Is this 9/11 nonsense going to ever go away? ZERO eveidence but still pushing on!

reply to post by vipertech0596

Can you please provide the documentation that any of these NY Firefighters retracted these statements?

"My story was never mentioned in the final report and I felt like I was being put on trial in a court room. They were trying to twist my words and make the story fit only what they wanted to hear" [PDF download] -Firefighter Louie Cacchioli

"When I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, ... I saw low-level flashes ... I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down ... You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw." - NYFD Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory

“It was like a professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear 'Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop'." - NYC Paramedic Daniel Rivera

"It was as if as if they had detonated ... as if they had planned to take down a building, boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom " - NYFD Captain Dennis Tardio

"I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there were bombs set in the building." - NYFD Firefighter Louie Cacchioli

“There was just an explosion in the south tower. It seemed like on television when they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.” - NYFD Firefighter Richard Banaciski

"It almost sounded like bombs going off, like boom, boom, boom, like seven or eight" - NYFD Firefighter Thomas Turilli

"Heard explosions coming from . . . the south tower . . . There were about ten explosions. . . . We then realized the building started to come down" - NYFD Firefighter Craig Carlson

"It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit. . . . We originally had thought there was like an internal detonation, explosives, because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down" - NYFD Firefighter Edward Cachia

"Somewhere around the middle . . . there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode ... With each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building" - NYFD Captain Karin Deshore

"A debate began to rage because . . . many people had felt that possibly explosives had taken out 2 World Trade" - NYFD Firefighter Christopher Feny

911lies.org...

Originally posted by Varemia


I wasn't suggesting that at all. I was just saying that the metal didn't vaporize during the collapse. I've seen it proved many times that the collapse was a number of seconds slower than free-fall.

Cool I wasn't sure where you were going with that.
Thanks for the clarification !

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by jambatrumpet

 

Talking to members of the FDNY that survived that day. Most of them get really snipy about their statements being taken out of context. Not to mention, not ONE of them mentioned bombs or explosives in their official statements.

Your statements got me thinking, so I did some research....Turns out all of the Official statements by FDNY that referred to explosions in WTC were suppressed by the 911 Commission...in 2005 a Freedom of Information request was filed...

NY Times & Victims Family FOIA Request making Suppressed Firemen Statements public: A rich vein of city records from Sept. 11, including more than 12,000 pages of oral histories rendered in the voices of 503 firefighters, paramedics, and emergency medical technicians, was made public 8/12/05.

Turns out there are MANY official statements mentioning bombs and explosions in the WTC on 911.....You may peruse them here:
www.flcv.com...

Turns out your whole argument is fiction....but I doubt you will retract, or admit it.

You all know from my previous posts that I tend to adamantly debunk many of the arguments about explosives and such. There's something weird that I can't help but shake though. Now, this isn't saying I'm a truther. I still stand by my observations, but I have been trying my hardest to find video of the base of the tower the minute before the collapse. Unfortunately, there is no video at all. Every single one starts while looking at the top of the tower. The rare couple that don't are mysteriously glitchy and skip from just before the collapse to during the collapse.

In the videos that are panned to show the whole building, some building or another is blocking the first 20-30 stories from view. The fact that every video I found that had a pan on the building's base is glitched and missing seconds is just weird!

First of all I think there is a mountain load of evidence indicating 9/11 was a cover up. With that said, even if there were no evidence, shouldn't you give them credit for sticking to their story even without any facts? And if they have no facts, are nonsense, then why would you care? It's like being worried about people who believe aliens will destroy humanity. If it happens, we should thank them for trying to warn us, if not, what harm are they doing other than trying to scare some people who should know better anyways.

Originally posted by filosophia
First of all I think there is a mountain load of evidence indicating 9/11 was a cover up. With that said, even if there were no evidence, shouldn't you give them credit for sticking to their story even without any facts? And if they have no facts, are nonsense, then why would you care? It's like being worried about people who believe aliens will destroy humanity. If it happens, we should thank them for trying to warn us, if not, what harm are they doing other than trying to scare some people who should know better anyways.

edit on 7-10-2010 by filosophia because: have a nice day!

We apparently have been looking in different directions. I keep seeing a pile of facts and evidence. What apparently happens with many truthers is that they stumble blindly into the pile, pick up a piece and say "this piece doesn't explain everything," and then claiming that the whole pile is rubbish.

I seriously came to an independent conclusion about what led to the universal collapse of WTC 7. I "just today" saw a video from NIST that literally said EXACTLY what I had hypothesized happened in regards to a column failing, and the floors bowing in, etc. The observations were facts. Notice I didn't say I knew exactly what caused them, but they did happen in that order exactly like that. It was a fact that there was debris damage and no water in WTC 7. It was a fact that firefighters observed WTC 7 and determined it was unsafe, clearing a collapse zone. It was a fact that the interior collapsed before the exterior of WTC 7. I apparently failed to see the lack of factual evidence.

reply to post by jfj123

I am SO sorry. I actually thought you had a clue.

Based upon your questions, I realize I can't help you. Only YOU can help yourself! What a concept!

Put down the flag for a little while and read. If you ask the right questions, I will bless you with a response.

(Because you are special, I just KNOW it!)

Varemia-

It was also a fact that we now know "Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11"

It was a fact that he was “on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the building.”

It was also a fact shortly after that " Former Air Force Special Operations for Search and Rescue, Kevin McPadden, ...said that he heard the last few seconds of the countdown on a nearby police radio."

It was also a fact that the fire department was heard saying: “It’s blowin’ boy.” … “Keep your eye on that building, it’ll be coming down soon.” … “The building is about to blow up, move it back.” … “Here we are walking back. There’s a building, about to blow up…”

It's also a fact that shortly after all this the building came down in a fashion that appeared to be a classic controlled demolition.

www.prisonplanet.com...

reply to post by Varemia


You know what i find absolutely believable about the fact that there is nothing going on at the bottom of the building....it is the oldest trick in the book Verm....
It is known as distraction....like all magicians...if you get the mass audience focused on one thing then you can do anything you like in another area.
so all you do is get everybody looking at the top of the building so then you can keep the illusion going which was done perfectly.
but you know something Verm it is not all about what you see to believe....it is about looking at all the things that you don't see.
and that is how the truth is coming to light.
Now finding that piece of evidence to bring people justice is going to be the hidden nugget that someday somebody will come across.
So no matter what you really believe Verm...the truth is not in what was seen on the Day of 9/11...
the truth will be brought to light by those who have the ability to see past those same events cause there was no magic involved .. It was a crime commited by evil people...and if you would like to know some of them involved...i have been writing about it.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

i think that you are actually slowly unwillingly starting to see that things are not as they seem, it has taken 9yrs for the truth movement to come this far..but this so called NONSENSE stated by the OP is never going to stop till people are brought task for what they have done on 9/11. cause people say about the 2792 lives taken that day but there are all the troops killed in two false flag wars for Isreals benefit...and also all the Arab lives over a MILLION now.....that have been lost...So if i was a Arab i would be on an out and out attack...which unfortunately makes them look even more guilty.

But believe me if this was perpetrated against my family i would be doing exactly as they are doing...Sadly though that is Exactly what the whole 9/11 ruse was meant to do....and hopefully The truth can come out before it is to late for everyone involved. there is a bigger picture here than the events of the day....this is Isreal trying to fullfil Phrophecy. They want the world to go into a global crisis. They will do all they can to make this happen...and they will do this Again. So please do not ever be fooled.

reply to post by L1U2C3I4F5E6R

Mr. Lucifer it will end when they release all the security tapes from the civilian buildings
surrounding the pentagon the day of the attack.

Same thing for OKC, when they release all the security video from the civilian buildings
nearby that showed what really happened this will start to head toward its logical end,
though that might not be what you expect and it may not be peaceful.

It is also part of why I plan to head for the hills once someone presents the case
in the manner I mention here that there was a cover up and even 6 of the 10
911 commission members said as much.

Also it would appear that only 46% of the ppl polled around the world believe
the official story.

en.wikipedia.org...

From the video in my signature several firefighters strongly question the official story.

I will take the word of those willing to risk their lives over the puppet politicians
and their cronies in DC any day of the century.

Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by jfj123

 

I am SO sorry. I actually thought you had a clue.

Based upon your questions, I realize I can't help you. Only YOU can help yourself! What a concept!

Put down the flag for a little while and read. If you ask the right questions, I will bless you with a response.

(Because you are special, I just KNOW it!)

Interesting. ... So you back up your statements by insulting anyone who disagrees with you. What a big boy you must be
This is a great example of a truther ! Anyone who is skeptical asks a question, they insult to divert from their lack of answers
You're a credit to your movement. Keep up the good work !

And I've also noticed, not one of you has explained what the official truther story is ???? Based on all your "facts" surely the truther movement has come up with an official story as to what they believe happened right? I mean you people have been bitching for 9 years now so surely you could bless us with the truther official story ????? So what is it????

Originally posted by nickspm
Varemia-

It was also a fact that we now know "Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11"

Really? This is huge ! Post the facts please.

It was a fact that he was “on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the building.”

When was this?

It was also a fact that the fire department was heard saying: “It’s blowin’ boy.” … “Keep your eye on that building, it’ll be coming down soon.” … “The building is about to blow up, move it back.” … “Here we are walking back. There’s a building, about to blow up…”

Could you post the audio?

jfj123-

You're right. It is huge that "Silverstein Wanted To Demolish Building 7 On 9/11".

Can you believe that some people still don't believe that the building was brought
down by controlled demolition, even when we have Jeffrey Scott Shapiro admitting
what he heard?!

The following should put anyone's doubts to rest. For other clips and audio bites, you should find them without any problem in the articles that have been referenced previously. Otherwise, a simple Google search should suffice.

Shapiro's statements about what he heard with absolute certainty from different members of the NYPD and also Con-Edison Workers establish even stronger evidence of the controlled demolition than previous snippets of film and audio.

Let's be honest; someone playing devil's advocate could argue that an audio clip or a piece of video footage has been manipulated, and rightly so, without corroborating evidence.

That's what makes Shapiro's own words so reassuring to those of us that figured out that Building 7 was brought down with controlled demolition so long ago.

www.disclose.tv...

Writing for Fox News, Jeffrey Scott Shapiro states, “I was working as a journalist for Gannett News at Ground Zero that day, and I remember very clearly what I saw and heard.”

“Shortly before the building collapsed, several NYPD officers and Con-Edison workers told me that Larry Silverstein, the property developer of One World Financial Center was on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the building – since its foundation was already unstable and expected to fall.”

reply to post by jambatrumpet


Try spending some more time reading those statements. The NYTimes site is the one I spoke of earlier. NONE of them say there were bombs present, they do compare what they saw to explosions...only as a comparison though.

reply to post by nickspm


So, let me get this straight. They all knew the building was unstable and that it was going to come down, so the guy was asking for permission to demolish it, which would take a lot of preparing and stuff. First the building would have to be deemed to be safe to even enter. Then, it would have to be prepared for demolition, first by strengthening the existing structure so it doesn't kill the demolitions team, and then actually going through with it, maybe a week or more after the event if they work diligently.

What you're claiming is that the fastest demolition in history was rigged, and that no one wants to take the credit for causing no loss of life with the demolition?

reply to post by plube


I'm not a bloody blind believer!

Now that I got that off my chest, once again, I reiterate for yet another time that I haven't seen a single video of the base of the towers, any of them, before the collapse. Now, with building 7 there actually were a few street views, but there was enough smoke that it was still difficult to see. With the towers, every video that panned to the base just before collapse glitched out and showed the collapse itself taking place a couple seconds later. That is extremely suspicious, and it keeps me interested in something more taking place on 9/11. Still, I can't discount the facts just because something is suspicious. The planes still definitely caused some serious damage. There were still really big fires, and the towers DID collapse.

Without the evidence that is missing, the court case here is completely ludicrous. Someone must find a person with a copy of the base (first 10-20 floors) of the towers approximately ten or more seconds before the collapse.

Arguing a case based on lack of evidence on your side will not win the case. The OS has planes, fire, people jumping to escape the towers, firefighter testimony, professors, professionals, etc. all on its side. The truther movement has a handful of people spouting the same arguments based on lack of evidence, not offering evidence and supportable explanations.

Veramia-

When you put it like that it does appear that some of the explosives were probably in Building 7 before the day of 9/11. However, we can't rule out the possibility that the explosives were rigged in one day. That's because, as we've already noted, the structural integrity of the building had already been compromised due to fire damage. It seems logical that it would take less time to prepare the controlled demolition of an unstable building than it would to bring down a stable building, at least generally.

I speculate--only speculate--that any suggestion that the building was going to come down before it actually came down could only have come from someone that had prior knowledge that the building was already rigged to come down, regardless of whether the rigging took half a day or a whole week.

Regardless, it doesn't appear that Larry Silverstein wasted much time getting on the phone to his insurance company. I would speculate--again only speculate--that Larry Silverstein was only calling his insurance company as a formality--after he knew the building had been rigged-- to get some type of assurance that they agreed that a controlled demolition was the best option for dealing with Building 7. Obviously he didn't want to have a controlled demolition and then have the insurance company kick up a stink about it--after the fact--and refuse to pay for the total loss of the building and its contents.

reply to post by nickspm


I dunno. It just seems really unlikely that anyone would send a demolition team into such a reportedly unstable building. Even if it is easier to take down due to its damage (unlikely), it would still have to be completely evaluated, all the truss strengths checked, etc. The fact that the building was damaged, on fire, and determined to be structurally unsafe makes it sound crazy to go inside and plant charges in the hope that things will fall smoothly. It would be more logical to just clear the area and wait.

reply to post by jambatrumpet


to bad your story is the one lacking any factual proof plenty of what if though ?.

its sad how deep the paranoia and distrust is in the world today demolition how why seriosly ?

I realize anybody can become a member on ATS, but we really need to elevate the discussion. Not mentioning any names, but if you don't get it, maybe you just DON'T GET IT, and you simply can't get it.

9/11 nonsense it the government cover-up. They lied, and they continue to lie.

Here is a great site with people that are paid to get it, and they DO get it.

patriotsquestion911.com...

Professionals get it, do you?