor sight makes it necessary for me to ration my reading, I had to wait a long time before being able to embark on Nineteen Eighty-Four.

Agreeing with all that the critics have written of it, I need not tell you, yet once more, how fine and how profoundly important the book is. May I speak instead of the thing with which the book deals — the ultimate revolution? The first hints of a philosophy of the ultimate revolution — the revolution which lies beyond politics and economics, and which aims at total subversion of the individual's psychology and physiology — are to be found in the Marquis de Sade, who regarded himself as the continuator, the consummator, of Robespierre and Babeuf. The philosophy of the ruling minority in Nineteen Eighty-Four is a sadism which has been carried to its logical conclusion by going beyond sex and denying it. Whether in actual fact the policy of the boot-on-the-face can go on indefinitely seems doubtful. My own belief is that the ruling oligarchy will find less arduous and wasteful ways of governing and of satisfying its lust for power, and these ways will resemble those which I described in Brave New World. I have had occasion recently to look into the history of animal magnetism and hypnotism, and have been greatly struck by the way in which, for a hundred and fifty years, the world has refused to take serious cognizance of the discoveries of Mesmer, Braid, Esdaile, and the rest.

Partly because of the prevailing materialism and partly because of prevailing respectability, nineteenth-century philosophers and men of science were not willing to investigate the odder facts of psychology for practical men, such as politicians, soldiers and policemen, to apply in the field of government. Thanks to the voluntary ignorance of our fathers, the advent of the ultimate revolution was delayed for five or six generations. Another lucky accident was Freud's inability to hypnotize successfully and his consequent disparagement of hypnotism. This delayed the general application of hypnotism to psychiatry for at least forty years. But now psycho-analysis is being combined with hypnosis; and hypnosis has been made easy and indefinitely extensible through the use of barbiturates, which induce a hypnoid and suggestible state in even the most recalcitrant subjects.

Within the next generation I believe that the world's rulers will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging and kicking them into obedience. In other words, I feel that the nightmare of Nineteen Eighty-Four is destined to modulate into the nightmare of a world having more resemblance to that which I imagined in Brave New World. The change will be brought about as a result of a felt need for increased efficiency. Meanwhile, of course, there may be a large scale biological and atomic war — in which case we shall have nightmares of other and scarcely imaginable kinds.

Thank you once again for the book.

Yours sincerely,

Aldous Huxley



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Might have been posted already but worth a bump anyways.

they are both true,

one is China and their proxies (Orwell),
the other is America and their proxies. (Huxley)

one day, one of the systems will NEED total control of the other, they cannot survive synonymously

i figured i'd make a comment, so this can get back into rotation on ATS. Unfortunately, it will do nothing to change people's mentalities. They're comfortable in their meaningless lives! As long as facebook is up and running...life is good and all is well.

Great thread! I agree that both of these systems are in effect throughout countries in the world today. In America (where I reside), I agree that we have the system that Huxley predicted in effect. Anyway, my point is: if this Huxley system collapsed, it would probably lead to a Orwellian-state of control to prevent the system from collapsing again. As this is ATS, I would say that this scenario is being guided in this particular fashion by the ones that are in control for complete control over the masses. Like one other member posted earlier, they are one side of the same coin.