Yahoo News reports story: "1,270 Architects/Engineers Reveal Hard Evidence of Explosive Demolition

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by bsbray11

Well since your evidence is apparently better than NIST and everyone else on ATS on this subject, would you like to show it to us for once?

you are talking as if noone else in the past has shown that you are not only wrong, but a fanatic who can't accept when you are wrong...

Look, it's time that you finally show me your evidence that WTC7 didn't accelerate at free-fall.

You are in disagreement with anyone who knows anything about this subject.

It's time to put up or shut up.

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Bet you didn't go on any of those...

Anyway, that doesn't really matter. The point is that in relative terms those demonstrations are tiny. Minuscule. And they're getting smaller because most people in the TM - not naming any names here - prefer to sit on the computer. I'm not denying that there are vanishingly small numbers who are willing to march - roughly the same number who are interested in other slightly wacky causes or minor wildlife issues. But the picture painted by Truthers on here is that about half the world supports their ideas and is in a state of foment about it. Completely untrue.

As to my motives, stop whining. And look to your own. You freely admit to doing nothing to actively aid in the political process and to just arguing on the internet. Almost as though winning the argument was more important than bringing anyone to justice...

So just how many reporters turned up to the conference on the 9th - and was it reported in any main stream media?

Holy cow... what a sh!t show.

ElectricUniverse is clearly in denial - I've never been more sure of anything in my life. (sorry mate, my informed and educated and objective opinion...)

Its a good thing several countries governments around the world have started to pressure the faction that has been running the U.S. gov't and related international banking cabals.

(Like Russia, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, and I'm sure more to come)

Dismissing all of these leaders and governments is ludicrous. They are not 'out to get America'. They are sick of having the imperial, hegemonic, and tyrannical boot up their ass for the past 60 years or more.

The worst thing to call somebody is crazy. It's dismissive... 'I don't understand this person, so they're crazy.' That's Bullsh!t. These people are not crazy, they're strong people... Maybe the environment is a little sick. [applause]
-Dave Chappelle

This quote was directed at Hollywood, I think it is relevant in this context as well.

There is obviously such cognitive dissonance that it is becoming a psychological problem dividing society as a whole.

Thank god there are enough smart and moral people in high places that the 'truth' will eventually come out, to some degree.






Look up Shock Doctrine and Friedman economics, and Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Machiavelli...

All we can do is show you the door, ElectricUniverse.

Hopefully you are right, although all my rational faculties say otherwise.

But I guess I am crazy, so who cares?

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


my calculations were for an "OBJECT".
no where in my post did i say anything about any specific object.
my calculations were from september 10. 2001 of lets say a ball baing droped from
WTC1 or 2.

the term and reality of 'FREE FALL SPEED" IS A RED HERRING.

So if your claim is that the towers fell slower than that
or at about .60 free fall speed.

i looked at deveral actual controlled demolitions and none of them fall at "FREE FALL" SPEED.
THEY ALL FALL AT A PERCENT OF LESS THAT FREE FALL.

reply to post by bsbray11


Brian, this guy doesn't even understand the various concepts of demolition.

For example, this is the last example of that behavior in his last rant I read :

in what dimension that that happen?... WTC7 collapsed by parts, AND THAT IS NOT HOW CONTROLLED DEMOLITION WORKS... Are YOU going to claim that WTC7 collapsed all at once, and not by parts?....

(Are you a youngster? Why you start SHOUTING via your keyboard, every time that you get upset?)

Well, read this new thread started by me:

WTC 7's compartmented demolition collapse sequences reveals human intervention.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

While I'm happy to see Yahoo and other comparable online news outlets reporting this story, I have to ask, has it been physically printed in any mainstream newspaper, local or otherwise? I couldn't help but notice a pathetically small number of comments, while the normal political gossip stories (ie Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin's commemoration of 9/11) get thousands of comments in a few hours.

The reason I ask is that printed media is subject to more legal scrutiny (liability laws) and is therefore considered to be more credible on the whole. Or, for our doomsday enthusiasts, if an EMP/solar flare killed the internet tomorrow, would any credible record of this conference exist? I realize the article doesn't include the "hard evidence"; it is simply a press release. But for those who seek the honest truth of that day, it seems a step in the right direction.

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Oh man, that # had me crackin' up......

Wouldn't doubt it though..


for the post... Hopefully this will open some minds.. Or at least spark the thought that awakens the minds

Originally posted by dereks
So just how many reporters turned up to the conference on the 9th - and was it reported in any main stream media?

ABC vs Loose change

They were there but only to make 911 truthers look bad. Somebody even posted the nightline special and they were right.

I wish the truth would come out...but let's be brutually honest, to even wish for such a thing borders on the naive. How many times have you heard America admit they've made mistakes? Especially ones that cost thousands of lives and caused a war. They will STOP AT NOTHING to make sure the truth doesn't get out about this. And imho, it's kind of moronic to think that them comming forward about this isn't going to change things...seriously? What fantasy lala world do you live in...can you get me in?

Originally posted by bsbray11

Look, it's time that you finally show me your evidence that WTC7 didn't accelerate at free-fall.

You are in disagreement with anyone who knows anything about this subject.

It's time to put up or shut up.

Already posted SEVERAL times, but you and some others don't want to accept ANYTHING that contradicts your claims...

The people in denial are those like YOU...

www.debunking911.com...

Already also showed that the claim that there was thermite IS FALSE, yet you people keep making one conspiracy over the other every time evidence that contradicts your claims is shown...

the ones who should "put it up or shut up" are those like YOU...

You people can't admit when you are wrong...

Originally posted by beebs
Holy cow... what a sh!t show.

ElectricUniverse is clearly in denial - I've never been more sure of anything in my life. (sorry mate, my informed and educated and objective opinion...)

The ones in denial keep being people like you...

These "9/11 truthers" are basing their claims in papers LIKE THE FAKE NANO THERMITE PAPER, which was the cause for the editor in chief of Bentham Science Publishing to quit, because that paper, among many others were accepted without review, and she didn't want to be part of a SCAM PUBLISHING company that is only interested IN MAKING MONEY...

Originally posted by beebs
Its a good thing several countries governments around the world have started to pressure the faction that has been running the U.S. gov't and related international banking cabals.

.. Those governments are part of the elite who want to implement a One World Socialist government...

Originally posted by beebs
(Like Russia, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, and I'm sure more to come)

Dismissing all of these leaders and governments is ludicrous. They are not 'out to get America'. They are sick of having the imperial, hegemonic, and tyrannical boot up their ass for the past 60 years or more.

Oh really?... Obviously you are unawares of the 60+ year history in which SOCIALISTS/COMMUNISTS were spreading their disease around the world BY FORCE, and the U.S. among some others had to fight this expansion...

Lefties like yourself want to deny the fact that the left, such as China, North Korea, Russia, and even countries like Cuba have been sending their own forces to "spread socialism/communism around the world"...

Lefties like you want to blame theVietnam war on the U.S. WHEN THE CHINESE INVADED VIETNAM, and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese were MURDERED by the socialists/communists for not accepting the socialist/communist disease...

Russia, China, etc are not out to get America, when they have been invading countries for decades which is the reason why the U.S. had to step in?...

Even Putin had to admit that since 9/11 and until the war started the Russian agencies were giving evidence to the U.S. that Saddam was planning terrorist attacks against the U.S., and U.S. interests like military bases around the world... Meanwhile Putin was one of the people claiming to the world that the U.S. didn't have any reason for attacking Saddam's regime...

Putin: Saddam prepared terrorist attacks against US
Sun, 2004-06-20 14:50 — admin

Saddam Hussein's regime prepared terrorist attacks against the United States and its interests abroad, Russian President Vladimir Putin said at a news conference after a regional economic and security summit in the Kazakh capital Astana last week.

According to Mr. Putin, after September 11, 2001, and before the start of the military operation in Iraq, “Russian special services received information that officials from Saddams regime were preparing terrorist attacks in the United States and outside it against the US military and other interests."

He said Russian intelligence officers had passed this information to their American colleagues, and US President Bush had personally thanked the head of the Russian intelligence service.

www.russiajournal.com...

Then during the war we found out because of captured documents that the Russians were giving U.S. troop movement to Saddam's regime through the Russian ambassador... But hey Russia is not out to get America....

Russians Told Iraqi Regime of U.S. Troop Movements
THE CONFLICT IN IRAQ
March 25, 2006|Peter Spiegel and Greg Miller, Times Staff Writers

WASHINGTON — Russian diplomats passed detailed but sometimes inaccurate information about American troop movements to senior Iraqi officials even as U.S. troops closed in on Baghdad during the 2003 invasion, according to a Pentagon study released Friday.

The revelations, based on captured Iraqi intelligence documents, could jeopardize U.S.-Russian relations more than any single event since the end of the Cold War, analysts said. Although they cautioned that Moscow might have an explanation, the analysts said some of the details were so sensitive that they would be difficult for the government of President Vladimir V. Putin to justify.

articles.latimes.com...

But hey the Russians "are not out to get America".....

Originally posted by beebs
Thank god there are enough smart and moral people in high places that the 'truth' will eventually come out, to some degree.

... Intelligent people don't claim the collapse caused "pyroclastic clouds/flow" when it is a known fact that only mayor volcano eruptions, or a large meteor collision can cause pyroclastic clouds/flow....

Intelligent people don't accept FAKE RESEARCH PAPERS to back their claims...

Originally posted by beebs
Look up Shock Doctrine and Friedman economics, and Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Machiavelli...

Already have... Not to mention that part of this "shock doctrine" as explained by former High ranking Russian, and even Chinese defectors is to deceit people around the world to hate the U.S. and capitalism in general... It has worked pretty well since there are many like you who believe the leftist claims...

Originally posted by beebs
All we can do is show you the door, ElectricUniverse.

Hopefully you are right, although all my rational faculties say otherwise.

But I guess I am crazy, so who cares?

Based on exaggerations, ignoring history, fake research papers, and false claims such as "there were pyroclastic clouds/flow from the collapse"?....

No thanks... the ones who need to wake up are people like you...

Defectors who were high ranking officials from Russian, and China have been warning us for decades that there was a mayor deception going on in which socialist groups in Europe, the Russians and the Chinese agreed on to make people accept a "socialist government" in Europe and the U.S...

Part of the deception has been to turn people against the U.S.... What did Russia do?... They fitted Saddam with WMD, and helped Saddam's regime meanwhile giving to the U.S. evidence that Saddam was preparing terrorist attacks against the U.S....

Obviously the Russians were baiting the U.S. into this war... Russia in the 90s became Saddam's main source of WMD, and illegal military equipment... We even know that Saddam owed to the Russians more money than to anyone else...

Not to mention that in the 80s, and before the GERMANS were the ones providing Saddam his WMD, which included the poison gas Saddam used against the Kurds and the Iranian... But lefties like you have been trying to claim it is all the fault of the U.S...

People like you HAVE FALLEN FOR THE DECEPTION... The goal of this deception is to implement a One World socialist/communist Government/regime...

I think checking out the topics related to the World Trade Center is going to be the last on my list soon. The moment I think a topic title sounds somewhat interesting, I get to regret the decision a few minutes later as it turns into the people who don’t believe the OS versus those who do. It’s getting really old (and boring).

If those that do believe the OS aren’t allowed to share their opinion because they are trolls from the get-go, and the truthers feel the need to group up and launch a pre-emptive attack to troll the trolls makes the whole idea of an actual discussion board useless. Then again, it’s fashion regarding most conspiracies.

Those that oppose the conspiracy are ignorant and stupid according to the conspiracy theory manual and need to be dealt with accordingly in a counter attack of trolling or a pre-emptive strike of trolling before they get the chance to troll. They obviously are in on the whole thing, get paid to oppose the conspiracy, or are just brainwashed by the government thus are subconsciously in on it too.

Conspiracy or no conspiracy, the fact a large group of people scream how this is an inside job demanding justice might just have well fallen into the hands of the government. Of course the government knew the truthers would arise after the attack, and of course they won’t admit this was an inside job. Just like they won’t admit anything else bad they have done or might have done, or will be doing soon because the consequences are too big. Not even in regard to the people of the United States, but governments of allied countries who can turn their back on them thus kick them off the ladder in terms of being a leading super power.

If a government is smart enough to get an inside job as big as the World Trade Center done, without evidence present after almost a decade (and I mean real evidence, not the expert opinion of many unnamed professionals in each topic without mentioned credentials. I mean an actual piece of paper from a government facility related to the attacks that claims or at least suggests obviously this was an inside job or a statement of an actual member who was part of it), it’s only logic to assume that the truthers movement was to be expected and worked into the plan.

So who knows, maybe the government folks just enjoy their morning coffee reading bashes like this on the internet and think how they managed to not only get 1 group of people to believe the OS, but how they also manage to keep group 2 busy opposing the OS with some degree of entertainment for themselves. Both of the groups have their own propaganda to convince others it was or wasn’t an inside job. Group 1 has the simple job: read the news. Group 2 has a different task: go over tons of calculations and information on how steel cannot be affected that way and how gravity needs to be calculated in terms of free falls. It looks so ‘professional’ for any clueless person about these subjects it’s easy to believe, just as easy as it is to believe the news.

But since we are going for the whole conspiracy anyway; who said that all the opposing evidence wasn’t fabricated? Because the internet is such a credible source, and because the professionals are so professional that just the mentioning of sheer numbers should scare the government folks into speaking up? Considering there are always 2 groups of people in this whole business of conspiracies; I prefer to assume the government expects this to happen and knows how to counter it.

So yeah – If this is a large conspiracy that complicated, I just go with whatever floats my boat until someone has successfully gained access to government documentation on how this was an inside job. That doesn’t mean I support the OS either, but I’m so tired of reading about all the theories and self-proclaimed professionals waiting for an actual piece of evidence sounds like a better choice.

Well supposedly they actually have the scientific evidence of thermite. This has been found in many studies. In any other crime investigation they would open up the case again with new found evidence. The fact that its just ignored and these arch's and engineers are made fun of, just makes the coverup even more obvious.

This video was filmed on the anniversary of 911 a few days ago. This worker in the WTC talks about the 36 hour power down right before 911. Although he's still protesting a muslim mosque (still hasn't connected the dots). I think most can see he's telling the truth.

www.youtube.com...

We watched the jets collide, no doubt about what happened.

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What part of the peer reviewed scientific paper about nano thermite being found in every 911 dust sample is false?

Talk science, and don't bring on the ad hominid attacks. Something you guys love to do along with believing 19 hard drinking and drug taking Moslems, controlled by a dialysis patient in a cave and created by the CIA, beat a multi trillion dollar defense set up.

You are pathetic. Don't you realize 911 was a crime by psychopaths. If we don't find them and bring them to justice these criminals just keep on killing and no one is safe.

Originally posted by beijingyank
What part of the peer reviewed scientific paper about nano thermite being found in every 911 dust sample is false?

The paper was not peer reviewed....

It was not posted in a Scientific Journal, it was published in a vanity, pay to publish Journal....

The "thermite" that was found went out when heat was removed, and was not tested in a inert atmosphere....

probably this was posted before, but it seems discovery isn't too happy about testing the 9/11 myth

and i think with the explanation of the video below , the evidence is irefutable and undeniable ,anyone stating otherwise would be either ill-intentioned either an idiot without education

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Very excellent rendition of the laws demonstrated in
conflict with the OFFICAL CONSPIRACY THEORY.
You are correct about the enemy being within the gates.

Is there a possibility you can email this video to all of the congresspersons
Senators and Represenatives.