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Originally posted by LeftWingLarry
The data provided doesn't seem to cover the Obama era [Edit: Apart from the first graph] Since Obama seems to be the president that sparked much of this 'Conservative anger', the lack of data from the last six months to a year or so is not very helpful. If anything this seems to be yet another article aimed at portraying 'the other side' as stupid.
edit on 14-9-2010 by LeftWingLarry because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Misoir
Under Obama's first fiscal year of HIS Administration, the Federal Deficit is Down 8%.
So much for the Republican case of Democrats = Budget Deficit, Democrats = High taxes, Democrats = Communism. Any boogeyman you can think of just say Democrats = (Insert Boogeyman).
While this is not some great drop and is still beyond horrifying for our nation, it is still a rather good sign for the economy. It just shocks me that with the Stimulus, Unemployment Extension, State Jobs bill, etc... The Deficit went down 8% anyway. That is truly a shock to me.
We all know that under Democrats the deficit usually goes down... even if it is just 8%.
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by NoHierarchy
Of course, you can prove anything that you want, by selectively picking the parameters. A much fairer look at tax rates is provided here:
www.truthandpolitics.org...
It shows the top marginal rate for every year since its inception, through 2003.
Of course, the top marginal rate, which has ranged from a low of 7% to a high of 94%, does not tell the whole story, and in fact, obscures more significant data, such as average tax rate, percentage of people in each bracket, etc. In addition, other factors, such as what goes into the calculation of Total Gross Taxable income, tax credits, etc. make comparisons almost impossible. Furthermore, since social security taxes have increased, both in rates and in upper limits, comparisons are virtually meaningless.
Tell me what you want to prove, and I can find data to prove it, as well as other data to disprove it. It's called marketing.
Common examples are the auto insurance commercials you see on TV. Every company states how much the average driver saved by switching from Company X to their company. However, that, is of course, a completely MEANINGLESS statistic. People whose premiums are LESS with Company X won't SWITCH, so of course, the people who switched saved money.
Listen closely to every commercial on TV, and listen for the operative words. As I said, you can prove anything you want with statistics. The question is- are those statistics meaningful to the situation at hand? In the case of the OP post, the answer is NO.
edit on 15-9-2010 by ProfEmeritus because: typo
Originally posted by NoHierarchy
Do you REALLY think much has changed to those figures in the past 2 years that warrants such outrage? Highly unlikely.
And do you REALLY deny that right-wingers in this country are generally quite politically ignorant? I don't.
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Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by infolurker
Conveniantly you forgot to read this part of my thread.
While this is not some great drop and is still beyond horrifying for our nation, it is still a rather good sign for the economy. It just shocks me that with the Stimulus, Unemployment Extension, State Jobs bill, etc... The Deficit went down 8% anyway. That is truly a shock to me.
We all know that under Democrats the deficit usually goes down... even if it is just 8%.