You don't mutilate your daughters - why do you mutilate your sons ? (Discussion concerning human se

reply to post by Kailassa

Yes, I know how stupid that shyness is, but that's how I was.

My brother-in-law was the same. I'll get to that below...
We had my daughter 1st & she suffered from terrible nappy-rash (dunno what you call it in USA: soreness caused by diapers) until we decided to turn 1/2 of our living room into a super-easy-to-clean space that she could crawl around in without having to be wrapped up the whole time. We found that washing her too much made the problem worse, so we ended up doing pretty much what you described: a good soaping 1st & then a mess about in the water. We were obsessed with E45 cream for a while also, but one time we were away & forgot to pack the big tub of it. It was a bank holiday weekend back in the early 90s so we couldn't get any more. Guess what? She was completely ok without it.
We had my son 2yrs later &, by that stage, we were experts! Dip the kid in the water; handfull of mild soap lather; put the kid back in the water: easy (you can do it 1/2 asleep, which is just as 'kin well because he didn't sleep anywhere near as long as my daughter!).
My sister had my niece much later. One time we were all on holiday together & the chicas were soaking up the rays. My BIL was having a really painful looking time changing my niece, so I took over. He was doing a crap job anyway. Still, this provided an opportunity to show my kids what needs to be done. It was a great game for them & turned into a major bonus for us adults too, because as soon as we were satisfied that my kids had the right idea, we could leave them to look after the baby (within earshot obviously). Still, even 5mins of being able to partially put down the responsibility for kids is gold, eh?
I feel pretty confident now that if somehow their mum & I were to die before my kids have any of their own, they've got enough personal experience to not get dragged into the latest media fad.

I dont see what the big deal is.... You take your daughter to get her ears pierced when she is tiny and you don't consider that mulilation do you? You are making some huge deal about this thing that is a normal practice. Girls that are normal PREFER it. Excess skin causes your "head" to remain dirty and it makes you stink and taste horrible to a woman. I want to see ANY medical documents that shows anything about how its bad for you. And as for it being trauma to the baby...... Babies minds at that stage are unable to produce long term memory for the most part. Do you remember when you were born? Do you remember when your mom brought you home from the hospital? Do you remember pooping your pants as a baby? The answer to all these is no.


Mutilation or maiming is an act or physical injury that degrades the appearance or function of any living body, usually without causing death.

So what function is degraded? Everything still works.....
As for the appearance------ looks a lot better and doesn't smell

Mutilation is more like when you cut off someone's arm or tounge or burn their face with acid

reply to post by Reign02


Your missing the point...

Taking your daughter to have her ears pierced isn't the same as she has a say in the practice i.e. she wants her ear pierced so she asks and you take her.

Circumcision is performed when the baby male has no say in the matter.

I know people that take their 2 year olds and even infants that are younger than 1....... So I am not missing the point.

Originally posted by Reign02
I know people that take their 2 year olds and even infants that are younger than 1....... So I am not missing the point.

Okay well I don't agree with that either, I think the only person who should have a say in whats done to their body is the that person themself.

I'm not against Circumcision, I just think that it's not really fair for parents for make the decision to have their baby boys foreskin cut off when the individual has no say in it.

I also find it hilarious that amount of replies that have come across as so anti-foreskin i.e. "I don't need a foreskin" etc etc

With regards to having no foreskin being cleaner, well I've an uncircumcised male and I've never had any complaints from women in that area. As already discussed, if you have good personal hygiene you won't have a problem...

Edit to add: Sex smells! I'm not saying that people should be unclean down below but unless you've literally just come out of the shower/bath there will always be a body odour, it's called your natural scent.

Just thought I would post these two threads from Yahoo answers, they pretty much back up what I've been saying:

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it depends on the person's hygiene, *SHOWERS are for being clean* if a circumcised man doesnt shower it'll be dirty, the whole USA myth that circucmision will be "clean" is so dumb, in fact countries that circumcise the most (middle eastern/muslim ones and the US) have higher STI and HIV rates, so all circumcision really does is scar and dry the penis, NOTHING ELSE!

Can you imagine the outcry if there was some new medical study indicating that a woman's clitorous needs to be removed to lessen the chance of this or that happening. It's all about sexism.

I am a complete mess.Upon the birth of my child, I elected not to circumcise my son. My boyfriend (father of the child) at the time didn't necessarily agree, but didn't object either. He said if it were up to him, he would have had the procedure done, but he never acted like it bothered him too much. We have since split up. He has our son this week (going to visit his mother), and sent me an email stating his reasoning for getting him cut and his intention of doing it this week! I have tried multiple times to call him to no avail. I have been by his home and nobody is there.Can he do this? He is listed on the birth certificate, so he is by law the father, but does he have this right to do this to our son without my permission? I am sick with worry. Help me please! This is not a decision for me or my husband to make. This is a decision that should be left to the owner of the foreskin - my son.

Link: Isn't working for some reason...

Thought this one was also interesting, again backs up what I've been saying about the individual having the choice to be circumcised - not the parents.

Yep folks, I have nothing better to do than research foreskin

reply to post by sliceNodice

Thank you for your insightful and passionate post.

You are right, men are the second class citizens in America. My son after losing his job and not being able to pay child support. He hasn't seen his daughter in two months.

I offered "mom" 1,500 a month if we could see our grand daughter once a week and if she would not turn this into a fight. But, she prefers this game of alienating her from her father (which isn't working because my grand daughter has told me she loves her father and hates what her mother is doing.

The courts, if you are a male and decide to have a child, be forewarned - in most US Courts, the child is looked upon as the woman's property.

My son has even begged the court to just someone, anyone talk with his daughter - and they will, when she is 12.

You are most correct, men in America are second class citizens.

But, know who your real enemy is.

It is not us women, it is TPTB. They have broken up the strongest unity of humanity, the family.

This in and of itself is another large conspiracy and people just don't see it.

Divide and Conquer Strategy, also known as “Divide and Rule Strategy” is often applied in the arenas of politics and sociology. In Divide and Conquer Strategy one power breaks another power into smaller, more manageable pieces, and then takes control of those pieces one by one. It generally takes a very strong power to implement Divide and Conquer Strategy. In order to successfully break up another power or government, the conqueror must have access to strong political, military, and economic machines.

Furthermore, in order to maintain power and influence, large governments will often work to keep smaller powers and governments from uniting. In fact, this use of the principles within the Divide and Conquer Strategy is most common. It is much easier to prevent small powers from linking forces than to break them apart once they have aligned. Source: www.wisegeek.com...

Now, the fifty million dollar question is who are TPTB?

No, not the President, Congress, Senate, their all puppets.

reply to post by ofhumandescent


Oh please, don't go Sigmund Freud on me. I have no ill effects. I am a normal person. Therefore, I don't care. I've lived through greater trauma and came out of it laughing. So for all intensive purposes, saying what you are saying proves nothing, for there is no tangible proof.

reply to post by Kailassa


I think you'd find nothing, seeing as the baby cannot comprehend to keep food in its mouth yet. I'd pass a guess that childbirth was more painful, what with the skull literally being deformed.

I've never cared much for this cuddle what not "village for a child" theory. I've always been one to simply pass off these cultural nonsense and do it alone. I learned early that my parents are merely people. People who I happen to share genes from. By age 10 my parents were just more teachers in my life for personal issues. I never cared for being comforted. I grew out of the "cuddle with mommy" phase of my life quite young.

Call me a stoic, call me a Vulcan, call me whatever. The most I needed my parents for in life were to teach me, feed me, and smack me when I was retarded. This has no ill effects on my behavior. I love all life. I show respect to all. I've pinned a guy to the wall for trying to push a woman down a flight of stairs. I have not suffered from my lifestyle in terms of social, emotional, or other issues.

Quite frankly, I reject the notion I ever needed parents past the age of 10.

To stake a claim that I would beat other people if I was beaten as a kid, or be a troubled youth because I was circumcision, or be an emotional wreck if my parents did not love me is nothing short of stupid.

My parents didn't even sleep in the same bed. My parents hated each other. My parents should have gotten a divorce. Did this make me hate women? Did this make me be a D-bag guy? No. It made the young child I was realize what not to look for in a marriage and a relationship. Watching my parents scream and yell and getting material goods as a kid did not make me a spoiled troubled youth. It made me realize that material goods are useless for emotions. It made me realize how to respect women. It made me realize what not to be as a man.

This nonsense "protect the children" policy does nothing by create ignorant children who repeat the mistakes of their past. I shot my first German in a video game when I was 8. And I immediately knew the difference between real and fake, between right and wrong. That murder is wrong.

There is so much you all do not know and you wonder why the world sucks. Look at what you want as parents, as teachers, and leaders of tomorrow. You are designing a failure of a society.

reply to post by Bunken Drum


Extra-virgin olive oil, liberally applied with every nappy change, and and change frequently. It's brilliant for nappy rash.
- and no soap.

Originally posted by Gorman91
I have no ill effects. I am a normal person.

You don't know that for sure.
If you'd never been circumcised, you might be a nice person now.

Being normal in an asylum is not necessarily good.

reply to post by Death_Kron


That is cause you are from the UK and most males are not circumsized..... Ask some American women and they will say they prefer penis without the foreskin, I guarantee that atleast 80% will and the other 20% wont care

Although I don't intend on entering a dispute on wether it's best to circumcise or not, it does seem to be a normal procedure in US. At the same time, correct me if I am wrong, isn't it also normal amongst jews?

Considering that the jewish people have so much influence in US(hollywood alone would give them the power to potentially form opinions on the whole american society), wouldn't those myths, or if you prefer, excuses for circumcision be created and propagated by a select group with an agenda?

Could this be the birth of a new conspiracy theory? The Zionist Agenda to Circumcise All the Penis in the World?

reply to post by Death_Kron


It seems the laws in the UK are as mucked up as the laws in the US………………Once divorced the other parent has little or no say so in their child’s major events, unless the parent is that has custody is mature enough to put the needs of their child ahead of their vindictiveness and realize how damaging "getting back at the ex" is to a child.

reply to post by Gorman91

I agree with some of what you said.
One is not necessarily the product of the events of one's childhood.

It's easiest to follow the examples you've grown up with, and to become bitter over harms done to you. It's like a trench dug in a path for you.

Or you can choose to climb out of that trench, work out the principles you want to live by, and be guided by them.

Having had an appalling childhood myself, I'm disgusted when I hear people using their unhappy childhoods as an excuse for things. We can all make our own choices.

reply to post by Reign02


Ear piercing is not painful. I am very sensitive to pain and it did not hurt.

Now, down there.........................is VERY SENSITIVE, even for males.

If a boy says mom, dad I want to have this procedure done, fine.

But after having the trauma of birth you couple it with tying him down to a board and slicing off a sensitive piece of him for cosmetic purposes.

Ever figure the foreskin might be there for a reason?

reply to post by Gorman91


You sound like you have had a harsh life.

I feel sorry your heart is so hardened.

reply to post by henriquefd


Very insightful post.

Yes you are awake and aware.

Originally posted by Reign02
reply to post by Death_Kron

 

That is cause you are from the UK and most males are not circumsized..... Ask some American women and they will say they prefer penis without the foreskin, I guarantee that atleast 80% will and the other 20% wont care

What's got to do with me being from the UK?

I don't agree with Circumcision's taking place because the individual doesn't have a say in the matter, as I've already mentioned no one should be able to give permission to remove parts of someone elses body.

Those American women you speak about are very ignorant and absent minded, I've never known a man to prefer a women with no Clitoris...

These particular women your talking about are sexually ignorant because if they knew the amount of pleasure that can be had from having a foreskin they wouldn't object to a man having one, unless they were completely sexually selfish and only interested in their own pleasure...