The END of Online Piracy

acts and statutes are not laws !

piracy in a legal sense is piracy used under maritime law , which is not the law of the land.

piracy creates copies of games , videos , music , which doesnt create loss , injury or harm to the companies selling the products.

I'm sorry but this is a load of BS.

I went to the cinema to see Avatar. That means I'm £8 out of pocket, and I'll admit, I pirated after it came out on DVD. But me pirating it meant NOTHING to them, because they still earnt, what, well over £700 million.
Same with Inception & Expendables. I paid to see them @ the cinema, but I'm not paying another frickin' £15 each so I can watch them again. I already paid them a bunch of my money.
And music wise, If I know I like a band, I'l buy their album, but if I'm not sure, yes I will download it to see what it's like. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion.

I mean they go on and on about how pirating damages music and film... but at the end of the day... it really doesn't... if anything it makes the musician more popular. And they're still sat back quite happily earning millions... so I have a clear conscious for what I do.

Complete bull#.

I'll believe that there's teeth to this when the us government takes 4chan offline.

Piracy won't die as long as 4chan lives, and I guarantee you this isn't going to kill 4chan.

The RIAA Spent $58 Million Suing File Sharers, Got 2% Back and this image. I'm repeating myself but the MPAA and RIAA are the cancer of the universe.

Originally posted by rogerstigers

Originally posted by Soldier of God

Originally posted by rogerstigers
I work in the software industry and I cannot as a developer understand how people view any of this as theft? At least not anyone who has any experience or friends who are actors or musicians or stangehands, etc. The only people who are hurt by this are the people who would make money from nothing to line their already loaded pockets.

What are you talking about??? The musician gets paid on every physical copy or legal download, every one. If you take it for free he doesn't get anything! You are wrong...

Real musicians are musicians because they love performing. If they want to earn a living playing music then they should go out and WORK! Maybe this is why musicians seem so disconnected from their audiences these days. They just slap crap onto a cd and call it good.


In summary, yeah, I do not believe in intellectual property. I work for a living.
I don't know about profiteers in the entertainment industry, but the many actors, musicians, and other performers I have worked with and befriended feel pretty much the same way. If you are not out there *performing* you are just selling out and deserve whatever you get.

edit on 9-21-2010 by rogerstigers because: (no reason given)

I have to agree. I've been touring on and off since I was 16 and rarely have any projects I've ever been in seen a profit from record sales (in stores) or downloads. I've been on several large independent labels, large enough to have to deal with lawyers and contracts and I have to say that once they're involved the artist actually loses out. In the bands I've been in we always made our money on the road through guarantees and merch sales. I've probably given away as many CD's as I've sold. Touring is where the money is, not brick and mortar record sales, online record sales, or digital sales. The only people you're hurting by downloading music, in the rock industry, are those who don't bother writing their own music (producers get a huge cut usually 10 times what the artist will make) or those who have taken huge loans from their record company. As an independent musician, I fully support pirating any project I've worked on... its great marketing, its usually better marketing than a record company or PR company could ever hope to invest in you. I've had friends who have actually refused to sell CDs at shows (due to their label contracts they made no money on them whatsoever, none). So who is really being hurt by pirating in the music industry? The greedy business execs, label assembled artist who couldn't write their own music if you held a revolver to their skull, and very wealthy well known producers who have sold more albums than the entire catalog of your favorite independent label. Even the Foo Fighters have said in multiple interviews they don't care if you pirate their music. That should say something.

If it did happen, that means the rich will just become richer while our freedoms are stripped.

I'm not too worried about this though, because hackers truly own the internet. They are the most brilliant minds on the planet, and they will never stand to let such a thing happen. If torrents ever went down, the hacker/programmer community will just think of something new. They always have, and they always will. Hackers will probably end up saving the world one day.

Originally posted by scwizard
Complete bull#.

I'll believe that there's teeth to this when the us government takes 4chan offline.

Piracy won't die as long as 4chan lives, and I guarantee you this isn't going to kill 4chan.

What does 4chan have to do with p2p and torrents?

I'll say this regarding the subject... digital information is just that, information. That is free. If someone walks into a store and steals a cd or dvd, they are stealing property. In my opinion, copy right infringement should only be applied to physical mediums. Digital copyright is just silly. Now, if I download a program, change it, call it my own and sell it, I get the illegality of that. If I download a movie,or ripped it from a disc, change it and release it for a profit, I get that.

There already is another way - wireless client to client. Most of us use it everyday already (bluetooth).

IMO that's where the next true open domain will be.

Ok from the article:

If the courts decide that a site is indeed promoting copyright infringement, the DOJ can order the domain registrar to take the domain offline.

For a lot of ppl this will mean the end of it.

For those who know how the internet works at the nuts and bolts level it will not.

When the say they will take the domain offline they mean they will just stop the name service (DNS)
from pointing at an IP address.

Try typing this in your web browser.

194.71.107.15

There is more to the internet than most ppl know.

Now they can create a black list firewall at the international gateways, but this domain registrar stuff
is just going to stop your average folks.

Even if this blacklist firewall stunt is pulled there are free web proxies out there in countries outside
the US so that when you visit the site you do so via 2ndary computer in another country.

www.proxy4free.com...

The ppl in china circumvent the block on the internet there with certain tools.

For a lot of ppl they use things like TOR.

www.torproject.org...

Furthermore before torrents, before napster, before p2p, there was other ways to share files.

The old ways will be dug out of the dust bin, and this time with encryption.

They can stop the average person, but the ppl that help build out the internet are going
to be a little bit harder to stop by just taking the names off the sites.

Much like just taking the names off ppls mailboxes, the numbering system is still there.

The best minds the corporations could buy and millions of dollars were spent on encryption
of DVD's and then HD-DVD and both were broken.

Anything that can be engineered can be reverse engineered at this time.

At some time that may not hold true, but for now it does and likely will persist.

Originally posted by Oreyeon
To Hell with the Human Race. That should be the consensus now. We don't deserve to exist.
The world is ugly. And so are those that inhabit it and strive to destroy it.

Just go pray at the Georgia Guidestones with all the other ppl that want genocide
so the stock pilers don't have to come looking for ya.

Pray here:

www.radioliberty.com...

Say Hi to these folks for me and don't tell them where my chicken self is hiding:

www.ammoland.com...

I'll be hiding in the hills when it all goes sideways, and good luck to all you eugenics crowd
and human haters when Civil War part 2 breaks out.

Even former president Carter has alluded to this.

republicanredefined.com...

We are likely OK til the elections, but if there is ANY funny business at that time, all bets are off.

Good Luck to all the good ppl !!!

reply to post by PsykoOps


The MPAA got pummeled by 4chan twice in the last week.

Another software securities company (I think) also got pummeled, with over 12 hours downtime on their servers.

reply to post by iamoverrated


Exactly man , they only care because the company and Anr's are losing out not the artists !

its all because the corporations are spending millions on ads and independent artists advertise for free using file sharing and piracy !

So... who cares? You can still reach sites by typing the ip instead, right? Because what i get outta the article is that they're just taking down domain names.

*yawn*

Outlaw torrent sites, and I assure you all media entertainment sales will plummet.

dvd sales, cd sales etc. etc.

this is just the swan song of the dying entertainment industry. they don't have the stranglehold on the content anymore so they are holding on for dear life. i DO NOT feel bad for downloading a movie, album, book, etc. and shame on anyone who should impose that feeling on me.

all art and human expression should be freely distributed. if im reading your book, listening to your album, or watching your movie you should be happy with just that. if you are just in it for the money you don't deserve my cash in the first place because your product is most likely trash.

all the real music lives underground!

reply to post by Bicent76


The much easier option would be to offer Digital Media at competitive prices utilising the Bit Torrent protocol. Would illegal File Sharing still exist? Yes. But imagine how many people would opt to rather do something which they know is legal and cannot get them into trouble with the law.

Won't happen, period.

This is another doomed to fail idea. The cost of this alone would break the banks of America and that is non-recoupable. Simply put you can't stop piracy.

Torrents are a sucker’s way to get content. There are plenty of file hosting sites with litrally petabytes of storage space. Files are located all over the world, and although the links go dead pretty quick, they resurface again somewhere else.

Did you know that back in 2006 the global entertainment industry worth was projected to be around $1.8 trillion in 2010.

Source: - BBC News : - Global media market 'set to boom'

According to Price Waterhouse Cooper the the UK entertainment industry alone comprising of Games, music, and DVD salesrentals was worth in 2009 $73 billion and is projected to be worth by 2014 $88 billion, that’s a compound growth rate of 3.7% for the 5 year forcast period.

The irony is its the internet that is the driving force behind the growth!!



So we are talking Serious Profits here. This is not an industry suffering from the ill effects of piracy, this is an industry flourishing even in light of hard global financial times.

So I stick my two fingers up at the entertainment industry, and say if you have the knowhow and you don't have the money, go ahead and download for free. It is not hurting the industry one little iotta.

Korg.

reply to post by Dark Ghost


Hey ghost!!

I agree to an extent, it seems they are just trying to figure out how to get control, and make as much money as they can. Best thing for the entertainment industry can do is what they are doing I think, sure p2p will always exist, and don't get me wrong I am no FAN, of pirating flicks that are still in the theater, not cool and I am not down with that, and its the idiotic morons who bring the cams into theater's and then uploading the content in torrents, that I think essentially is what is pissing these CEO's and studio's off. But that's just one piece of the pie.

Now on the other side of the spectrum, you have consumers out their tight fisting their money, right now, and allot of people wanna take the pepsi challenge when it comes to buying cd's.. Also the last I checked its the porn company's screaming and hollering the most about copyright infringements. As for me, their is allot of music out there I would not spend any money on what so ever, and most of the music i like, I can get in the bargain bin at Camelot, so in my opinion most music out there is not worth a crap anyhow. Lady gag gag etc. etc.

Yet dont count this crazy idea out yet, they passed the universal taxation without representational health insurance.

yes definately believe that these companies that are complaining about piracey should be coming up with ideas to get people to move away from it yes if you could download the movie online and it comes with a program in it which corrupts the movie file after a certain amount of days might be the idea. If you want to stop this they need to make it cheaper sure money might be geting lost in this area but that money is going in other places why can't we have a world like what was invisaged on star trek that could so work if humans have nothing holding them back we can achieve great things and alot of problems may be solved

Originally posted by Ignorance_Defier
Ughh I wouldn't say it is the END of it as your post suggest. Maybe the end of an already outdated method. Remember the feds are always one step behind. But stealing music is illegal. Even though the artist may only make 10 cents off an album and the rest goes to the record label, publishing company, producer etc it's still stealing. It also diminishes their credibility as far as "albums sold" goes because no one really knows.

I believe it is time for copyright reform. The laws were made in the 70s (I believe) and are not up to date with the current times. Millions of people break them as well.

I think there should be payments like; 20,50,100 or 200 dollars a year for a certain amount of downloads or something like that. 99 cents a song is still too expensive and 10-20 dollars a CD is too expensive as well.

I think this is something that we will see a lot of changes happening in the near future. (The music industry).

Keep in mind with the ridiculous amounts of music being "stolen" the economy has been significantly hit.

Not saying I haven't, but the next time you steal music think to yourself that you are contributing to the slump the global economy is currently in.

It's a tough topic, I would suggest calling/writing a local politician & telling them you want copyright reform!

Yes,poor little music industry,instead of building a 12 floor house they built a 8 floor house,instead of buying a Bugatti Veyron they bought a Lamborghini, how sad indeed.
The horror of piracy is unimaginable.
Do you know why people resort to piracy?
When you charge 20 euros for a stupid CD you try buying it when your entire salary is 150 euros.
You are just an indoctrinated fool or a paid one.
When the system is broken and no one listens it's then that you make your own laws.