Wishing a Happy Jewish New Years to all This September 9th

It’s Jewish New Years today and I would like to extend a hearty New Years to all the Jewish members of ATS.

As a Gentile I don’t understand much about the Jewish calendar and how it marks time and what the significance is religious wise, in keeping a separate Calendar. I am not quite sure either how Jewish New Years might be celebrated differently than the one most of us celebrates on January 1st each year.

I am very curious about these things though.

While people on ATS seldom agree about Israeli politics, I think we all might agree that culturally the Judean religion has made some very significant contributions to world wide culture.

Yet many of us really don’t know much about the Judean traditions, like the separate calendar that still marks the end and beginning of the religious year.

So having said that I would really enjoy if some of the Jewish members of ATS would be kind enough to help us all celebrate with them today by sharing more about the Calendar its significance, and how the holiday is celebrated by traditional Jews.

It seems to me that divisions and misunderstandings over religion are increasingly driving world events to a crisis point.

I humbly believe one of the best ways to avert that is for all of us religions and non-religious alike to better understand the cultures that drive and are reflected in these religions, so we don’t have to be fearful or ignorant of what we don’t know.

I can’t think of a better way to start out a New Year than on that hopeful note and an invitation for everyone to learn and share more.

Happy New Years to all of ATS’s Jewish Members, and many, many more.

is this a conspiracy? below top secret my friend

Originally posted by Faiol
is this a conspiracy? below top secret my friend

I contend respectfully that religion itself is part of a conspiracy, a conspiracy those who are religious don't always see or want to believe.

Here we do have, once again respectfully, a large segment of the population, with a seperate way of marking time, that is different than the official one kept by the State.

Now if that's not a conspiracy I don't know what the heck is.

But as stated so many of us don't understand the mechanisms of these things and it is used to manipulate fears and prejudices and drive politics on an emotional level!

That's a conspiracy too.

Yet here is a chance to kindly learn more.

To do it in an intelligent and respectful manner while acknowleging the importance of the event.

By the way I will be doing another thread a little later on this evening for Muslim Eid.

I did one last year, and it was widely read, and did a lot to help those of a mind to learn more about enjoying the differences between us all.

This did prompt some complaints by some Jewish Members who also are celebrating a very important Holiday to them today as well, and they felt left out, and that, that was a conspiracy.

I believe both are Above Top Secret worthy, because both subjects are designed to promote learning more and denying ignorance, and understanding how ignorance about these things, is used to manipulate people to deny conspiracies.

Thanks for the off topic one liner!

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Thank you for putting up this thread Proto, I am not religious but today is a very important day for me and my family for many reasons, it is not only a day of Atonement for hope for the future.

Thank you again my friend.

reply to post by Aquarius1


Now this is interesting, the atonement part. Can you elaborate on that some, what part atonement plays in the celebration of Jewish New Years? Most of us Gentiles just have to atone for drinking too much New Years Eve in the form of a hangover the next day. Are there ritual acts of atonement conducted on Jewish New Years and what in general are they meant to atone for? If you don't mind explaining, I would love to know more.

actually, the day of atonement, Yom Kipur, is next week.

reply to post by Crakeur


You are right, I knew that and thought I would leave it...thanks for correcting me..

Originally posted by Crakeur
actually, the day of atonement, Yom Kipur, is next week.

Thanks for sharing that. How is the holiday traditionally celebrated? I see a lot of people walking back and forth to Temple today, I am assuming it's much more religious in nature than January 1st is.

We all see the word anti-Semetism bandied about in sometimes very negative ways on ATS. I think the thread for those who might be inclined would be a great opportunity to better define a sense of Judean culture for those of us who are not familiar with it, and especially those of us who fear anything in general we don't understand.

I know it's asking a lot of members that holidays of religious importance are intensely personal too, to share, but I want to believe that the more we share our differences respectfully with one another, the more we can learn to enjoy, appreciate and respect our differences, to celebrate those too, and not just the festivities them selves.

Thanks for posting.

Rosh Hashanah (Hebrew: ראש השנה‎, literally "Head of the year," Israeli: Hebrew pronunciation: [ˈʁoʃ haʃaˈna], Ashkenazic: ˈɾoʃ haʃːɔˈnɔh, Yiddish: [ˈrɔʃəˈʃɔnə]) is a Jewish holiday commonly referred to as the "Jewish New Year." It is observed on the first day of Tishrei, the seventh month of the Hebrew calendar.[1] It is ordained in the Torah as "Zicaron Terua" ("a memorial with the blowing of horns"), in Leviticus 23:24. Rosh Hashanah is the first of the High Holidays or Yamim Noraim ("Days of Awe"), or Asseret Yemei Teshuva (Ten Days of Repentance) which are days specifically set aside to focus on repentance that conclude with the holiday of Yom Kippur. Orthodox and Conservative Judaism generally observe Rosh Hashanah for two days.

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Yom Kippur (Hebrew: יוֹם כִּפּוּר‎, IPA: [ˈjom kiˈpur]), also known as the Day of Atonement, is the holiest day of the year for Jews. Its central themes are atonement and repentance. Jews traditionally observe this holy day with a 25-hour period of fasting and intensive prayer, often spending most of the day in synagogue services. Yom Kippur completes the annual period known in Judaism as the High Holy Days.

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For those who may not know the significance of Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur you can read about the holiest holidays in the Jewish year at the above links.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


We go to temple today and tomorrow, well some do. This part of the holiday is a celebration. Next week, the day of atonement, Yom Kippur, takes place. you fast from sundown to sundown and, in a nutshell, you're clear of sins. Jon Stewart did a nice bit on the whole concept of the holiday. He said that the first time the sun moves behind a cloud, we call sundown and eat and it's one day, really only a few hours, while Muslims and Christians have a far more rigorous atonement period. He ends with "even in sin, jews won't pay retail."

Have a happy holiday

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
It’s Jewish New Years today...

My calendar says that Rosh Hash anah began at sundown on the 8th of September
not the 9th as you state...

btw it was a new moon wednesday

reply to post by St Udio


sundown on the 8th was the night before. today is day 1

reply to post by Crakeur


Hey happy New Years to you too my friend, and thanks for taking the time to share a bit more. I truly appreciate it.

I live in a very Jewish area of Miami Beach with a large Ashkenazi and small Sephardic Temple within blocks, and am a bicycle rider myself so I have had the privilege and joy today to watch a number of people's faces light up when I wished them Happy New Years.

It seems to mean a lot to those when they can tell you aren't Jewish yourself.

I must say I am disappointed though, that finding that same level of comity isn't happening here on ATS in this thread today. Though it's possible many of our Jewish Members are with family and friends and celebrating the New Years today.

Building bridges seems to remain more difficult than tearing them down.

Thanks for sharing and Happy New Years to you and yours.

Originally posted by St Udio

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
It’s Jewish New Years today...

My calendar says that Rosh Hash anah began at sundown on the 8th of September
not the 9th as you state...

btw it was a new moon wednesday

edit on 9-9-2010 by St Udio because: re format the quotes

I could be wrong but I thought it was similiar to January 1st, where the Holiday Starts at midnight, or in the case of Jewish New Years when the sun goes down, and then the Holiday itself is the proceeding day?

I was really hoping someone here would give us a tutorial on how the Jewish Calendar Works as I know last year Jewish New Years was the 20th of September, and this year it falls on the 9th.

I am guessing it is based on lunar cycles and I know the year numbering is different too.

Hopefully someone can share all that before all is said and done.

By the way the thread is absolutely a conspiracy because I will be beating people over the head with it, who didn't post in it all throughout the coming year!

Good move posting!

Originally posted by Crakeur
reply to post by St Udio

 

sundown on the 8th was the night before. today is day 1

Yes today is day 1, gets confusing to some..

Happy New Year Crakeur

Shalom

Originally posted by Faiol
is this a conspiracy? below top secret my friend

As most of you would know by now, there is no Belowtopsecret any longer. And thank God for that. BTS was the most rediculous addition to ATS and only served overly eager mods to use their power to move threads or to puncture good debates related to conspiracies in the gray area.

But happy Rosj Hasjannah to all Jews on the board. If you need a red heifer, just ask, we got plenty up here "Norsk Rødt Fe" or NRF (Nowegian Red Cattle) is often refered to as the only -- or the most -- successful race of "manmade cows" on the planet. Some are all red with no visual faults or errors, so if Texas won't help you, here we are. Of course you'd need a temple first Anyway. Have a great Rosj Hasjannah!

reply to post by Neo Christian Mystic


See look a bovine conspiracy, where ever Proto goes a conspiracy is sure to follow! Oh ye of so little faith!

Thanks for joining in.

Oh could I have a New York Strip medium rare???

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic

Originally posted by Faiol
is this a conspiracy? below top secret my friend

But happy Rosj Hasjannah to all Jews on the board. If you need a red heifer, just ask, we got plenty up here

"Norsk Rødt Fe" or NRF (Nowegian Red Cattle) is often refered to as the only -- or the most -- successful race of "manmade cows" on the planet. Some are all red with no visual faults or errors, so if Texas won't help you, here we are. Of course you'd need a temple first

Anyway. Have a great Rosj Hasjannah!

Thank you Neo Christian Mystic, I will be happy to except your generous gift if it's Kosher.

Shalom

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Sorry. Today we only serve red cow No pink pork until morning comes! Well, I ate a cheap burger...
Darn! Next year. Next year.....

reply to post by Aquarius1


Haha. That's the tricky part. Up here we don't allow traditional kosjer or hallal slaughtering. But you could buy your cow here, have it sedated and killed in Sweden and then bring it back to Norway, and we could have a Rosj Hasjannah meal of sorts. Quite fun that our "king of Norwegian kings" up here was called "Harald". Almost the same as "uncircumcised" in Hebrew