Site 4: More Secret Than Groom Lake?

originally posted by: gariac
a reply to: FosterVS

The so-called reluctant to talk about S-4 Bob Lazar will be giving a talk on it at some UFO conference this weekend.

I've been scouring the web for reports on his appearance.

International UFO Congress - Scottsdale, AZ
SATURDAY – FEBRUARY 21, 2015
2:30 – 3:45 PM: George Knapp – Area 51′s Whistleblower
4:00 – 5:30 PM: Bob Lazar – A Special Q & A with Bob Lazar

I found a reference to George Knapp's presentation, but ZILCH about Lazar.
Methinks he was a no-show.

a reply to: FosterVS

Apparently Lazar was there, based on someone who attended.

a reply to: gfad

Yeah, it makes no sense.

BTW, if there were any "secret underground base" in the desert, the most obvious location would be as in the links.

Use the underground facilities owned by DOE at the NTS. Not the holes dug by the bombs (far too deep and unstable), but the normal underground stuff where they assembled and integrated the test equipment for the weapons shots.

If you need somewhere safe, with engineering facilities, and where nobody unwanted is going to be going, that's where you'd put it.

a reply to: mbkennel

www.otherhand.org... d/

There are a few (like maybe three) write ups on the interwebs from mere civilians that have been in the NTS tunnels. Tom Mahood's is the one I know of from memory.

There's another even more incredible, high-tech, super-secret site, but I can't tell you where it is, because it's super-secret. But here's a hint: Alaska.

Well, I hate to say it...

But if we know about it, it's not very secret.

I'd hedge my bets that a LOT of uber-secret stuff happens right under our noses in labs all across the USA. Small innovations here and there, compartmentalized and not published about.

Sometimes hiding something in plane sight works, especially if no one knows what to look for.

originally posted by: Blue Shift
There's another even more incredible, high-tech, super-secret site, but I can't tell you where it is, because it's super-secret. But here's a hint: Alaska.

Oh please tell me that's true. I'll do some "investigative" journalism! Point me in the right direction and I'll jump in my car! I know that there is/was a Naval research station in Barrow. There's also supposedly an installation in the Aleutian Islands that *isnt* on Google Maps or Bing Maps. I wonder if any of the fisherman I've run across have seen anything strange, never really asked them.

originally posted by: Blue Shift
There's another even more incredible, high-tech, super-secret site, but I can't tell you where it is, because it's super-secret. But here's a hint: Alaska.

Why can't you tell us Blue Shift, are you under NDA?

a reply to: MKMoniker

Nobody knew about it before Lazar though (Bar the people who actually had involvement in the facility), how did you know?

originally posted by: Thomasz
a reply to: MKMoniker

Nobody knew about it before Lazar though (Bar the people who actually had involvement in the facility), how did you know?

Then by definition, more people than Lazar knew about it.
Lazar may have had a hand in sensationalizing the base, but by all accounts he was never there.
But I digress... believe what you wish.

a reply to: Thomasz

Actually, lots of people in the general public knew about Area 51 long before Bob Lazar first mentioned it in 1989.

The existence of Area 51 was never classified. When the air base was first built in 1955 the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) drafted a statement for release by the Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) announcing construction of a small airfield that came to be known as Watertown Airstrip. The facility was described as “essentially temporary.” The press release was distributed to 18 media outlets in Nevada and Utah including a dozen newspapers, four radio stations, and two television stations.

In October 1955, a reporter from the Las Vegas Review-Journal requested a progress report on the Watertown project and on 17 October, Col. Alfred D. Starbird at AEC Headquarters issued a statement through the Albuquerque Operations Office in response to that request.

In May 1957, the AEC issued an information booklet called “Background Information on Nevada Nuclear Tests” to news media covering the Operation Plumbbob atomic test series. It described “construction of a small facility at Watertown, in the Groom Lake area at the northeast corner of the Test Site."

In November 1959, during construction of a radar cross-section test facility, an AEC spokesman announced: “Sheet metal workers needed at the Groom Lake Project 51 in the Nevada Test Site are constructing a butler-type building.” The spokesman said that the building would be used to “house data reduction equipment for use by Edgerton, Germeshausen, and Grier [EG&G] in an Air Force program.” This article also included the first known official reference to "Area 51."

The CIA declassified the fact of its association with Area 51 in October 2010. Agency documents declassified prior to that date had terms like "Area 51" and "Groom Lake" redacted. Since the declassification, documents released by the CIA in response to FOIA requests include the term "Area 51," and the CIA historian has used this terminology openly in lectures and publications.

Also, even without official announcements, Area 51 has figured prominently in news stories about aircraft accidents (C-54 crash in 1955, F-101 crash in 1965, MiG-23 crash in 1984) and rumored secret projects ("stealth fighter," Soviet fighter planes, etc.). Books and magazine articles about the U-2, A-12/SR-71 Blackbirds, and stealth technology invariably mentioned the secret base. Area 51 was also in the national news in the early to mid 1980s when the Air Force seized 89,000 acres of public land in the Groom Mountains to prevent public entry to areas that had a view of Groom Lake.

So, lots of people knew about Area 51 in the three decades before lazar came on the scene.

a reply to: Shadowhawk

c-54 crash

KNPR interviewed a man that wrote a book about the Mt. Charleston crash. Click on "listen" on the linked page. I haven't heard it since the original airing, so I'm going to listen again. My recollection was the crash was in the winter, which made rescue nearly possible, not that there were survivors.

As an aside, I was on scene moments after a small civilian aircraft hit Mt. Charleston. I was driving south on 95 a bit north on the mountain and it was obvious to me this plane wasn't going to make it. Lots of empty desert to ditch a plane, but this guy thought he could recover. I was there to see the smoke. It turns out CAP showed up about the time when I was about to phone it on. I caught them on the scanner.

Sometimes you have to make that hard landing and trash the plane.

originally posted by: FosterVS

originally posted by: gariac
a reply to: FosterVS

The so-called reluctant to talk about S-4 Bob Lazar will be giving a talk on it at some UFO conference this weekend.

I've been scouring the web for reports on his appearance.

International UFO Congress - Scottsdale, AZ
SATURDAY – FEBRUARY 21, 2015
2:30 – 3:45 PM: George Knapp – Area 51′s Whistleblower
4:00 – 5:30 PM: Bob Lazar – A Special Q & A with Bob Lazar

I found a reference to George Knapp's presentation, but ZILCH about Lazar.
Methinks he was a no-show.

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: FosterVS

Don't get me wrong I think his story is bogus. Fact of the matter is they wouldn't have given him the job if they knew he would blab, therefore in my opinion. he never worked there. I do however share the belief of Tom Mahood (?) that he knew more about it than the average person, perhaps from another insider source. Big fan of the youtube videos btw

a reply to: FosterVS

a reply to: Shadowhawk

Wow you learn something new every day. I genuinely didn't know that it was documented in newspapers etc back then.

originally posted by: FosterVS

originally posted by: FosterVS

originally posted by: gariac
a reply to: FosterVS

The so-called reluctant to talk about S-4 Bob Lazar will be giving a talk on it at some UFO conference this weekend.

I've been scouring the web for reports on his appearance.

International UFO Congress - Scottsdale, AZ
SATURDAY – FEBRUARY 21, 2015
2:30 – 3:45 PM: George Knapp – Area 51′s Whistleblower
4:00 – 5:30 PM: Bob Lazar – A Special Q & A with Bob Lazar

I found a reference to George Knapp's presentation, but ZILCH about Lazar.
Methinks he was a no-show.

www.youtube.com...

Youtube pulled
Found it as a torrent
PM for a link.

originally posted by: Thomasz
a reply to: FosterVS

Don't get me wrong I think his story is bogus. Fact of the matter is they wouldn't have given him the job if they knew he would blab, therefore in my opinion. he never worked there. I do however share the belief of Tom Mahood (?) that he knew more about it than the average person, perhaps from another insider source. Big fan of the youtube videos btw

I concur. I defer to Tom Mahood and others, especially that guy a few posts up called Shadowhawk AKA "he was there before Lazar and knows what he's talking about".

Thanks, I kind of toot my own horn with those video's, probably more than I should.

originally posted by: Thomasz
a reply to: FosterVS

Don't get me wrong I think his story is bogus. Fact of the matter is they wouldn't have given him the job if they knew he would blab, therefore in my opinion. he never worked there. I do however share the belief of Tom Mahood (?) that he knew more about it than the average person, perhaps from another insider source. Big fan of the youtube videos btw

Well how do you know in advance if someone is prone to blabbing? ;-)

In the video, Lazar never really says he had a security clearance. Remember, he never actually worked FOR Los Alamos. Rather he worked AT Los Alamos. Lazar was a contract employee (Kirk Meyer IIRC).

a reply to: gariac

I always assumed background checks would be so thorough that they would be able to work out the likelihood of an information leak, perhaps I'm wrong given the amount of whistleblowers there are now, everyone and there cousin has worked at the NTTR it would seem after reading a few of the forums

What struck me was an interview he gave for a documentary stating that they let him in the groom lake facility and showed him their cool toys BEFORE having him sign the non disclosure agreement. Whether he got mixed up in what he was saying or something I don't know.

Thanks as always Gariac