Yahoo News reports story: "1,270 Architects/Engineers Reveal Hard Evidence of Explosive Demolition

If explosive materials were found, and architects/engineers are revealing 'hard evidence' of such, it really doesn't say much to me. Explosive material may have been placed into the WTC at the time of it's construction by terrorists with a plan for a future date with disaster, the first time it was bombed, It may have been supposed to do it then, but failed, so another plan came up. Who is to say how explosive material, or when, was introduced into the building. That would take quite a bit of material and labor, I am sure if explosives were placed there later, someone would have noticed, however during the construction of WTC a bag of explosives could have been mixed with concrete, or many other scenarios.

reply to post by DCDAVECLARKE


Well then Dave you didn't look long and hard enough. I lost a loved one at the WTC, and my heart breaks for the loss of life that day, for every individual. And yes, a guy in a cave with a walkie talkie is capable of planning this, down to the last detail, and executing it. I am not disrepecting my loved one or anyone else's by admitting that there is no evidence that links my government to this event, but there is not only evidence, but admission and praise that it was done in the name of Allah, by men who trained to kill americans under a vehemeiant man in a cave with a walkie talkie. BTW you might be hiding in a cave yourself if you just [snip] with the greatest nation on earth.

Spacey..

You lost your loved one at the hands of the US govt.....great country eh??

Sadly, this has given you a bad case of Islamaphobia....and a dirty mouth too..

Sadly, in the US, you are not alone....

reply to post by space cadet


Sorry you los a loved one at WTC.
Even so there is no way possible for
an explosive to be installed during construction.
Because explosives were found, they
had to be used just prior to and to cause the building to come down.

reply to post by benoni


Nah I already had a potty mouth prior to 9/11. And the bad taste in my mouth comes from those who would say my country did this to it's own people, and they have not one shred of evidence to back that up.
I am not an islamaphobe, I do not agree with the muslim center being located where it is, however I have no problem with muslims in any other location, I feel that one is sensitive to this matter. My loved one was murdered in that spot, by radicals, ordered and trained at the hand of a man hell bent on destroying the USA. Some of his many tools are deception which leads to the division of peoples. theorists in this matter have played right into his game.

Until evidence appears to the contrary of what is known, I am compelled to believe that what I saw happen, happened the way I saw it, you cannot tell me explosives were found at the site, then explain where they came from on a whim. If you have proof of explosives, then you need proof as well of how they got there. Or if they were even there.

Show me some hard evidence that is also tied to an office, a person, ect. Right now that evidence points to Osama Bin Laden and his trained killers/martyrs.

reply to post by slugger9787


Says who? I know it is possible for workers to install items of an array of shapes, sizes, types, into the walls of a building being constructed. I have seen it done, just like I used to put my signature behind every firewall I ever participated in building. I have seen a gun placed into a cinderblock prior to concrete being poured, I have seen walls purposely weakened during the building process, a sad but true way for a disgruntled employee to 'get back'. So what is you platform for a solid 'this cannot be possible' when it comes to prior placement of explosives? And how do you think several floors of explosives could be set up in a building full of 6000+ people without notice?

reply to post by space cadet


Well space...no disrespect and i am sorry for your loss and anyone who lost a friend,relative or loved one in this enormous CRIME.

now the reason i highlighted the word crime.

if i lost anyone anyone to a crime i would want the perps to be caught and dealt with.
what we know is that the goverment blocked all access to the site.
we know materials were promptly removed ...and destroyed.
we know that independants could not gain access to materials.
we alot of the OS story we're being told is not exactly true.
we know a lot of Engineering professionals dont agree that the buildings suffered a progressive collapse(myself included)

we dont know how ill trained supposed Cesna pilots could fly complicated passenger jets into targets with such precision
we dont know the TRUE reasons the buildings collapsed...three steel frame buidlings with substantial inner cores
we don't know why Silverman would use a demolition term PULL IT
we don't know why George Bush was so quick to base his decisions on feeble excuses to go to war with out proper information.

There are for some reason that so many people think these things have been disproven...but offer no real proof themselves....they believe reports and far fetched stories from TPTB

NOW if i personally lost a loved one in such a crime with so many unkowns....i would be demanding anwsers...and believe me there are many people in your position that are demanding anwers.

i am a person trying to piece the facts together...i have my own ideas and theories....but i will try to always find the evidence to make the puzzle whole.

people are still following the trail of JFK...and this is just as big if not bigger.

NOW if it is found out to be a false flag operation or a greedy money trail...then a lot more people have been killed for no reason....iraqi,afghans,americans,canadians,australians,polish,french, and many more people conned into this situation.

this is not just an american thing....this is global....so let none forget this.... the collateral damge on lives is huge.

we talk about the 2,700+ on the day...but the numbers are well over 100,000 in my tally if you include the loss of life through the subsequent wars. DISGUSTING

Originally posted by space cadet
And the bad taste in my mouth comes from those who would say my country did this to it's own people, and they have not one shred of evidence to back that up.

There is more than enough evidence.

But let me ask you, what evidence would you have to see to change your mind about 9/11? In most cases I find the answer I get from people like you is basically that there is nothing that would ever change your mind.

however I have no problem with muslims in any other location

As long as the mighty arm of the US military can reach them and wipe out their wretched religion of war, right?

reply to post by bsbray11


Show me the bomb material. Plain and simple, that is one thing you could do for proof. Then you need to show how it was obtained and by who. That is a start. Or you could show me some kind of proof on paper, or a computer disk, if such an operation were planned there would be a paper trail or computer trail, just like the one our government tracked-that led them to al-queda operatives, the trail of paper left behind by the hijackers.

You could show me who might have been involved, other than Bush, he obviously wasn't there when it happened, or Cheney, so who do you think did it? Why can't any name or proof of that come to light?

There are tons of videos out there with supposed truths, but when I watch them they are in fact speculation. I still have not seen any proof. There is a thread on ATS tonight speculating whether or not Bush did it based on his reactions when told of 911. An expert in body movements may be able to give their opinion on that, but anyone lesser, it is pure speculation.

reply to post by plube


"if i lost anyone anyone to a crime i would want the perps to be caught and dealt with.
what we know is that the goverment blocked all access to the site.
we know materials were promptly removed ...and destroyed.
we know that independants could not gain access to materials.
we alot of the OS story we're being told is not exactly true.
we know a lot of Engineering professionals dont agree that the buildings suffered a progressive collapse(myself included) "

How do you know the government blocked all access to the site? And if they did, wouldn't you think a crime scene of this caliber would be blocked until an investigation could be started?

Of course materials were promptly removed. Destroyed? I have never heard that one, if they were I would like to see proof of that, who took it, who destroyed it, ect, and what was the official reason for it.I am aware that at most crime scenes materials are taken for evidence.

As evidence of course independants would not be allowed access to materials from a crime scene unless a court ordered such to be done by a professional. It protects the evidence. Something of this caliber would most certainly be under the heaviest of locks and keys.

As far you you knowing that 'a lot of the OS story is not true', that sounds more like an opinion to me.

I don't believe one part of the story, that is flight 93, the obvious is that it was shot down to avoid another plane crashing into another building. People didn't want to hear that the US shot down an airplane full of innocent people, but I have no proof, it is only my theory, but quite a plausible one.

Originally posted by space cadet
If explosive materials were found, and architects/engineers are revealing 'hard evidence' of such, it really doesn't say much to me. Explosive material may have been placed into the WTC at the time of it's construction by terrorists with a plan for a future date with disaster, the first time it was bombed, It may have been supposed to do it then, but failed, so another plan came up. Who is to say how explosive material, or when, was introduced into the building. That would take quite a bit of material and labor, I am sure if explosives were placed there later, someone would have noticed, however during the construction of WTC a bag of explosives could have been mixed with concrete, or many other scenarios.

Along your line of thought...
thermite or phosphorus grenades could have been introduced into the rubble immediately after the tandem collapses by agents determined to muddy the waters and put in disarray, the evidence.

Evidence that was sequestered & under guard at the 'Fresh Kills' dump site could also have been deliberately tampered with by some nefarious cabal for reasons we do not know, Yet.


so any 'trace' discoveries are suspect and do not necessarily unveil some factual truth of the disaster

reply to post by St Udio


Good speculating. That is one possibilty, then one would have to speculate who and why this would be done.

I personally don't think explosives were used, I am not an expert for sure, but I know some very intelligent people who are, and I can't find one who agrees that explosives were used.

Originally posted by space cadet
reply to post by St Udio

 

Good speculating. That is one possibilty, then one would have to speculate who and why this would be done.

I personally don't think explosives were used, I am not an expert for sure, but I know some very intelligent people who are, and I can't find one who agrees that explosives were used.

possibly by the same agents dispatched to collapse WC #7... for the purpose of causing confusion and a flimsy linkage between the collapses of towers 1&2 and #7.

if athe physics & forensic evidence showed up only in building 7 then we would all be convinced that its collapse was engineered by specialists on a quick-time operation... but with planted or altered debris from towers 1 & 2, then enough doubt would be present to concoct any story one wished as the explaination.

There are a few consistent miscalculations and interpretations spread all over the Internet during many years now.
And repeated in this thread for the umpteenth time.

Such as this one. Stop extrapolating the 2.3 seconds period of true free/fall in the case of the onset of global collapse of WTC 7, unto the other two WTC towers.

It's simply not true.
If you view the video of the fleeing camera man who held his professional camera with the handle on top, backwards in the direction of the collapsing Tower 2, the south tower, you can see with your own eyes that the total global collapse of that tower did not proceed with free fall speed.
Not at all.

www.youtube.com...



At about 12 seconds the first huge chunks hit the ground, then half of the tower still had to collapse.
It's more like it took between 18 to 20 seconds.
We can use our own eyes, and clock the time the top of the tower began collapsing, and the time the first big heavy chunks of outer wall segments impacted the ground, perfectly to observe in that video.
And thus you can see also, that at least half of the tower is still standing undamaged, and the collapse front has about halfway high proceeded down, when the first chunks of outer wall hit the soil.

This is an example of an investigative mind, by David Chandler from AEforTruth.org , combining visible explosions from parts of the explosion cloud with simple science :

www.youtube.com...



Thus we can see with our own eyes that a chunk of the top of the tower is propelled away and then suddenly changes direction, under a near 90° vector change.
That can only mean one thing :

An explosion caused that. In mid-air.

You can also clearly see smoke trailing chunks racing downwards ahead of the free falling main portion of the rest of the first outer walls that were exploded away and then at last reached true free fall speed in air.
There are vector programs online, where you can mark different points on the arcs of all these smoke trailing chunks and extrapolate-back to their origins and their original speeds. It's a lot of work, but will show some peculiar things.
Btw, smoke in most cases means fire. In other words, heated material to far above room temperatures, starting to evaporate the material itself.

Of course the planners of this event did take in consideration that those towers should not collapse near free fall speeds.
They placed charges on about every 3 floors, which you can see perfectly if you study enlarged sequences of the South and North towers collapses. Especially when you combine different viewpoints you can only conclude one thing :
There were rings of explosions set off at the onset of collapse, which of course bleed away in the following huge explosion cloud proceeding down. But the first 10 to 20 explosive rings around the building are clear to see.

Just carefully observe that video in full screen view, and your eyes will be opened for the real TRUTH of 911.

This was the Worlds Biggest crime scene, yet it was cleared up an tucked away really fast! nobody seems to know why? there were very little Forensic teams around,, just a mixture of Firemen an Cops desperately digging for Survivors! any other major crime scene is usually cornered of an sealed from the Public! but not this time,,the rubble an steel girders were rushed off to Places unknown in record speed why? any Cops or ex Cops on here that can shed a light on this matter?

"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor"...Archbishop Desmond Tutu

reply to post by space cadet

and they have not one shred of evidence to back that up.
That statement alone says it all ! none of you look an see any vid or anything else we put up to show you evidence to the contrary! you are just not able to except the fact that your Government could do such a thing to its own citizens! you would rather stay in denial,, sad really...

Originally posted by DCDAVECLARKE
It has been 9 years...and every claim has been disproven..
Disproven by who? you? you coulden care less if it was proven otherwise you would crawl into your little cave like the man you think did this to your fellow man.. justice will prevail

Disproven by dozens of ATS members and yes including me...

Stop talking BS and show this so called proof... European governments like Spain found that the 9/11 terrorists planned the attacks mainly in Spain, and other European countries like Germany... But of course people like you don't care about the real evidence and instead have to make up fantasies...

Oh and btw, i don't crawl, I stand up like a man and stand behind the EVIDENCE and the FACTS instead of using a day that was tragic to try to get Americans to believe the fantasies people like you come up with...

Originally posted by DCDAVECLARKE
This was the Worlds Biggest crime scene, yet it was cleared up an tucked away really fast! nobody seems to know why? there were very little Forensic teams around,, just a mixture of Firemen an Cops desperately digging for Survivors! any other major crime scene is usually cornered of an sealed from the Public! but not this time,,the rubble an steel girders were rushed off to Places unknown in record speed why? any Cops or ex Cops on here that can shed a light on this matter?

"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor"...Archbishop Desmond Tutu

For crying out loud.... it is obvious some people can't use their brains to realize that you can't leave the bodies and pieces of the people rotting for days meanwhile a group of fanatics walk all over the pieces of the Americans who died that day...

You can't leave bodies to rot for days because it would cause disease to spread...but for some reason people like you can't think about this fact...

The rubble, and tragically lot of pieces of the Americans who died that day had to be removed as fast as possible so they wouldn't rot and cause disease in new York....

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


I except that! but,,, there were hardly any bodies found,, but i was mainly talking about the Derbies an the steel structure the way it was whisked away so quickly makes me think there's something amiss, same for the other two sites?

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

Disproven by dozens of ATS members and yes including me...
You put an S on the end of dozen! i think more like 5 or maybe 6or7! at the most, theres just as much or maybe more honest men like me who say otherwise..