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Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by Amaterasu
Yeah. Have they asked the families if they can release the names? I guess we can only speculate. In all cases - unless a family came forward - we just have to trust that when they say that body is of someone on the plane, killed in a crash, then that is what it is, and not a Hollywood set or a shot from an entirely different place and time. I would think there would be an effort to ask families to come forth to relieve us of our doubt.
Explain how personal effects of the passengers on AA77, like an engraved wedding ring, are fake?
Example Susan Calley ring was found on her remains and returned to her family.....
Originally posted by Amaterasu
Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by Amaterasu
Yeah. Have they asked the families if they can release the names? I guess we can only speculate. In all cases - unless a family came forward - we just have to trust that when they say that body is of someone on the plane, killed in a crash, then that is what it is, and not a Hollywood set or a shot from an entirely different place and time. I would think there would be an effort to ask families to come forth to relieve us of our doubt.
Explain how personal effects of the passengers on AA77, like an engraved wedding ring, are fake?
Example Susan Calley ring was found on her remains and returned to her family.....
Hmmm. I don't believe that I said they were fake. In fact, I can think of several ways they could have been obtained and planted. Also... Perhaps we are merely told that Susan was killed as she seemingly was, and that the body died elsewhere under differing situations.
You also might notice that I am not saying this DID happen. Just that it could have, and if it could have, we can't rule out clever plans of nefarious nature. (Many examples of such clever plans can be found in history, so we might presume there would be those who would take advantage of what they have to work with in creating a myth to cover their nefarious plans...)
Why do so many not consider other ways things could have come about rather than jumping to embrace any datum as a child might the security blanket, claiming it proves anything?
Okay this is actually a reply to my original question. Others have said the bodies reported found from Flight 77 , was simply a lie by the government, since they lied about many other things related to that day. Thanks!! I know it's a theory, but it was an actual answer to the OP. Maybe someone else will take a shot at explaining the bodies or lack of?
Originally posted by Chordz
A 757 never hit the pentagon. From the FDR report the radar altitude was 287 feet above ground, the NTSB tries to confuse the public using pressure altitudes but the rad alt is an actual altitude. Anyone can look at the NTSB flight report and apply the altitude pressure corrections and see for yourself. At 287 feet 2 seconds before impact, the rate of decent is not possible as what is seen in the released footage is an object flying along the ground horizontally into the pentagon. Yes people witnessed a 57 flying towards the pentagon but it flew over at low altitude.
Originally posted by Chordz
A fly over would match up quite well to his findings.
originally posted by: CitizenW
Just spoke with a co-worker yesterday (former firefighter) who participated in the FEMA directed cleanup at the Pentagon.
This is a good-hearted guy and a competent emergency response professional just doing his job to support what appeared to him to have been a legitimate catastrophe.
yet you choose to believe random you tube videos or blogs from someone you dont know,
originally posted by: UpIsNowDown
originally posted by: CitizenW
Just spoke with a co-worker yesterday (former firefighter) who participated in the FEMA directed cleanup at the Pentagon.
This is a good-hearted guy and a competent emergency response professional just doing his job to support what appeared to him to have been a legitimate catastrophe.
so even someone you describe in good terms you dont believe, yet you choose to believe random you tube videos or blogs from someone you dont know, I hope your co worker believes more of what you tell him
Christopher French, a professor of psychology at Goldsmiths, University of London, explains:
Although conspiracy beliefs can occasionally be based on a rational analysis of the evidence, most of the time they are not. As a species, one of our greatest strengths is our ability to find meaningful patterns in the world around us and to make causal inferences. We sometimes, however, see patterns and causal connections that are not there, especially when we feel that events are beyond our control.
The attractiveness of conspiracy theories may arise from a number of cognitive biases that characterize the way we process information. “Confirmation bias” is the most pervasive cognitive bias and a powerful driver of belief in conspiracies. We all have a natural inclination to give more weight to evidence that supports what we already believe and ignore evidence that contradicts our beliefs. The real-world events that often become the subject of conspiracy theories tend to be intrinsically complex and unclear. Early reports may contain errors, contradictions and ambiguities, and those wishing to find evidence of a cover-up will focus on such inconsistencies to bolster their claims.
“Proportionality bias,” our innate tendency to assume that big events have big causes, may also explain our tendency to accept conspiracies. This is one reason many people were uncomfortable with the idea that President John F. Kennedy was the victim of a deranged lone gunman and found it easier to accept the theory that he was the victim of a large-scale conspiracy.
Another relevant cognitive bias is “projection.” People who endorse conspiracy theories may be more likely to engage in conspiratorial behaviors themselves, such as spreading rumors or tending to be suspicious of others' motives. If you would engage in such behavior, it may seem natural that other people would as well, making conspiracies appear more plausible and widespread. Furthermore, people who are strongly inclined toward conspiratorial thinking will be more likely to endorse mutually contradictory theories. For example, if you believe that Osama bin Laden was killed many years before the American government officially announced his death, you are also more likely to believe that he is still alive.
None of the above should indicate that all conspiracy theories are false. Some may indeed turn out to be true. The point is that some individuals may have a tendency to find such theories attractive. The crux of the matter is that conspiracists are not really sure what the true explanation of an event is—they are simply certain that the “official story” is a cover-up.
At least there is only 1 OS (whether true or not)how many different versions of events have been provided by non OS believers
based on the fact he does not believe what was reported from MSM
You seem to be cherry picking my statement, what do you think of his co worker friend, is he lying or is he gullable and was he decieved on the day of the tragic event, as this is someone who according to CitizenW was there on the scene
originally posted by: UpIsNowDown
a reply to: Informer1958
CitizenW described his friend as
"This is a good-hearted guy and a competent emergency response professional"
Shame we dont have more faith in each other