Is this 9/11 nonsense going to ever go away? ZERO eveidence but still pushing on!

Off topic.

I deleted my post.

Well i guess this nonsense is going to stop....cause it is obviously to sensitive to be talking about 9/11 anymore as there isn't anymore to be said on it....It has been decided that no matter what gets said on the subject of 9/11 it can only be stated in favour of the OS.

The OS story is the only one...i have been absolutely wrong....There is no conspiracy...IT didn't and never did exsist. The OP is absolutely right cause if i say that they are not...

Oh well....congrats to the OP

now i am talking directly about the OP's thread here....and i have had the insight to change my mind.

Originally posted by plube
Well i guess this nonsense is going to stop....cause it is obviously to sensitive to be talking about 9/11 anymore as there isn't anymore to be said on it....It has been decided that no matter what gets said on the subject of 9/11 it can only be stated in favour of the OS.

The OS story is the only one...i have been absolutely wrong....There is no conspiracy...IT didn't and never did exsist. The OP is absolutely right cause if i say that they are not...

Oh well....congrats to the OP

now i am talking directly about the OP's thread here....and i have had the insight to change my mind.

Even though I believe in the official story, I personally think it is okay to have an 'alternative opinion'. Before anyone starts shifting through anomalies, the first question that needs to be answered is a simple one. It is at the heart of all these 9/11 conspiracy theories.

-> Did George Bush and company commit a conspiracy against the United States?
-> Can you prove that George Bush committed a conspiracy without a doubt? Specifics, facts, people, places, timetables, etc...

I respect all the research everyone has done, but no one here can 'definitively' prove that Bush and company are responsible.

100% of all 9/11 conspiracy theories are based upon anomalies, which are being interpreted through personal bias and/or assumptions. Majority of the anomalies people see are unexplainable because we were not there physically. Regardless about what you think is missing in the 9/11 Commission reports, those little pieces only exist because nobody was physically inside the rooms to see each pane collide into the towers. That is not a conspiracy. It is a matter of perspective.

some remarks by the OP

I now rank "truthers" three or four rungs on the ladder below Scientology and Purity clubs for girls. Both believe in such outrageous nonsense. Now Truthers join that club of gullible and lonesome people.

Is this acceptable way to talk to people

People need to move on from this. Whoever committed these acts are TERRORISTS. Whether it was the Muslims, the US gov or the JEWS ir a collusion of 2 ie US gov and Jews, it make no difference because should be old news and there IS NO PROOF that its was anything but Muslim terrorists.

non political

I have a feeling that "truthers" are waging a war against Patriots and against America. Im not saying that truthers are terrorists as they are clearly not but they are dillusional and after all these years have FAILED to show one piece of evidence (that was not found on some website, that was not made up by their three leaders, not invented by other truthers). NO EVIDENCE HAS BEEN FOUND THAT IS PROOF!!

we are dellussional

And as far as an attack on members. I do no such thing. I have a different story and my story is the same as the one most people on this planet believe. Islamic Terrorists did this.

do we all belive it was islamic terrorists

Islamic terrorists come in all shapes and sizes as well as all colors. An Islamic terrorist does not have to be brown in color and wear some form of linen as his garb. Many Islamic terrorists are not representative of the stereotypical Muslim Terrorist.

nothing political there

but i must admit that this has been some very interesting dialogue...I hope we are all learning from this experience....would be a lot nicer if people could say that what they believe from all angles.

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My point has always been...since it cannot be proven with a shadow of a doubt that it was....Islamic terrorist that did it...then does it not follow that people should be looking at ALL other possibilities.

There is more evidence in my opinion that points down another road.

So hopefully people might take notice before it happens again...and we go to war yet again for all the wrong reasons. I can honestly say that if it is found out that it was another group i would not want to be the one who has to appoligise to those million plus iraq's and afghan's

just let the truth come out.

Originally posted by plube
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My point has always been...since it cannot be proven with a shadow of a doubt that it was....Islamic terrorist that did it...then does it not follow that people should be looking at ALL other possibilities.. just let the truth come out.

I understand your position.

Since I am on the other side of the spectrum, the truth to me is that Islamic terrorist did attack on 9/11. So, which one is the truth? My evidence comes from what I saw and heard on the news. 9/11 conspiracy theorists' are only making assumptions, which are based upon more assumptions. Many of them are looking for tiny anomalies. Unless they have something more 'definitive', the official story still stands up against scrutiny.

Originally posted by Section31
I respect all the research everyone has done, but no one here can 'definitively' prove that Bush and company are responsible.

It's impossible for a mere peasant citizen to obtain access to the information which would undoubtedly solve any of the questions presented here.

Originally posted by mryanbrown

Originally posted by Section31
I respect all the research everyone has done, but no one here can 'definitively' prove that Bush and company are responsible.

It's impossible for a mere peasant citizen to obtain access to the information which would undoubtedly solve any of the questions presented here.

Case closed in relation to that theory. Since it cannot be definitively proven, there is nothing more to actually be said. Unless you have some sort of recording of Bush and company conspiring, 9/11 conspiracy theories will only die on the floor in which they began. All these theories are personal assumptions (rumors) being spread. Who started the original 9/11 conspiracy theory? It was a group of war activists. Radio, television, and internet activists.

*shrugs*

Ticked off and angry war activists.

We know that the "official version" of 9/11 is false because seven of the 19 alleged hijackers were later found to still be alive.

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Horrible logic.

If police are capable of obtaining warrants upon suspicion and "probable cause" to obtain private/classified information and then use that information against a person in whatever way they may bend the truth around the facts.

Then why am I as an individual unable to do the same?

We have an entirely corrupt government in play, that even upon the evidence of probable cause would refuse to investigate it accordingly.

So it's not that there is no evidence, it's that evidence is denied. So all you're left with is the probable cause and sound theories as no one will allow it to escalate further.

You would rather blame those that are victims of the information hoarding game.

EDIT: As for who started the theory...

We did, our common sense started it. The minute it happened I and countless thousands of others believed it looked to be a controlled demolition. The belief existed long before the conspiracy.

Originally posted by Section31
9/11 conspiracy theories will only die on the floor in which they began. All these theories are personal assumptions (rumors) being spread.

so video evidence of two towers collapsing (both which looked like controlled demolitions)
are *rumours*? and in the case of pentagon the lack of video evidence clearly showing a
boeing hitting the building is also a *rumour*?

omg how low can you shills stoop?

Originally posted by nickspm
We know that the "official version" of 9/11 is false because seven of the 19 alleged hijackers were later found to still be alive.

Your post frankly exemplifies why trutherism is going nowhere. The hi-jackers alive was debunked years ago but of course it still keeps being dragged up along with Marvin Bush head of security at WTC, 2.3 trillion dollars filched from Pentagon, sniffer dogs withdrawn, freefall etc etc etc.

Trouble is truthers can never let anything go and just recycle the same old rubbish. What actually happens if a real conspiracy is properly investigated is what happened with Watergate and Woodward and Bernstein. They established peg points which they could confirm, threw out stuff they couldn't, and moved on. Truthers on the other hand just collect theories like moss on a rolling stone and never confirm or reject anything. No wonder no-one takes the resultant mess seriously.

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Debunked!?

I clearly remember a BBC interview with one of the hijackers who supposedly died on 9/11 in the OS.

Originally posted by ritualmurder911

Originally posted by Section31
9/11 conspiracy theories will only die on the floor in which they began. All these theories are personal assumptions (rumors) being spread.

so video evidence of two towers collapsing (both which looked like controlled demolitions)
are *rumours*? and in the case of pentagon the lack of video evidence clearly showing a
boeing hitting the building is also a *rumour*?

omg how low can you shills stoop?

edit on 24-9-2010 by ritualmurder911 because: (no reason given)

The collapse of the Towers looked absolutely nothing like controlled demolition. I do not know how you have the gall to claim it. You did notice they collapsed from the point of plane impacts did you ?

Originally posted by Alfie1

Originally posted by nickspm
We know that the "official version" of 9/11 is false because seven of the 19 alleged hijackers were later found to still be alive.

Your post frankly exemplifies why trutherism is going nowhere. The hi-jackers alive was debunked years ago but of course it still keeps being dragged up along with Marvin Bush head of security at WTC, 2.3 trillion dollars filched from Pentagon, sniffer dogs withdrawn, freefall etc etc etc.

Trouble is truthers can never let anything go and just recycle the same old rubbish. What actually happens if a real conspiracy is properly investigated is what happened with Watergate and Woodward and Bernstein. They established peg points which they could confirm, threw out stuff they couldn't, and moved on. Truthers on the other hand just collect theories like moss on a rolling stone and never confirm or reject anything. No wonder no-one takes the resultant mess seriously.

Isn't the Bay of Pigs, Watergate, Northwoods ect. proof enough that the government would do some serioulsy shiesty sh!t?

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THIS IS ABOUT 9/11 NOT OTHER CONSPIRACIES

Sorry couldn't resist. Had to get you before the deceivers did

Originally posted by mryanbrown
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THIS IS ABOUT 9/11 NOT OTHER CONSPIRACIES

Sorry couldn't resist. Had to get you before the deceivers did

Yeah..but from a logic perspective..."They've did it before, chances are, they'll do it again." The best way to predict the "future" is to take a look at the past. So did they have a change of heart on 9/11. I'll bet my oreo @ss and moderately sized balls...they didn't.

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They looked exactly like a controlled demolition to me. You can really tell by how neatly the debris fell within its self.

reply to post by Jenisiz


I have never imagined that governments , even in the democratic west, are whiter than white. I don't think we really want them to be . We want them to protect us as a first duty.

So, the Bay of Pigs was orchestrated to try and topple a hostile regime close to the US, using anti-regime exiles from that country . Watergate was just a piece of inter-party dirty tricks not designed to hurt anybody and Norhtwoods never left the drawing board.

None of those things you mentioned was designed to hurt a hair on the head of any US citizen and so are not remotely like an event killing near 3000 people.