Iran crosses critical line for nuclear arming missles

reply to post by brisk002

Lebanese army snipers soldiers were put up by Hizballah to ambush Israeli troops and shoot dead Col. Dov Harari.

(Israel’s only response was to knock out two Lebanese APCs klling three Lebanese troops, and issuing warnings relayed by US intermediaries that the IDF would meet further incidents by wiping out the entire Lebanese military system in the space of four hours.)

Gotta love Israel..One IDF killed and Israel's "only" response was to kill "3" Lebanese troops..

I didn't write this stuff, its from same article...Great unbiased site, not!!

Yet another Israeli "you should all go kill our enemies for us" whiney speech.

Seriously, Israel wants any opposition to it's planned expansion silenced and removed by everyone else, like we somehow owe them something. Well, sorry Israel, we owe you nothing and I will do everything possible to lobby my own government - already Israeli occupied territory - to keep the hell out of any Israeli instigated conflict.

The whole "Iranian threat" issue is trotted out at every opportunity. Even the recently announced massive US / Saudi arms deal is reported to be to counter the Iranian threat. Seriously, what threat?
The Saudi deal is nothing more than a money recycling exercise and commercial opportunity for some Saudi royalty and the arms industry.

Anyone got the ex-Mossad guys email address? I'd love the opportunity to reply to his idiotic ravings personally.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


I agree with you on rehashing the lets go to war mentality there. I suppose what makes me sick about people allowing the military to control so much, is its all for profit and not safety. I for one have done my military service, I have NEVER started a fight but never backed away from one either.

WE HAVE NO BUSINESS in other countries until and if they attack our home, plain and simple, "WAR FOR PROFIT" needs to stop.

can i just once sign onto ats and read a thread without seeing the word "Zionist" every 4 posts?

theres a huge group of you on here that dislike israel, we get it.

reply to post by RelentlessLurker

can i just once sign onto ats and read a thread without seeing the word "Zionist" every 4 posts?

theres a huge group of you on here that dislike israel, we get it.

Not sure I've seen Zionist mentioned but mate,

we don't ask Israel to do the things they do..

They do them because they think they are Gods chosen and God will protect them...

As it is written..

reply to post by CynicalM


and what does that have to do with the thread?

what does it ever have to do with the thread?

the thread could literally be about rabid epileptic smurfs taking over a grocery store, and somehow it would get turned into a discussion about "evil zionist israel"

"theres a huge group of you on here that dislike israel, we get it...."

This demographic is the same throughout the World..... the majority are sick and tired, as well as revolted, by israels inhuman behaviour towards Palestinians.....

Anybody with a soul feels this way...

reply to post by tyranny22


Utter rubbish. Iran is a threat to not only Israel but also all of Europe, USA and other Arab nations.

reply to post by brisk002


So basically Iran hits a milestone most Western countries passed 60 years ago and I'm meant to care why?

Even if they did make a missile. Which I think would be incredibly stupid of them right now. (Even if it is the only thing that saves them from being attacked) they are still decades behind us technologically and their missiles would be shot down.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by tyranny22

 

Utter rubbish. Iran is a threat to not only Israel but also all of Europe, USA and other Arab nations.

Hogwash. I have never seen anything to convince me that Iran is anything more than a really annoying toothless dragon. There are much more dangerous people and governments in the Middle East that pose a real threat to their neighbors. Some of these dangerous groups have even launched unprovoked attacks.

i cant believe how scared everybody is of iran. dont get me wrong its all for good reason, however iran is in no position to to use said nukes for quite some time. not on US anyway. Iran is in the world stage spotlight.

on the other hand, North Korea ALREADY HAS THEM, HAS ALREADY TESTED THEM (in our direction i might add), can shoot them ALL THE WAY HERE, has a psychopathic leader ON HIS DEATHBED WAITING FOR THE GRAND FINALE, and now his TWENTY YEAR OLD successor is ready to come in swingin to impress daddy (and more or less has to show some sort of strength to keep the generals from a coup)

dont get me wrong, i think we should aid our allies but i dont think we need to undermine our own security for israel. if there were no NK threat i would be singing a different tune.

it just seems so contradictory to worry about a lesser threat that isnt even directly aimed at us.

Even if they did make a missile. Which I think would be incredibly stupid of them right now. (Even if it is the only thing that saves them from being attacked) they are still decades behind us technologically and their missiles would be shot down.

As far as missiles are concerned their latest operational ballistic missile is a few years old, is designed to penetrate radar undetected and it utilizes MIRV technology, i.e. amongst other things it is designed to vastly reduce the effectiveness of interceptor missiles.

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Hogwash. I have never seen anything to convince me that Iran is anything more than a really annoying toothless dragon.

Then you aren't looking hard enough. I recommend reading Task Force Black by BBC defence journalist Mark Urban, it's well written and VERY well sourced, there's enough information in there to change your mind.

Originally posted by Soshh

Hogwash. I have never seen anything to convince me that Iran is anything more than a really annoying toothless dragon.

Then you aren't looking hard enough. I recommend reading Task Force Black by BBC defence journalist Mark Urban, it's well written and VERY well sourced, there's enough information in there to change your mind.

That is correct. First off, I don't read war novels or re-tellings of the actions of war. Not my preferred genre. Second, I am not out *looking* for a reason to hate Iran. They are loudmouths and the current regime has done pretty awful things to it's people. I have no problem saying that the current regime in Iran should be replaced, but it should be replaced by it's own populace.

The US has a nasty and annoying habit of involving itself in governments and leaving them in terrible shape. Iran is 100% our fault. We launched Operation Ajax. We need to leave well enough alone and stop interfering.

The mediteranian and middle eastern region has been the center of empire building, fighting, raiding, and all sorts of other barbaric acts for thousands of years. Why on earth does the west think they can fix it?

reply to post by rogerstigers


I don't want you to hate Iran, I don't hate Iran myself, it's important for me to look at things objectively. I just assumed that you wanted to increase your knowledge on this.

You said that you haven't seen anything to make you believe that Iran is a threat and then you say that you aren't even looking. If you accept that you aren't aware of the whole picture and that you aren't interested in finding out any more then surely it was unreasonable of you to wade in and brand someone’s post as "hogwash"?

Originally posted by Soshh
reply to post by rogerstigers

 

I don't want you to hate Iran, I don't hate Iran myself, it's important for me to look at things objectively. I just assumed that you wanted to increase your knowledge on this.

You said that you haven't seen anything to make you believe that Iran is a threat and then you say that you aren't even looking. If you accept that you aren't aware of the whole picture and that you aren't interested in finding out any more then surely it was unreasonable of you to wade in and brand someone’s post as "hogwash"?

Fair enough. You are correct that my gut reaction was not very well informed. You are also correct that I am "not looking hard enough". This is generally why I stay out of these discussions Probably should have stuck to that rule.

reply to post by InvisibleAlbatross


What, Iran cranking out terrorists bent on destroying non-Muslim nations isn't enough of a justification for you? There are many ways a nation can 'attack' without coming right out with an army or a launch of weapons.

reply to post by rogerstigers


I appreciate your honesty and you aren't the only one or the worst by any means. Here we have people criticising news reports for showing bias when they are just as crooked themselves. I don't deny that the US and UK have acted questionably in the past and will do in the future, the UK may in fact be the worst of the two, but it doesn't have to mean that we are always in the wrong or are acting for the wrong reasons.

After 9/11 and the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, people are automatically assuming that in every subsequent conflict there is some hidden agenda and conspiracy, instead of looking at -all- of the available evidence and making an educated decision. There are even some who denounce US reports as propaganda and choose to believe unsophisticated and barely-disguised Iranian propaganda instead.

reply to post by black cat




I have no doubt that it is supporting groups like Hezbollah, but to what extent? And even so, there are other ways to deal with it, rather than bombing the hell out of millions of innocent people.

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by black cat

 

I have no doubt that it is supporting groups like Hezbollah, but to what extent?

And anyone else who fancies pointing a gun at western soldiers. They send them a great deal of money and weaponry. They use experienced ex and active members of friendly paramilitaries to train insurgent groups and militia in the use of Iranian-built weapons and aysmmetric warfare techniques. They select members of insurgent groups and militia, send them back to Iran or move Quds operatives to them, who give them military training of a high standard. They then use these Iranian-trained insurgents (known as Special Groups) to conduct operations planned by Quds. They also use Quds operatives to attack the targets of such insugent groups directly.

For example, when the SAS raided the home of one Iranian-backed insurgent head-honcho by the name of Qais Khazali, they found Iranian EFP bombs and documents showing the transferral from Tehran of monthly installments ranging from $750,000 to $3 million. Another man in his home was an experienced Hezbollah operative who was acting as a contracted tutor for insurgent groups who were playing pass-the-parcel with him. He spilled the beans after three weeks of interrogation pretending to be deaf/blind/dumb.

And even so, there are other ways to deal with it, rather than bombing the hell out of millions of innocent people.

Those "other ways" have been going on for years I'm afraid.