A message from above? Dove shaped cloud forms on eve of Pope's visit

Originally posted by Haydn_17
reply to post by badw0lf

 

Still not concrete evidence that God didnt form the cloud to look like a Dove.

edit on 17-9-2010 by Haydn_17 because: (no reason given)

Actually, that doesn't look like a Dove to me, it looks like a flying demon..

Can you prove to me without a shadow of a doubt that it isn't a flying demon? I want concrete proof that god didn't make a demon cloud to warn of the visit...else clearly its a demon...come on...concrete evidence.

Originally posted by hippomchippo
I find it amazing that this is actually in a credible newspaper.

LoL, credible newspaper. it's a newspaper for idiots imo, its main content is celebrity news

reply to post by SaturnFX


Fanatical mindset?

"Florence Nightingale became a living legend as the 'Lady with the Lamp'. She led the nurses caring for thousands of soldiers during the Crimean War and helped save the British army from medical disaster."

"In 1982, at the height of the Siege of Beirut, Mother Teresa rescued 37 children trapped in a front line hospital by brokering a temporary cease-fire between the Israeli army and Palestinian guerrillas."
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!Isaac Newton: Newton was born into the Anglican church and publicly conformed to it." At about age 30 he came to believe "that Trinitarianism was a fraud and that Arianism was the true form of primitive Christianity. Newton held these views, very privately, until the end of his life. On his death bed he refused to receive the sacrament of the Anglican church."

Newton died in 1727, and was buried in Westminster Abbey [an Anglican church], the first scientist to be accorded that honor.
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Galileo remained a devout Catholic throughout his life.
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Shakespeare appears to have lived as an Anglican, but there are scholars who believe that he secretly subscribed to the Catholicism of his family heritage.

Yes they were of a fanatical mindet obviously

What is the matter with you people, if God can be arsed to make a special cloud for the pope, why cant he put his hand to something useful like feeding the poor, using his cloud magic to create rain for those who are starving in africa due to drought. Does God not like Africans or something? Are they not praying hard enough. Does God only use his special cloud making powers for the popes visit to London.

Does this sound like an entity you want to worship and love, a selfish cloud making magician.

reply to post by SaturnFX


No i cant prove it isnt a demon, thats my point, havnt you caught on to it yet?

You still cant prove it isnt a sign from god, nor can i prove it isnt a demon.

reply to post by BIONICLE ALEX


Dear God. You creationist make me laugh. Who are you going to worship or demonize next?
www.hennessy.id.au...
Looks like God was created by man all along.

Originally posted by Haydn_17
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

No i cant prove it isnt a demon, thats my point, havnt you caught on to it yet?

You still cant prove it isnt a sign from god, nor can i prove it isnt a demon.

This is a really childish standpoint you have here Haydn

reply to post by woodwardjnr


God doesn't intervene because that is interferring with our free will.

If god started feeding the poor, then all of the countries in the world would depend on god for everything, people would start praying for more bigger and selfish things.

If God did exist thats my opinion as to why God only sends subtle signs which dont interfere with day to day life.

reply to post by woodwardjnr


Not really

Originally posted by Haydn_17
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

!Isaac Newton: Newton was born into the Anglican church and publicly conformed to it." At about age 30 he came to believe "that Trinitarianism was a fraud and that Arianism was the true form of primitive Christianity. Newton held these views, very privately, until the end of his life. On his death bed he refused to receive the sacrament of the Anglican church."

Newton died in 1727, and was buried in Westminster Abbey [an Anglican church], the first scientist to be accorded that honor.
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Galileo remained a devout Catholic throughout his life.
-
Shakespeare appears to have lived as an Anglican, but there are scholars who believe that he secretly subscribed to the Catholicism of his family heritage.

Yes they were of a fanatical mindet obviously

Few things here
Newton was arguably an agnostic, although agnosticism was not really an option back then...basically if you had an open mind, you had to commit to something, and you had to not make waves else be shunned from society at best

Galileo was sooo not a catholic. He was a thorn in the side of the church from his heresay and talk of science.
a quick breakdown that sums him up best.
(warning, colorful words now and then)


ok, so there have been religious people in history that did great things...shall I match it with religious people in history that have done horrible things?

Religion is the bane of society...institutional religion, the rejection of science, choosing superstition over evidence...these things have hobbled our progression for thousands upon thousands of years...up until recently (historically), signs from God have been given more respect and credibility than hard science, and typically to disasterous ends...I think its high time we ignore all religious overtones when viewing the world and simply understand the science behind it. If you want to have some passion in what you view, then consider the art beside it

hey, thats a cool cloud, looks like a dove..makes me happy.. That is fine
Hey, that cloud looks like a dove..it must be a sign from God ... That is not cool

If you cannot understand this, then I would suggest you do a bit of research on history to see how wonderful nations have acted based on accepting signs of religious significance.

Originally posted by Haydn_17
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

No i cant prove it isnt a demon, thats my point, havnt you caught on to it yet?

You still cant prove it isnt a sign from god, nor can i prove it isnt a demon.

Then we must assume it is neither until further evidence comes to support the claim that it is.

pretty simple...

I cannot prove that a flicker of light in the sky is an angel coming to rescue me from idiots on the earth...so until there is more evidence to support that, then I will simply think it was just that...a flicker of light.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Its good you understand that now.

I think someone once saw Michael Jackson in the clouds after he died.

In other words, there was no sign of anything but illusions and false hope.

Originally posted by Haydn_17
reply to post by hippomchippo

 

I never said i did beleive its a sign. Im not even religous, but im open minded.

I just want you to prove that it isnt.

Errrm it doesn't work like that. It's a cloud. The onus is on YOU to prove it's something more significant. Looking like a bird doesn't cut it, I'm afraid!

Talk about clutching at straws.

I can see a mushroom too (bit like the mushroom cloud after a nuke)...hang on a sec ...nuke...devestation...Pope...religion........ ....maybe, as it coincides with the Pope's visit, it is a reminder of the destruction that religion can produce?

Yep, i'll go with that one.

I bet anyone could find a shape there to fit any theory if they wanted.

CX.

Surely the real question is why did God make a cloud which briefly looked vaguely like a bird when seen from a certain angle over Bristol a city the Pope is going nowhere near on his current tour?

Is it a sign he should have gone there? Or that Bristolians are blessed that he isn't?

Originally posted by CX
Talk about clutching at straws.

I can see a mushroom too (bit like the mushroom cloud after a nuke)...hang on a sec ...nuke...devestation...Pope...religion........

....maybe, as it coincides with the Pope's visit, it is a reminder of the destruction that religion can produce?

Er, well now you mention it .......

Cloud of doom: Chilling picture of a 'nuclear' mushroom over Kent



(also from the Daily Fail)

I'll swear there was a cloud that looked like a rasher of bacon over my house the other night. Is this an omen for Muslims?

reply to post by Essan


Lol thats funny.

My mushroom isn't quite as big as yours unfortunately...but i won't be shouting that one out.

CX.

reply to post by woodwardjnr


Why don't you take some food to the poor. We are all capable of helping people. Nobody does though, they just talk about it.