Yahoo News reports story: "1,270 Architects/Engineers Reveal Hard Evidence of Explosive Demolition

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Ima flag 155.

I'm not so much in awe of how they collapsed WTC7 as I am the 2 towers. I dont think any building that size has ever been brought down by a professional demolition in all of history.

Of course you'd be right. These are amoung the largest buildings in history.
Three crews, one assigned to each building. Say they worked a reasonable rate
of 1 floor a day. All three buildings wired up with explosives in 5-6 months.
Absolutly possible. Probable? Well that's not really in question is it?

Okay, Back to the OP.

This article was not "REPORTED" by Yahoo. It was distributed by PR Newswire. You see, Mr. Gage takes the money from selling his snake oil and pays to get his "news" distributed.

How much? Well Mr. Gage pays an anual feee of $195.00 to become a member. He then gets charged per distribution. For instance. If he chose to just have it distributed in the United States, this would be called a "US1 Distribution" and would cost $715.00 for the first 400 words. The charges would then be an additional $195.00 for each 100 words there after. If he chose this to go out globaly, it would be called the "Premire Global Distribution." This would cost $8,190.00.

Gage and he cult of charlatans were NOT interviewed by ANY reporter for Yahoo New or ANY journalist for that matter. As you can see at the end of the article and the OP.

SOURCE Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth

Remember the last time Gage pulled this stunt? He SPAM e-mailed every journalist in the continental US. How many of fthem showed up to his press conference? ZERO! His room was filled with truthers.

But hey, keep digging deep and pay this guys way to take his trips around the world. He loves it!

Originally posted by camaro68ss
the united states cranks out nearly 100,000 graduating engineers and Architects a year and only 1,270 disigree with what happend on 9/11. your only talking about .01% of the engineering and architect population. big deal.

That's one way to look at it.

However, those 1270 verified architects and engineering professionals vastly outnumber those who have voiced up to support the official reports in any way.

I know engineers in person, and people from all number of other fields, who agree the truth of 9/11 has been covered up. They are not on this list. Therefore this list is NOT all of the architectural and engineering professionals that disagree, only the ones who have already found this organization, are willing to put their name to it, sign the petition and demand a re-investigation.


Again I ask you to show me any similar list for people supporting the official story. The sad truth is that 99% of all engineers haven't even read the official reports to form a position in the first place.

Originally posted by Six Sigma
Okay, Back to the OP.

This article was not "REPORTED" by Yahoo. It was distributed by PR Newswire. You see, Mr. Gage takes the money from selling his snake oil and pays to get his "news" distributed.

Well, that still counts as being reported by Yahoo.

Is it any different than how Yahoo normally reports news to people? No, apparently not.

Does Yahoo report news to people? Well I guess if you can't answer that for yourself then there is no point answering it for you either.


I'm glad someone is paying for this. When it's going to this kind of use, it's no more buying "snake oil" than someone who pays to have any other article run.

Snake oil is such a tired catch phrase by now... Do you really think adding the phrase "snake oil" into your posts makes anyone think any better of them?

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Yeah, I guess the $25,000,000 reward is for overdue library books.

He is wanted, and the reward is for bombing of our embassys overseas. Yes, a wanted poster doesn't list everything, but it lists the biggest ticket items. I am pretty sure 9/11 and an attack on our own soil, and the death of 3000+ people would be at the top of the wanted poster instead of some older less dramatic event.

Gee, they found some things and not others, must be an inside job because we all know that never happens.

No, they didn't find some things and not find other things. Black boxes are designed to withstand incredible crashes and subsequent fires. They are equipped with homing beacons to assist in their location. They were supposedly disintegrated. Paper passports and cheap potmetal box cutters are not designed to withstand even minor fires or crashes. They are not equipped with homing beacons. They are much smaller and less important than black boxes, and yet they survived almost unscathed and were quickly and miraculously found in a pile of rubble that extended for a 1/4 mile in all directions?

No one said it was, so you're OK there.

No one said it was a kerosene fire that brought down the towers? That is exactly what the official story said. They claim that the impact of a jumbo-jet caused some structural damage and stripped fire proof coatings from structural beams. The ensuing Jef Fuel-A (Kerosene-A) fire caused plasticity in the remaining beams that caused a partial collapse that cascaded into a pancake collapse. That is exactly the official story.

The problem is that their own evidence shows that the temperatures didn't exceed 600 deg C and didn't exceed 250 C for any extended period of time. Structural steel in the building, even without fire coating, could have withstood 2000 deg C for 12 hours without collapsing. Plus, their own evidence shows that the beams were only damaged as expected and that there was not additional ripping and tearing of the bolt holes or joints. The beams actually outperformed their expectations by 10-15%!!

Even if, by some miracle some of the hundreds of beams present did start collapsing at those low temperatures, there would have still been many beams resisting the collapse at differing rates according to their distance from the fire and the amount of their fireproofing still intact, the top of the building would have torqued around those beams. Even if it collapsed in the impact area, it would not have been a pancake style collapse; it would have been a twisting, torqueing collapse. If by some miracle 100's of beams gave way at exactly the same moment, despite their differing levels of damage and heat, against all odds they did it without torqueing on their axes, and they did fall to the next lower floor, they would have met resistance there. A "pancake style" collapse would have been a cascading event that would have been readily apparent in the videos. It would have looked nothing like the freefall collapse that we have all seen a million times.

You can keep pointing and saying na na na na, but until you actually show some science, education, or research, it won't mean anything. Try to dispute the NIST report, or the opinion of the PhD Engineer from FSU, or even my novice opinions. Try to do it with facts this time.

Originally posted by bsbray11
Well, that still counts as being reported by Yahoo.

Yahoo get's paid to "distribute" this type of "news."

Is it any different than how Yahoo normally reports news to people? No, apparently not.

Yahoo actually releases articles from reuters and the AP. You know, articles from real journalists?

Does Yahoo report news to people? Well I guess if you can't answer that for yourself then there is no point answering it for you either.

You don't get it. Reuters, AP, ABC, CBS, CNN, FOX, MSNBC, Washington Post, Boston Globe, Time Magazine, etc etc etc. NONE of them are interested in the lies of Richard Gage. Gage has to PAY to have someone write an article then has to PAY to get it distributed.

Snake oil is such a tired catch phrase by now... Do you really think adding the phrase "snake oil" into your posts makes anyone think any better of them?

Why don't you pick one out for him. The slang term for snake oil means deceptive talk or actions or hooey. Fits this guy to a tee! Crook comes to mind as well.

reply to post by Six Sigma


Well I hope you at least feel better after getting all of that off your chest.

Since you didn't present any facts to show Gage is deceiving anyone, and we know AE911 went through a normal procedure, and I'm not going to debate the meaning of "news" with you, there's really no substance worth responding to in your post.

And in the time you took to deliver me that response, 2 or 3 more people flagged this article, and despite your rant it'll probably get 2 or 3 more.

I understand you have strong feelings about the subject, but if you included more sources and facts for your "charlatan" and "snake oil" claims then you wouldn't get the inevitable reaction... Anyone who doesn't already agree, just ignoring your post, because it has nothing new in it.

Originally posted by Six Sigma

You don't get it. Reuters, AP, ABC, CBS, CNN, FOX, MSNBC, Washington Post, Boston Globe, Time Magazine, etc etc etc. NONE of them are interested in the lies of Richard Gage. Gage has to PAY to have someone write an article then has to PAY to get it distributed.

Well, the conference is over and I watched the whole thing, did you? Tell me, what does Gage lie about? Seems to me he knows exactly what he's talking about. Additionally, show me how basic grade 7 physics is a lie?

As for paying to have his article published, what does that really prove? In fact, that would indicate the opposite to what you are trying to claim. Seems like the grassroots type of thing to me if any to get the truth out.

reply to post by getreadyalready

No one said it was a kerosene fire that brought down the towers? That is exactly what the official story said. They claim that the impact of a 747 caused some structural damage and stripped fire proof coatings from structural beams. The ensuing Jef Fuel-A (Kerosene-A) fire caused plasticity in the remaining beams that caused a partial collapse that cascaded into a pancake collapse. That is exactly the official story.

For me, this is by far the most unbelievable part of the OS. There isn't any fire present in any of the buildings
that could even begin to phase the steel structures. Ask anyone who hangs iron for a living? Everyday the torch
we use to burn through steel of that gage screams no fn way. Period. No effn way.

Wow talk about Irony

this thread that has been up for a few day now is in Discussion
About this Very Same thing


» 9/11 Conspiracies » WTC Detonations Finally Revealed (Video)
www.abovetopsecret.com...

S&F !!

G R avel? Who is he?

So, Gage found a bankrupt, womanizing, politician who hasn't been in office for what... 30 years?? LMFAO!! That's the best he could do?

Let's not forget who G R avel is a supporter of: Sami Al-Arian yes the same Sami who said: "Jihad is our path. Victory to Islam. Death to Israel."

G R avel, spoke in support of Sami Al-Arian after his conviction stated this: (in regards to the prosecutor of his case)

"Find out where he lives, find out where his kids go to school, find out where his office is: picket him all the time. Call him a racist in signs if you see him. Call him an injustice. Call him whatever you want to call him, but in his face all the time."

Yeah G R avel, we will find out where his children go to school. Nice guy!

reply to post by Six Sigma


There's just the little detail that those who payroll TPTB are those who benefitted from 9/11 - and hey, guess what, these same people own the MSM and decide which pieces of 'news' will be given airtime and which won't.

The 9/11 truthers' story will never get adequate airtime on MSM, nor will it ever be treated with respect by MSM, because those who own MSM are the very same people who will be indicted if ever the truth is officially acknowedged in a court of law.

Hence, your scathing remarks about the measures Mr. Gage is obliged to go to get some coverage of this information deserves to be responded to in kind, but I will refrain.

There's another little detail. You are insinuating that Mr. Gage is making person profit out of this...so I am assuming that you have first hand knowledge what he is doing with any money he may receive, and that he is pocketing it for personal gain rather than it being used to cover the significant costs of this move to push for a further investigation?

And one more little detail. It is a known fact that Bush lied about WMD, that not only were facts embroidered, twisted and manipulated, but that he lied and all this in the information/documents which were presented to Congress. And those people who knew the truth SAID NOTHING. But the official storyline of 9/11 just has to be true because it came from the same Government and their cronies! I truly think this qualifies for the category of 'perverse logic'

C'mon, if you are going to attack people in such scathing terms, at least provide a valid counter argument..

reply to post by Six Sigma


And the CV of the then President - and his history, is, of course, squeaky clean.

reply to post by bsbray11

I listened to Richard Gage on Coast to Coast's recent interview of him thinking I would finally have the EVIDENCE presented on thermite, but it didn’t happen. Gage found the elements of thermite in the dust remembering that the structural components of the towers were comprised of these elements of thermite. When asked about how much thermite it would take to destroy the towers, his response was this is why we need a new investigation remembering that he stated on the air that the engineers had over 25,000 years of experience and not a one of them could make this calculation - unbelievable. When asked how the thermite was used in the building - same response--new investigation. When asked how to detonate this thermite, which has never been done --we need new investigation. When asked if thermite has ever been used for demolition in any building (which is hasn't as it can't) -- we need a new investigation - and on and on. Can anyone itemize specifically the "evidence" that gage purportedly has?
Can thermite make 800,000 tons of concrete and steel vanish --remembering 80% of the building materials WERE not on the ground? Can thermite explain "toasted cars" up to almost 1/2 mile away? Was the "bathtub" (the underground part of the towers that is below sea level) damaged remembering that over 1 million tons of material would have shattered it causing MAJOR flooding? No, it was not damaged. Has any whistle blower suit been filed into the federal courts by Gage where he could present the “real evidence” of thermite, wherein he would have to have real evidence? NO. I suggest that you engage your thought processes and visit Dr. Judy Wood's website www.drjudywood.com or www.checktheevidence.co.uk. She has filed a Qui Tam suit with real "evidence" into the federal courts on 911. Amazing that no one can specifically list out the evidence of Gage's and he would not answer the questions on Coast to Coast. So the question that must be asked is, why is that?
Why is gage diverting those with questions away from the truth?
You figure it out considering that he doesn’t have any REAL EVIDENCE!

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Six this is simply the best way I can think of to say it. Credit Chadwickas for the first use of this vid.
You obviously need to hear it though. So.

Originally posted by bsbray11
Well I hope you at least feel better after getting all of that off your chest.

Better? No, I'm just here stating the facts kind sir!

Since you didn't present any facts to show Gage is deceiving anyone, and we know AE911 went through a normal procedure, and I'm not going to debate the meaning of "news" with you, there's really no substance worth responding to in your post.

Hold the phone! First of all, have you seen his presentations? I have! Would you like me to start listing the garbage he spews?

What "normal procedure" are you talking about? The AP pays Yahoo to distribute their news? Really? The article posted was written by an employee of AE4911 Truth. That is a fact. Try calling him yourself you posted him number. 410-499-5403. (i called David myself)

And in the time you took to deliver me that response, 2 or 3 more people flagged this article, and despite your rant it'll probably get 2 or 3 more.

Well, I am so happy for you and all your stars and flags. You should be proud that on a conspiracy theory website, many found the time to support your link to a paid-to-distrubute news article. I can assure you, most of them saw "YAHOO" and "NEWS" and got all excited without looking into the source.

I understand you have strong feelings about the subject, but if you included more sources and facts for your "charlatan" and "snake oil" claims then you wouldn't get the inevitable reaction... Anyone who doesn't already agree, just ignoring your post, because it has nothing new in it.

It's more about the person. I dislike liars. I dislike cheats, and I dislike follks that attempt to rewrite history. Mr. Gage is all of them. I have met the man in person and spoken with him. He lied to my face and there were several witnesses. I have posted them in here several times and not a whimper from any truther. Gage is the new Messiah of the Truthers. When he speaks, the world stops for them. He is in business only because truthers give him money to tour the world telling the same old tired story.

You want to laugh, please go to YouTube and search for the "Contradictions of Richard Gage". I've posted that knee slapper in here many times!

Originally posted by Six Sigma
Gavel? Who is he?

You could have just left it at that, but no.

Let's not forget who Gavel is a supporter of: Sami Al-Arian yes the same Sami who said: "Jihad is our path. Victory to Islam. Death to Israel."

The guy's name is Gravel, not Gavel. It's pronounced with a long "a' like in "lava."

en.wikipedia.org...

If that's the worst you can pull up on him then I'm really not impressed. A quote made by some guy he supported during a court case that I don't know the specifics of, but is probably unrelated anyway.

Now that you know a little more about the person you're talking about, do you want to start over?

Since there's no way Obama can launch an attack of this scale like what has been said is necessary to save him he can at least expose one right? - just thinking out loud that there could be political motivations to acknowledge it.

"I promise America that we will get to the bottom of this and arise united as a stronger nation" President Obama - state of the union address 2011

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"I'm thinking that as awareness of this organization spreads, so will its membership. "

I hope so.

My name has been on that list for the past three years.
I'm licensed to practice architecture in six states and eligible for registration in 20 more.

In thirty years of creating architecture and managing building construction, one thing I know for certain is this:

In my experience, the issues of health, safetey and welfare of building occupants is the foremost matter of concern. Regardless of the circumstances, historically, in every case of building failure, the professional building community; the architects, engineers, building code organizations and emergency response teams had spared no effort in determining the cause, documenting the event step by step, and putting into place exhaustive measures to insure a repeat event would never happen again.... that is, until the failure of WTC7.

That one fell through the cracks of the process, and nothing about that failure is logically explained. The official reports are sorely lacking in detail.

I'm not going to debate the events surrounding the towers. As much as I have my doubts, watching a plane hit one while the other was burning from being hit is enough for me to set those doubts aside for the moment. I cannot argue the obvious. I do, however, believe there are unusual circumstances and inadequate explanations for some issues surrounding their failures. The Pentagon failure presents still more unanswered questions and I refuse to accept the official stories until I witness all camera recordings that have since become classified evidence.

For the writer who wondered what might happen to those on the roster... I can only say this: The construction industry and building professionals in particular have been hit very, very hard by this economic catastrophe that we all are suffering through. Almost everyone I know from my profession is out of a job with nothing on the horizon anytime soon. Many of us may never practice again - it looks more every day like I won't, and after two and a half years I have come to reluctantly accept that as fact...

I don't draw corollary to these events other than to say that many of us presently have very severe matters to worry about in our immediate lives. Doing so is pointless.

For the writer who stated that nobody will ever be held accountable, and for the one who said that there is complicity within the media that should foster distrust, sadly, I agree with you.

Maybe... hopefully, there will be an epiphany.

Deceit is evil, nothing more need be said.
Two thousand, nine-hundred seventy-seven people should not have died in such a manner for any agenda.

I pray justice for them.

Originally posted by bsbray11


Now that you know a little more about the person you're talking about, do you want to start over?

I edited my post so his name is spelled correctly. Hope that pleases you. Now, was anything I stated about him false? He supported a terrorist after the scum bag pleaded GUILTY. He told people to find out where the prosecuters kids go to school.

Again.. please list what I got wrong about this guy.