Seperate bathrooms for transvestites? You gotta be kidding me.

Yes, sometimes, I do need to be a jackass...

reply to post by dragnet53

You see your story is what makes me laugh at humanity so hard. I swear sometimes I wonder are we here for comic relief?

Well, I'm glad you got a good laugh.
Wish you could have been there in the ladies room with me. It would have really cracked you up..........
or..........maybe....you were?

Originally posted by AzoriaCorp

Yes, I do have a problem with that.

A human being does NOT have a right to trample on the rights of others to not be subjected to other peoples abnormalities and personal lifestyle preferences.

It everyone's "right" to not be expected to deal with the reality of differences between human beings? This is exactly what you said -- with neutral words instead of negative ones -- this is one technique us adults use to support mature conversation over mindless, ignorant babbling, assuming your sick idea of shielding your kids from the world are more important than the rights humanity. you children are not idiots; they are capable of forming their own opinions and you should be the mature one that is there to help them when they have questions about things like this, and you should absolutely be as impartial and unbiased as possible when explaining these things.

I don't like the idea that a male who THINKS he's a female whipping out his manhood in front of my wife or daughter if or whenever he pleases. It goes the same the other way.

I don't like that idea that a male who THINKS his kids deserve to be shielded from reality is either realistic, rational, or fair. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, since you don't seem to be educated on a lot of things that you bother to publicly rant about, but female restrooms have STALLS. Would you be okay with a female putting their VAGINA directly in your wife's or daughter's face? Is this something that actually happens in restrooms? Be realistic, here; people are just urinating and passing bowel movements -- if you're getting upset about this, you have some seriously juvenile hangups.

Its a travesty that this is even a debate. Its not a matter of opinion. Its a matter of what is right.

What's right is always a matter of opinion unless it is a fact -- nothing you have said is a fact; stop embarrassing yourself. I'm sure most people here think it is more right that someone, who has another 30-70 years to go in their adulthood, deserves to go to the bathroom just as much as your child, who has another... how long before they can out argue you on sociopolitical issues, Dad?

If you have a penis, dress or no dress, you go in the mens room. The same for ovaries. You go in the womens room.

If you are a woman, you go not the womans room. If you are a man, you go to the mens room. Professional establishments do not have the ethical right to judge us based on our body parts. If you are a non-transsexual, you do not have the right to assume harsh stances against them that are based on nothing; I am not a transsexual either, by I am years beyond the maturity level it takes to understand this. Get some perspective; if you were a transsexual, how would you feel about which bathroom you should be going into? Why does society create this boundary for you; creating this huge barrier between sexes? Why does society create this divide, denying you the natural function of your body to urinate, to pass a bowel movement; to release the remains of the food that you ate to SUSTAIN YOUR LIFE? you deal with this dilemma every day, and now people think they have the right to complain about you while you sit in the women's room stall, alone, pinching off a steamer? You're right, the idea that this is even a topic of debate is disgusting, because people like you are so full of yourselves that you think you deserve an opinion on the topic when you clearly don't have nearly as much experience or education on the topic as the people who are arguing against you.

Used to work at Boeing and remember this being a real issue there...

There was a person that wore women's clothes, just the top and a pink ski coat... And always used the ladies restroom to the dismay of the "female born" individuals... it made a lot of people uncomfortable, but management could not do a thing about it.. 99% of the gents thought the whole thing was hilarious..

There is the issue of transgender too. And those in the process of changing to the other sex. Used to work in a care establishment and we had a man changing to a woman. Was going through medical procedures to complete the process. But sorry - he/she/it looked and sounded like a man. The residents picked up on it straight away - in this case, what were we to do about personal care for society's most vulnerable?
So a whole bunch of thorny issues here. Re toilets, the only way round it is to do away with traditional urinals and make toilets unisex. EVERYTHING gets done behind closed doors. What's the problem?

reply to post by catwhoknows


thanks cat!

a serious but humorous issue.

like i stated, it is hard to believe people can do this. unless, like ladyinwaiting, was at mardi gras and everyone is trashed.

stalls can take care of anything. lol, but they really have to have doors to the floors.

i've seen the back of high heels in a stall.


there is usually a handicapped bathroom, sensitive people should use that.

Originally posted by alienreality
Used to work at Boeing and remember this being a real issue there...

There was a person that wore women's clothes, just the top and a pink ski coat... And always used the ladies restroom to the dismay of the "female born" individuals... it made a lot of people uncomfortable, but management could not do a thing about it.. 99% of the gents thought the whole thing was hilarious..

This does not seem like a "real issue" at all. This uncomfortableness that these women feel for their 30 second urination is nothing compared to the unnecessary guilt and uncomfortableness that a transsexual person probably feels when they have to preform this basic human function every single time they use a public restroom. People need to stop putting an image or instance of a "person" on some pedestal and calling them "normal"; this kind of thinking has no place in today's society, as it is not constructive.

reply to post by Brood


Just saying what other people reported about it...

To me it is a non-issue..

Sorry to say this but the whole idea of different sex bathrooms even is ridiculous, not to mention tranny bathrooms. I live in a country where many places do not have different bathrooms for males/females, for instance my school had such an arrangement, and no-one ever complained.

reply to post by FortAnthem


Yes, you are right, one bathroom for all.

People are not attractive when they are on the toilet.

No probs!

reply to post by Zanti Misfit


Sit down potties. In cubicles. With full doors. And roofs.

The answer. No pervs.

And, parents, always take your kids in there.

reply to post by catwhoknows


Sorry, I meant walls.

Originally posted by Brood

Its everyone's "right" to not be expected to deal with the reality of differences between human beings?

Yes, thats EXACTLY what I am saying. People have rights to not be subjected to other people's personal preferences in reality. If I have a personal lifestlye preference in being a dog by which I urinate on things I own and defacate anywhere I choose in public, its a reality, but it doesnt mean everyone should be tolerant of my lifestyle preference. I have the right to pursue happiness as long as it does not infringe the pursuit of happiness of others. Meaning you have the right to "be" whatever you want to be in the privacy of your own space and time, but outside of that you will respect others and their rights NOT to be subjected to it.

This is exactly what you said -- with neutral words instead of negative ones -- this is one technique us adults use to support mature conversation over mindless, ignorant babbling, assuming your sick idea of shielding your kids from the world are more important than the rights humanity.

Whether or not its reality, yes, people have the right to not subject their children to others' personal lifestyle choices.

you children are not idiots; they are capable of forming their own opinions and you should be the mature one that is there to help them when they have questions about things like this, and you should absolutely be as impartial and unbiased as possible when explaining these things.

I have a right as a parent to raise my children as I please. Whether or not my child agrees with my opinion is their choice when they are OLD enough to choose for themselves. You act as if children can reason and have logical thought for their best interests at any age. So, if thats true, I guess we should just remove child labor and child sex laws then.

I don't like that idea that a male who THINKS his kids deserve to be shielded from reality is either realistic, rational, or fair. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, since you don't seem to be educated on a lot of things that you bother to publicly rant about, but female restrooms have STALLS. Would you be okay with a female putting their VAGINA directly in your wife's or daughter's face? Is this something that actually happens in restrooms? Be realistic, here; people are just urinating and passing bowel movements -- if you're getting upset about this, you have some seriously juvenile hangups.

They DO need to be shielded from SOME reality. Just because its reality doesnt mean children should be subjected to anything and everything. Its not a juvenile hangup to have the desire to shield children from the "reality" of the world because not all reality is child appropriate. No it would NOT be okay for anyone to put their genitalia in ANYONE'S face. Now your just getting ridiculous. Yes people are quite often assaulted in restrooms. I think its you who is out of touch with reality.

What's right is always a matter of opinion unless it is a fact -- nothing you have said is a fact; stop embarrassing yourself. I'm sure most people here think it is more right that someone, who has another 30-70 years to go in their adulthood, deserves to go to the bathroom just as much as your child, who has another... how long before they can out argue you on sociopolitical issues, Dad?

We cant expect our children to be exact copies of ourselves but we try, and that is what it means to be a parent to take what we know is best for the child's best interests and attempt to influence the child in those ways.

What I have said as far as people not having the right to force tolerance of their own personal lifestyle onto others IS fact. Its law. If it wasnt then you wouldnt be having this aruement and there wouldnt even be a gay rights movement because thats what the movement is about. OBTAINING rights that dont exist (yet) and demanding overall tolerence that is never going to happen.

If you are a woman, you go not the womans room. If you are a man, you go to the mens room. Professional establishments do not have the ethical right to judge us based on our body parts.

Um yes they do. So with your logic, if I want to tour the womens rooms of the city, all i have to do is put on a dress and walk on in? Im sure there are PLENTY of "professional establishments" that will argue that with you.

I am not a transsexual either, by I am years beyond the maturity level it takes to understand this. Get some perspective; if you were a transsexual, how would you feel about which bathroom you should be going into?

Why do I have to be sympathetic and tolerant of THEIR lifestyle when they aren't tolerant of anyone elses?

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


If I was there, then you would of heard a loud laugh.

Originally posted by dragnet53
reply to post by ladyinwaiting

 

If I was there, then you would of heard a loud laugh.

Alrighty then!

You have a good day.

Oh dear God what a waste of time and space!

We have the NWO. We have possible alien sightings. We have the ice caps melting. We have terrorists around the world. We have a huge hunk of space rock coming to kill us in under three years ... and THIS is what we're talking about?

My friend has CAH ... it makes you butch a little. She walked into a toilet recently and met one of you 'lot' in there who began having a carry on about transsexuals in the women's toilets. It was embarrassing for everyone. You know what? Not every woman looks like the prom queen cheer leader you married or enjoy watching on your porno tapes. My friend is a born natural freaking woman and has to put up with this crap. Are you suggesting she carry her medical forms around with her perhaps? Or that she go to the male toilets because you might be more comfortable with her there where you don't have to look at someone go into a toilet that doesn't please your penis?

Your kids aren't going to suddenly want a sex change like the latest pokemon from seeing a TS in a toilet. They're not going to be scarred for life. And the hormones MTF's take are the equivalent of chemical castration. The hormones FTMs take have the opposite effect on a lot of people. In other words ... it's not the FTMs you have to worry about if you're that paranoid and you'll be telling them to go to the same toilet as your 'daughter'.

Honestly, the fact we need separate toilets just shows how immature we are as a society. We can't walk into a toilet without the fear of a vicious man raping us or that it might turn into a full blown sex orgy. Really? Is that going to happen?

Should we spend a little more money and have gender checks before we go into the toilets? Any abnormal persons can just poop on the side walk?

Not to mention how few times will this issue even come up? How many times has it come up and you haven't even noticed because the person beside you passed your stringent gender check?

And seriously ... perverts are perverts. I don't mean to get into the practicals of this, but do you really think a pervert in a woman's dress is going to go un-noticed for long hanging around a toilet? Do you often find perverts hanging around the toilets where you live in unchecked gangs?

Paging doctor hyperbole ... reality check needed in room four. There are better things to discuss than the 0.01% chance you might walk past a feminine man or a butch looking woman and have to deal with standing next to them for a few minutes.

Originally posted by Pinke

Oh dear God what a waste of time and space!

And yet you felt the need to add to it.

Originally posted by Pinke

My friend has CAH ... it makes you butch a little. She walked into a toilet recently and met one of you 'lot' in there who began having a carry on about transsexuals in the women's toilets. It was embarrassing for everyone. You know what? Not every woman looks like the prom queen cheer leader you married or enjoy watching on your porno tapes. My friend is a born natural freaking woman and has to put up with this crap. Are you suggesting she carry her medical forms around with her perhaps? Or that she go to the male toilets because you might be more comfortable with her there where you don't have to look at someone go into a toilet that doesn't please your penis?

What does a butch woman going to the womans restroom have to do with cross gendered people or transvestites? She is a woman who went to the womans restroom. How this relates to anyones penis is far, far beyond me.

Originally posted by Pinke

And seriously ... perverts are perverts. I don't mean to get into the practicals of this, but do you really think a pervert in a woman's dress is going to go un-noticed for long hanging around a toilet? Do you often find perverts hanging around the toilets where you live in unchecked gangs?

This guy comes to mind;

Originally posted by Pinke

Paging doctor hyperbole ... reality check needed in room four. There are better things to discuss than the 0.01% chance you might walk past a feminine man or a butch looking woman and have to deal with standing next to them for a few minutes.

Obviously this is aimed at men as women get those nice, individual, enclosed sit down stalls. And, yes, I do agree that there are more important issues in the world, but that does not mean that people can't take a moment to discuss the lighter issues as well.

Originally posted by Hefficide

Originally posted by Pinke

Oh dear God what a waste of time and space!

And yet you felt the need to add to it.

I felt the need to remind people about how much of a waste of time this stuff is. I believe George Bush mainly got elected by debating topics like this that are a waste of time. So yes, I feel the need to remind people there are more important things around than who puts what in what hole.

What does a butch woman going to the womans restroom have to do with cross gendered people or transvestites? She is a woman who went to the womans restroom. How this relates to anyones penis is far, far beyond me.

Quite a lot actually. Basically some of the people in this thread are supporting discrimination based on what people look like. Some women look like they used to be men. Some men look like they used to be women. People want to arrest people based on this or have them at least questioned by police? I'm sure they have better things to do.

It's just knee jerk reactions by people that are afraid of 'freaks'.

This guy comes to mind;

George Michaels doesn't do this every day does he?

Obviously this is aimed at men as women get those nice, individual, enclosed sit down stalls. And, yes, I do agree that there are more important issues in the world, but that does not mean that people can't take a moment to discuss the lighter issues as well.

See above comment about George Bush. Look at some of the comments in this thread? Some of these people *would* vote based on such a policy. Some people think an issue like this is life and death. Perhaps not you, but some people certainly need to wake up.

There are always going to be exceptions to every situation. My point that I was trying to make in the previous post was, does it really matter? As long as you are not assaulted or touched in any way shape or form, for me anyway. If I am at a crowded venue, and the ladies room line is miles long, to the point that she has to use the urinal next to me, I feel sorry for them. I am not ashamed of my body, so it would not even faze me if the poor woman who had to use the mens room glanced over by accident. Maybe they should be more worried about expanding the size rather than adding another gender.

How about one time while at the drive in movie, they announced that the ladies room was closed due to a sewer line brake. They said that the men had to use the woods now and that the mens room was given to ladies! How is that for discrimination!

Originally posted by AzoriaCorp
We cant expect our children to be exact copies of ourselves but we try, and that is what it means to be a parent to take what we know is best for the child's best interests and attempt to influence the child in those ways.

I'm sorry, you do not deserve to have kids if you want them to grow up to be exactly like you, rather than formulating their own opinions and developing into their own beings. No child deserves this level on censorship. If you want your children to grow up to be exactly like you, I suggest you take them out of school, because school teaches them reality -- a concept that is far beyond your understanding. Beyond being your children, they are human beings. I can't wait until your child tells you that she has always felt like she has been a man. That's how the world REALLY works, whether your parents shielded you from that, and whether you want to shield your kids from it -- that is your own problem -- it will remain a reality. Ten years from now, when your children have a lot of the same thoughts as I do about this, and start arguing with you about them; maybe then you will see that they were never meant to be you. They are themselves.

And in regards to the rest of your post, the idea that you think it is everyone's "right" to not have to deal with other people and their differences is absolutely ludicrous and juvenile. Grow up, Dad.