Misogyny: Ruining the Female Male Relationship(esp. in the digital age)

I don't need a Knight in Shining Armour, so that's not something on my wish list anyway.

I have preferences when it comes to whom I am attracted, but don't we all.

reply to post by LoneGunMan


I agree with your idea of anyone, male or female, being distracted and kept too busy and confused to see through the system and that things were used incorrectly. But feminism does indeed mean equality, and was the force behind women 's rights to participate citizens and the vote. Aside from this, the whole game is rigged.
Equal work does not always mean working out, working in is work, nor should someone be forced to work in if they feel called to work outside. And this goes for both men and women though women are more wired this way, there are always exceptions. And yes, I see the true positive male energy as spatial, heroic, creational, teachers, guides, fathers, grandfather, friend, help mate, supportive, and poised to act, often. But...these roles are not set in stone, no one owns each side, we need to balance too as much as we can, but appreciate each other and our wiring, but without controlling or enslaving the other, or diminishing the other, equally relating.

There are many female heros, guides, teachers and creators, and many male nurturers, and artists, counselors, so nothing is set in stone.

reply to post by Unity_99


Being treated equal is what all of humanity deserves. I find it abhorrent that anyone would think of treating a person differently in the work place because of gender. I re-read your [post and I agree with what you are saying. I gave you a star too. I will let the rest of my post stand but it is not directed at you.

I find feminine women to be the finer version of our species. Maybe even more evolved and in many ways more competent than most males I have met. Being treated equal is different than how western feminist women act.

The root word of feminism is fem. Women hold the mystery of creation, they have in them the gateway of the soul. the man can only supply genetics, but women have the miracle of having the soul enter at conception. They are the moral back of our species, the mother and nurturer of the race. They are our future whether that future is a nightmare or a dream depends on what we do about this situation of nearly no one raising our species. The mothers touch...that feminine thing men can only admire and marvel over.

Instead you would rather step out and chase the cheese in this horribly material world?

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
I don't need a Knight in Shining Armour, so that's not something on my wish list anyway.

In these times I wish a Knight in shining Armour would come save my sorry butt. Who wouldn't?

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by Logarock

 

Interesting. I would like to hear more on the problem of men reducing in the 80s and 90s. What was involved in the process?

The whole man was tossed out with the bathwater. Very little of the real essence of manhood was spared. Men are pigs, women do eveything better....

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Look both misogyny AND extremist feminism ruin the relationship between men and women because both standpoints are hateful ones. When a man proclaims women don't deserve equal rights he drives the wedge between the sexes a little bit deeper, at the same time when a woman proclaims men are pigs and uses feminism as a cover she drives the wedge deeper.

In my opinion it is the tit-for-tat attitudes like the one that created this thread that ruins the relationship between men and women.

is there an assumption that male/female relations are any different now than they have ever been?

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It seems that so much rests on the "typical male" or "typical female" notions that many people nowadays chose to invest themselves in. Both men and women alike have had their hearts broken by the opposite sex. This very fact alone shows how equal we really are. We are emotional free thinkings humans that focus far too much on the aspect of male and female. Both women and men alike have the power to destroy their partner emotionally.

The fact of the matter is that men do become worried when facing equality. Not because they all think they are superior to women, but because it's scary to think that women have the courage and freedom to play some of the careless games that men have played in the past. When I was younger, it really did seem like men were evil masterminds that were able to manipulate women into bending at their will. Now the tables have turned and women are out living their own independent lives, seeking their own happiness. What's wrong with that.

Let's face it, everybody on this board has had their hearts broken, and everybody on this board has broken someones heart. When this happens, people do become insecure and tend to point the finger towards the group (male, female) rather than the individual. We see this also in racism and politics. It's much easier to smear a whole group that an individual because humans tend to generalize when emotions are involved.

When it comes down to relationships, if you treat your partner with consideration, love and respect, but feel that it is not being returned, you may be with the wrong individual. It doesn't mean every member of that gender is to be blamed for that individuals' wrong doing because there are no two members of a gender that are exactly alike.

As far as equality goes, let's stop being rediculous; it doesn't exist and never will. There are women who are far superior to most men and there are men who are far superior to most women. It truly is on an individual basis, and it isn't anything new. Some individuals excel, and other allow the gene pool to do the bidding.

Women are going to progress with or without the permission of the male race. It is part of their evolution as well as ours. I'm suprised that more men aren't excited about this. It really isn't about a war between male and female, but rather a chance to let humanity come into its own, the way it should be.

Long story short, it is time to come together and unify rather than creating another pointless war. I'd like to think that the human race has the logic, depth, and intelligence to realize that what is happening in these days of female liberation is the first sign that the veil is slowly being removed, allowing us to see for the first time how things were truly meant to be.

Fellas, I wish I could offer you hope. After exhaustive research on the internet. I can only offer you all this:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/82248cf563e8.gif[/atsimg]

Haha, funny.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
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Look both misogyny AND extremist feminism ruin the relationship between men and women because both standpoints are hateful ones. When a man proclaims women don't deserve equal rights he drives the wedge between the sexes a little bit deeper, at the same time when a woman proclaims men are pigs and uses feminism as a cover she drives the wedge deeper.

In my opinion it is the tit-for-tat attitudes like the one that created this thread that ruins the relationship between men and women.

I keep hearing the men are pigs meme being splattered about the thread. That is not any type of concept I have put forth either in my OP or in any of my posts.

Diversionary tactic from a male sympather? I do not know why this keeps getting brought up as if the topic included it.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by hotbakedtater

 

Look both misogyny AND extremist feminism ruin the relationship between men and women because both standpoints are hateful ones. When a man proclaims women don't deserve equal rights he drives the wedge between the sexes a little bit deeper, at the same time when a woman proclaims men are pigs and uses feminism as a cover she drives the wedge deeper.

In my opinion it is the tit-for-tat attitudes like the one that created this thread that ruins the relationship between men and women.

I keep hearing the men are pigs meme being splattered about the thread. That is not any type of concept I have put forth either in my OP or in any of my posts.

Diversionary tactic from a male sympather? I do not know why this keeps getting brought up as if the topic included it.

I am sorry, but male sympathizer? Does that not show how you feel about men in general? I think anyone can see how the concept of your thread and posts are showing and contributing to the "men are pigs" meme? If you felt like men were equals, couldn't you listen to the arguments and either agree or disagree? I am not a mens rights activist nor a feminist, if anything I am a humanist, and want there to be true equality in all things, not things that are convienent for either gender, race, religion, etc. That being said there are men with various valid gripes that get ignored (currently), just like in the past there were women with various gripes that got ignored (and to a certain extent currently). In this day and age, for the most part the pendulum is swinging the other direction and the pendulum being at either extreme is bad, and does nothing but separates and keeps people apart.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
I keep hearing the men are pigs meme being splattered about the thread. That is not any type of concept I have put forth either in my OP or in any of my posts.

Diversionary tactic from a male sympather? I do not know why this keeps getting brought up as if the topic included it.

I never said you were calling men pigs but it's interesting to see how you read that, it suggests a disbelief regarding the issue that men can be (and are) descriminated against by an extremist section of feminism. Do you know why it keeps being brought up? Because it's used pretty often by some of the leading lights of the feminist movement and some men are rather tired of it.

It's also very interesting you us the term of "male sympathiser", well hang on a moment is that a bad thing? If it is then equally being a female sympathiser is a bad thing and you seem to be a female sympathiser! No i'm not a male sympathiser, i'm simply an eqaulist, i will fight for the rights of both men and women, for them both to be treated the same way, judged on their abilities only.

You have created a thread that while seemingly against misogyny appears to be more about beating people into agreement and calling anyone who even shows the mildest bit of concern about men losing some rights as disgusting sexists.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
I keep hearing the men are pigs meme being splattered about the thread. That is not any type of concept I have put forth either in my OP or in any of my posts.

Diversionary tactic from a male sympather? I do not know why this keeps getting brought up as if the topic included it.

I never said you were calling men pigs but it's interesting to see how you read that, it suggests a disbelief regarding the issue that men can be (and are) descriminated against by an extremist section of feminism. Do you know why it keeps being brought up? Because it's used pretty often by some of the leading lights of the feminist movement and some men are rather tired of it.

It's also very interesting you us the term of "male sympathiser", well hang on a moment is that a bad thing? If it is then equally being a female sympathiser is a bad thing and you seem to be a female sympathiser! No i'm not a male sympathiser, i'm simply an eqaulist, i will fight for the rights of both men and women, for them both to be treated the same way, judged on their abilities only.

You have created a thread that while seemingly against misogyny appears to be more about beating people into agreement and calling anyone who even shows the mildest bit of concern about men losing some rights as disgusting sexists.

edit on 17-9-2010 by ImaginaryReality1984 because: Because i misquoted someone

amen and well put!

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Well put. Let us hope the OP has a "Oh, he does have a point..." moment. Maybe she is not too far up the Feminism ladder to see the Double Standards and Hypocrisy.

I guess I am too far up that ladder I do not see where I am being hypocritical.

Let us hope the OP has a "Oh, he does have a point..." moment. Maybe she is not too far up the Feminism ladder to see the Double Standards and Hypocrisy.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
I guess I am too far up that ladder I do not see where I am being hypocritical.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater
I guess I am too far up that ladder I do not see where I am being hypocritical.

It is hypocritical to disregard someones concerns by calling them a male sympathiser while simultaneously promoting a movement which is most notably associated with protecting the rights of women (being a female sympathiser).

Either both positions are bad or both positions are good, favouring either means you are being hypocritical when you speak of equality.


reply to post by AzoriaCorp


Your last reply added nothing to this debate at all and i'm sorry but you seem to be rather on the male side looking at your replies in the feminism thread. At least try and be fair.

Originally posted by hotbakedtater

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by hotbakedtater

 

Look both misogyny AND extremist feminism ruin the relationship between men and women because both standpoints are hateful ones. When a man proclaims women don't deserve equal rights he drives the wedge between the sexes a little bit deeper, at the same time when a woman proclaims men are pigs and uses feminism as a cover she drives the wedge deeper.

In my opinion it is the tit-for-tat attitudes like the one that created this thread that ruins the relationship between men and women.

I keep hearing the men are pigs meme being splattered about the thread. That is not any type of concept I have put forth either in my OP or in any of my posts.

Diversionary tactic from a male sympather? I do not know why this keeps getting brought up as if the topic included it.

That is the whole purpose of this kind of attack and the ones talking like this are representatives of the word Misogyny, they are defining it.

This about equality, not singling out perceived injustices that have happened to themselves or a friend, or a bad experience with a woman.

Women percieve many injustices, and many share horrific experiences with a man. One of my friends, the father of her child and a common law husband criticized her for doing the dishes her way, ie. letting them dry on their own instead of drying them and putting them away.

When she refused, it escalated into a violent argument whereby, he chased her around the townhouse with a chain saw, turned on. She was runnning literally for her life and jumped out of the second story window, leaving her baby with him. On a broken ankle, she managed to flag down help. The police finally came. In the meantime, he had put the chainsaw away and disarrayed the entire kitchen and smashed cups. Then he told them, she threw a hissy fit, and smashed up the kitchen. She was unbalanced, like so many women are. They did not even check the house where the would have found the still warm chain saw.

When men complain about things, they're usually not (there are exceptions on both sides) in the same level of danger danger that women do.

She is just one of my friends, another friend escaped her abusive ex, with her children, hitchhiking through the woods, after he held a shotgun to her head.