2 UFO's filmed over water on News (NEW)

I am with kite surfers on this one if you look at the link that Free Spirit posted Free spirit's link from 5 mins to 5.20 you can see the shape of the sail as it turns, gives you a half moon shape. Kite sail

Another thing is you wouldnt see the surfer because the way the waves are heading shows the direction of the wind ( top right to left bottom of screen) , hence the surfer would be behind the sail. Also if you look at the waves it isnt a strong wind, they would need a big sails

Buck rogers may be best to post your videos in another thread because i doubt you will get any feed back in this one

Wal

Originally posted by Ben81
those 2 things have a certain behavior .. = remote control flying object... thats a fact

I see nothing in this footage that implies remote control, but that's just me.

If they were let's say remote controlled helicopters, wouldn't the most idiotic thing be to fly them right over the water? One gust of wind or one wrong move, and they land in the water, ruined and impossible to retrieve?

In any case, now we know that Australian TV stopped evolving in the 90's, after having seen the X-files. Jesus, are we ever going to see a News Broadcast on UFOs where the producer decides NOT to play the X-Files theme, and crack witty jokes about nutty things seen by nutty people? Someone please send them Leslie Kean's new book, get them informed.

Originally posted by Golden Rule
They wouldn't be smirking after a decent anal probing by ETs

Hm, could you arrange that? How much?

Originally posted by Phage
It looks like a couple of kiteboarders to me. I've seen a lot of them.
The kites are significantly larger than sailboard kites. They can be seen at good distance, far enough so that the riders can be difficult to see (particularly in low light conditions).

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Totally agree with you and Noumea is a well known for kite-surfing. I could even see the occasional splash when the surfer hit the water, although you cannot actually see the two surfers because of the distance.

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At a range just shy of 1 mile??? Wow, get those 2 blokes play Aussie Rules and put em at Full Forward, cause they would be at least 20 foot tall I'm guessing, and no one would be able to out mark them.

And as for what they could be, well I honestly have no idea. I thought about maybe Channel Markers, but then they would have Navigation lights on them. So that's out of the question. To be honest, they should be just classified as Unidentified Objects, since noone knows if they are flying, part of the water, or what. Shall be interesting to see if they can be identified.

I see two square shapes (black) One moving slightly right (maybe) the one closer seems to be pulled to the right (by a fishing line) at a faster pace as in the same motion (it drops down) which it would do if pulled by a fishing line.

Why O why does the camera always cut off?

If the UFOs sucked energy from the camera... why are the lights on the house there not affected or dimmed.

The far one never really seems to move at all.

I watched the video before I read any comments, and my first impression was kitesurfers. After reading through, I see others thought the same.

However, I don't believe it is two kitesurfers, but one. Has anyone else noticed that one of the objects, the one further back, remains practically stationary the entire time? To see this, slide the position slider quickly back and forth (on the original video), and you can see that one of the objects stays still. At first I was focused on the moving object, then later noticed one of them wasn't moving, except for the shaky movements. My opinion is that one of them is a boat positioned further back, while the one obviously moving appears to be a kitesurfer.

I have seen many kitesurfers, they can be bloody quick, even in fairly low windspeeds, and the movement appears to be typical of a kite. In the first video, at approximately 4:30, you see the 'kite' dip down and swoop back up again, so it appears almost above the shoreline in the background. This is a very common movement for a kite used by a kitesurfer. It's hard to tell, but at the same time there also appears to be a bit of a white spot below the kite, which could possibly be the whitewash from the surfer. The video is not of adequate quality to judge such minor details though.

I don't know why they assume a kite would appear "more opaque". In these low level light conditions, that looks exactly as one would appear. In summary, I believe one of the objects is a boat that is relatively stationary and further away, while the other is a kitesurfer. I haven't seen any evidence at this stage to believe otherwise.

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I assume you read my post. I agree that the image further back doesn't move much at all.

So. if my square balloon theory being pulled by a fishing line is out. Is it the distance of the camera making the sails appear square, due to (pix-alation?)

I do a lot of kiting. And those two ain't kits.

The way you use a kite to surf explains this. A kite is in neutral when stationed above the surfer. To surf the surfer must bring the kite down in front of him or down to a angle where the wind will catch the kite.

A surfer would have to bring the kite down quite fast to be able to get enough force to make him surf. A surfer who uses a kite must also work the kite constantly to keep it where the wind is. In this video the objects are quite close to the water. A surfer who uses a kite that close to the water has hardly any wind in his kite. Therefore he must work the kite a lot in a figure 8 . I dont see any specific movement on those two objects to resemble a kite.

To change direction, the surfer would have to bring the kite back up to neutral and back down in the direction he wants to surf. I dont see any specific movements that indicate this when the objects changes direction.

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However, I don't believe it is two kitesurfers, but one. Has anyone else noticed that one of the objects, the one further back, remains practically stationary the entire time?

Yes you are right its because he is heading towards you. think of this way as a kite surfer, I am inexperienced and I will hug the coast line, you the other guy experienced says well I can tackle this I will head deeper and chase the wind.

Look at the footage its a peak on the land, classic Kite surfing spot

I think some on here haven't seen a kite blown up ( they do blow them up )_ they are bigger then what you think, conditions vary the size of the kite, same as sailing

Wal

Originally posted by Tribble
reply to post by Curious and Concerned

 

I assume you read my post. I agree that the image further back doesn't move much at all.

So. if my square balloon theory being pulled by a fishing line is out. Is it the distance of the camera making the sails appear square, due to (pix-alation?)

Hey Tribble, I had started my post quite a while before I posted it (too many distractions ), so hadn't seen your post sorry. But I do agree with many of your observations.

From the perspective of the camera, I think it is entirely plausible for a kite to appear square'ish or rectangular. I think pixelation could definitely make it appear more square, and possibly make the object look larger than it would actually appear.

Originally posted by TerribleTeam2
At a range just shy of 1 mile??? Wow, get those 2 blokes play Aussie Rules and put em at Full Forward, cause they would be at least 20 foot tall I'm guessing, and no one would be able to out mark them.

Have you seen how big a kitsurfers kite is? They are fairly large, at least compared to a human. Where I used to live, I could see the kites many kilometres away from my position on the beach, especially when they are travelling perpindicular to your point of you (such as in this video), as you see the full area of the kite.

Excellent post and video Yig! Thanks for sharing.

The video is shaky and blurry, and while the windsurfing/Kitesurfing ideas put forth sound very plausible, I'm not going to say for definate that it is.

I would love to hear of any scheduled windsurfing/Kitesurfing in the area at the time, although these are not always scheduled, as people can just turn up and do it.

The movements of the shapes are similar to how a pair of swans will follow each other about on the water, but I understand the shapes are too big for that.

I would be interested to hear what the other eyewitnesses that were mentioned in the video thought they saw, and whether there were other eyewitnesses besides, and whether such unexplained sightings are common in the area, as well as the history of the area.

Originally posted by Silver Star

I noticed that we got the obligatory X-Files music with that T.V report, as well as the usual smirks from the reporters treating the subject like a joke.

Indeed. It's been like it a long time, if not forever. If it's not the X-Files music, it's The Twilight Zone, and patronising comments about how there may be "little green men" complete with an *almighty condescending smirk of smugness*

Originally posted by Silver Star
I have never really understood the taboo regarding having an interest in the UFO phenomena.

Unfortunatly, rarely is it now in the MSM, or has it ever been, can matters of the possible paranormal and UFO's and cryptozoology and other mysterious subjects be reported with the deserved seriousness.

Note the generalised dismissal of people who report UFO's usually as people who have "Roos in the top paddock" by the 'reporter' (and I use that term very loosely indeed) while his fellow presenters smirk.

But truly, the MSM is now beginning to take this smirking, patronising view of current affairs as a whole.

The way the MSM portrays current affairs usually fits an agenda. While the MSM dismissal of UFO's and other phenomena is at best laziness and ignorance, at it's worst it may also be suiting an agenda to deny and ridicule the existence of UFO's, Aliens and other occurances.

Originally posted by spy66
A surfer would have to bring the kite down quite fast to be able to get enough force to make him surf. A surfer who uses a kite must also work the kite constantly to keep it where the wind is. In this video the objects are quite close to the water. A surfer who uses a kite that close to the water has hardly any wind in his kite. Therefore he must work the kite a lot in a figure 8 . I dont see any specific movement on those two objects to resemble a kite.

I know what you mean by the kite movement, and I believe you can see such movements. For example at 4:18, it appears to dip further below the land/water boundary in the background, and again at 4:30.

Originally posted by spy66
To change direction, the surfer would have to bring the kite back up to neutral and back down in the direction he wants to surf. I dont see any specific movements that indicate this when the objects changes direction.

Where do you see a change of direction? From what I can gather, the object you see moving, is moving from left to right the entire time, while the other looks relatively stationary. If that's the case, I would have thought there would be no need for the kite to move "back to neutral". Although I have not kitesurfed myself, so can't be certain, but I have seen them many, many times.

Is it possible for any news source to do a story on the subject of UFO's with ought the use of cheesy 'spacey' music or making completely retarded comments? Ill admit this is better than some, but seriously...

Anyway, as for the video itself, Id like to know exactly where it was filmed so I could check it out for myself. I couldn't help but notice that they were both circling the one part of the water, which leads me to the idea that there may be something of significance submerged there.

Originally posted by auswally
Yes you are right its because he is heading towards you. think of this way as a kite surfer, I am inexperienced and I will hug the coast line, you the other guy experienced says well I can tackle this I will head deeper and chase the wind.

That is possible, but I thought the movement of the one further back looked too 'stationary' to be that of a kite. That is what led me to believe it was something floating on the water, such as a boat.

Look at the footage its a peak on the land, classic Kite surfing spot

I think some on here haven't seen a kite blown up ( they do blow them up )_ they are bigger then what you think, conditions vary the size of the kite, same as sailing

Agreed, looks like it could be a great spot for kitesurfing. Funny you mention the size, as that is what I was in the process of posting. They can indeed be seen from a considerable distance.

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A kite that is that close to the water is way to stable in this video. If this is a kite, the reason he must have his kite that close to the water is because of the poor wind. And a kite that close to the water demands a lot of work. You have to move the kite all the time to generate enough power to generate the speed they are having. And the surfer would make ripples in the water.

The other object if it is a kite. Could be stationed in the water, because the surfer is preparing himself.

I have two kite's a Nash 9.5 m3 and a 13 m3. I use the 9.5 if there is a lot of wind. And the 13 m3 if there is poor wind.

Originally posted by Regensturm
I would love to hear of any scheduled windsurfing/Kitesurfing in the area at the time, although these are not always scheduled, as people can just turn up and do it.

Since when do people schedule kitesurfing?
The only time I could think of scheduled kitesurfing would be for lessons, but by the looks of it, this guy certainly aint an ameteur. And by the looks of the light (dusk?), I highly doubt there would be anything "scheduled".

Originally posted by Griffo515
Is it possible for any news source to do a story on the subject of UFO's with ought the use of cheesy 'spacey' music or making completely retarded comments? Ill admit this is better than some, but seriously...

Anyway, as for the video itself, Id like to know exactly where it was filmed so I could check it out for myself. I couldn't help but notice that they were both circling the one part of the water, which leads me to the idea that there may be something of significance submerged there.

I agree with Griffo and Regensturm (and Silver Star) regarding the attitude of reporters regarding UFO's. But where do you see them "circling"? If you go to the first video, and slide the 'slider' back and forth from 4:10 to 4:45, you can see one of the objects appear almost stationary the entire time, while the other is moving constantly from left to right, with a few dipping and rising motions. This is why I still believe one is a stationary object, possibly a boat, and the other is a kitesurfer travelling from left to right. I'm just not seeing any suspicious or abnormal movements other than the jittery filming.

Originally posted by spy66
A kite that is that close to the water is way to stable in this video. If this is a kite, the reason he must have his kite that close to the water is because of the poor wind. And a kite that close to the water demands a lot of work. You have to move the kite all the time to generate enough power to generate the speed they are having. And the surfer would make ripples in the water.

The other object if it is a kite. Could be stationed in the water, because the surfer is preparing himself.

How do you know the kite is close to the water? If the quality is not good enough to see the surfer, it would be impossible to determine the height of the kite. If the kite is actually at a reasonable height from the water, the surfer could be cruising in a fairly constant breeze, as opposed to gusty winds, with only minor adjustments (which I believe you can see). This could also mean the surfer is actually a fair distance from the shore, and closer to the point of view. This would explain why the kite appears rather large and to be moving quite fast. Again, I do see what appears to be adjustments in the kites attitude.

As you can see at 4:45 when he zooms out, the objects appear pretty small. I think given the low light and the zoom neccessary to see the kites, it would be almost impossible to make out the surfer from that distance.

Agreed it could be a kite stationed in the water, but my opinion is that it remains stationary for too long and appears too large to be kite, hence why I believe it is actually a boat, but I'm open for suggestions.

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Yes. Sometimes it seems there is an intellectual conspiracy to laugh these subjects out of the headlines.

I know it shouldn't, but it makes me embarrassed to discuss these topics with people. The MSM have made a good job of ridiculing any train of thought that doesn't fit into the accepted view of things. Thank God for places like ATS, that allow me to air my 'loony' ideas.

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I am hearing what you are saying mate, but I looked at the way one took off right of screen, classic surfing, , I am sticking with my opinion that they are riding the wind, and if you do this ,you know that you follow the wind ,especially if the wind isn't strong

Wal

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I hardly doubt that there is a constant breeze at that location.

The reason i know that kits are close to the water is by the length of the ropes and the shape of the kite.

If these are kites they are very close to the water facing us. If they were higher up the shape would be reduced/smaller in width. You would see less of the kite if it was elevated.