Archbishop says UK taxpayer should help fund Pope visit

reply to post by mackey1224uk


The Chinese Premier was not welcome by me, but he came to the UK. He paid nothing for the police presence which protected him from the crowds. I would argue that the Chinese one-party dictatorship is of greater world harm than Catholicism due numbers of people directly subjugated against their will. You can generally choose not to be a Catholic, but in China (or Tibet) you cannot choose very much with a jack boot on your throat.

I did not hear the do-gooders squealing about the Chinese paying when they came for their State Visit, nor do I hear of you cutting-edge righteous swords-of-light on these Boards purposefully boycotting Chinese goods. Perspective is what counts and there is a danger that people’s dislike for religion generally or Catholicism specifically makes them as blinkered and bigoted as their imagination of the target of their ire.

Your other point is interesting. I expect the Pope has to treat Her Majesty with the required respect and reverence that etiquette demands in what would be a meticulously choreographer meeting. You don’t need to bow when you meet the Queen, but I expect the Pope will have to call her “Your Majesty”. Not sure how she would address him, but probably “Your Holiness” rather than Joseph and I am sure the portrait of Henry VIII would be covered.

Regards

Originally posted by foxhoundone
reply to post by Parallex

 

I take it the pope will not be stopping by for tea & scones in my part of the town then ..

or here in portadown.....there would be a riot of biblical scale...
edit to ad ..the Protector Of Pedophiles Everywhere.. = the p.o.p.e

[edit on 6-9-2010 by fatdad]

reply to post by Parallex


Apolls accepted and i wasnt very clear in hind sight so i feel bad about it


God....

What is God??? an omni present being that must have one hell of a supply of Anadin ....

What is the Christian name for the Christian deity?
Yahweh is the Hebrew name, i know its not Bob or Frank cos they live down the road but ive never known the name...
Can u imagine if his name was frank and was at the beginning of the UK national Anthem?? how weird or what?? Hate the tune too!!

Anyway - P.O.P.E. loved that accronym made me laugh for ages i had to give it a star...


Regards

Git

reply to post by Parallex


Considering All the Wealth the Vatican Bank and the Catholic Church have amassed over the Centuries , wouldn't you think they could Afford to pay for one of their Collegium Pontificum's Travel exspenses ?

reply to post by Zanti Misfit


Well i for one would of thought that , but it seems we lesser souls should fork out for it.

Now , if it were Kylie coming on a visit i think i would pay a lil something, least i could say i own a piece of that lovely ass.. And no i dont feel the same about the Pope!!!

Regards

Git


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Rather !

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[edit on 7-9-2010 by Zanti Misfit]

C'mon everyone...we're talking about the POPE! Don't you realize the poor guy is broke, and simply can't possibly come up with even a paltry 12 million pounds to cover the expense of this most important spiritual trip to Britain. The Vatican certainly can't afford to pay for the trip, the proof being that there are millions of Catholics living in poverty, in third world countries. Some of these same countries it seems are at perpetual civil war, but they need these wars not only to give the people something to do, they also keep their minds off the conditions in which they live. There is no way such a kind hearted and concerned religious leader such as the Pope would even consider taking all that away from them, even if he could afford to ease their lives somewhat by helping bring starvation to an end. So lighten up Britain and pay for the poor guy's trip, then afterward send him over to Canada, where our politicians will be only too happy to waste the taxpayers' money! Then there's the Royal Family....another bunch of freeloaders!

reply to post by Bkrmn


OMG

Dont start on about the royals!!! It will rattle the natives, its another topic that gets a monthly bashing! Still i would rather fight and subsidise Queen and country than a wispy old geaser who probably cant wipe his own butt!

Least she does stuff thats useful. (now and again)

God Save The Queen or is that being hypocritical???

Regards

Git

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Originally posted by paraphi
reply to post by mackey1224uk

 

I did not hear the do-gooders squealing about the Chinese paying when they came for their State Visit, nor do I hear of you cutting-edge righteous swords-of-light on these Boards purposefully boycotting Chinese goods. Perspective is what counts and there is a danger that people’s dislike for religion generally or Catholicism specifically makes them as blinkered and bigoted as their imagination of the target of their ire.

China is a trading partner with a population of over one billion so a State Visit from their leader is somewhat more justifiable (even taking into account 'issues').

With regard to a dislike of religion informing an individuals position on this - well, you're absolutely correct. And what's wrong with that?

[edit on 7/9/2010 by DSSONE]

Thing is folks,the Popes company,and thats what the Vatican is,a company,could afford to buy him a fleet of f-22 raptors for the trip to the UK,then have him put up in a purpose built diamond and gold hotel,without even noticing the difference in their bank statement.

Why do we the happless taxpayer have to pay?
Simple-because all governments fawn and simper over a pope visit-hes kind of like a rock star to the elite-the boss of the most balls out corrupt company in the history of the world IMO.

Politicians would literally cut off there own you know whats to get a photo with Ratzinger.

You watch em when he arrives,Cameron, clegg and co will be simpering over him like teenage girls at a beatles concert.

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The Popemobile has arrived! What an odd looking vehicle.

I believe if we pay for the Pope then we must extend that welcome to all religious leaders, no matter how wacky and bizarre, This man is responsible for more crimes against humanity than most other religious leaders I can think of. The damage his anti contraception stance has had on third world Catholic countries is an outrage.

His views on homosexuality, the protection of peado priests and his readmission to the church of Holocaust denier Bishop Richard Williamson just show The Pope should command no respect from any decent human being

reply to post by woodwardjnr


Just because the Catholic Church takes a view on homosexuality, contraception et al does not make the Pope guilty of “crimes against humanity” and to suggest such is rather puerile.

There is too much blinkered, ill informed simplicity regarding the Catholic Church by some posters demonstrated by some of the comments so far.

First off, I am not a Catholic and I am not naturally inclined to defend the Catholic Church, but the level of debate is so low that I feel compelled challenge the ignorance and inject perspective..

I would agree that the Catholic position on contraception probably contributes to a problem in some Catholic countries, in the same way as the position on contraception by some parts of the Muslim world causes social problems in those countries. Similarly, Catholicism may not allow women ministers, but at least women are not second class citizens like in some countries where other religions predominate.

The charitable work by some Catholic charities (such as CAFOD) is highly beneficial to some of the worlds poorest nations. Catholic charities are the third highest giver of aid in sub-Saharan Africa, for example and Catholic nations are amongst the highest givers per capita to charitable appeals, such as Haiti and the recent tragedy in Pakistan.

Whilst we all abhor the actions of a small number of paedophile priests, it is silly to write off a whole religious movement because of it. All religions have bad apples and I am sure there are skeletons in the cupboard of every religion – Amish through to Zoroastrianism.

As a last point. To assess the strictures of Catholicism you need to consider the position of other religions and you may well find that Catholicism is not that extreme. Plus, you can chose not to be a Catholic.

On contraception
- Islam 1
- Islam 2
- Catholic

On homosexuality
- Islam
- Catholic
- Mormon

Etc… Do your own research and learn.

Regards

reply to post by Parallex
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The tickets for the Pope's visit aren't selling well!

The UK is not a very religious country these days.

The UK public does not like organisations which fail to totally condemn and do everything possible to rid themselves of widespread sexual abuse of children.

The Vatican is one of the wealthiest 'bodies' in the world. It can afford to and should pay every penny itself.

By this statement the spokesman shows what little consideration he has for the hard economic times many are going through. Yes, put this burden too on the taxpayer.

After all, taxpayers are the drudges of society, and pay for all the luxuries and wealth and foreign trips of the 'elite', as well as the criminal banking system which lends money to a nation, only for the taxpayer to be burdened for life with the interest payments alone.

End the Bank of England and Federal Reserve criminal usuray of the nations of the world. Limit the wealth any 'religious' organisation should accumulate. Use the surplus to help those in need. Let all these elite parasites pay for this charade themselves.

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reply to post by paraphi


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Whilst we all abhor the actions of a small number of paedophile priests, it is silly to write off a whole religious movement because of it.

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Puerile? The actions of a small number of paedophile priests?

For just one example of what you are calling puerile, and the small actions of a small number of paedophile priests, please see this award winning documentary, and the Catholic church's involvement in this.

UNREPENTANT: KEVIN ANNETT AND CANADA'S GENOCIDE (documentary)
video.google.co.uk...#

Then, please see if you still call it puerile.

reply to post by paraphi


Yes, you can choose not to be a Catholic, but that doesn't explain why the taxpayer, and especially the non-catholic tax payer should pay for the papal visit.

reply to post by wcitizen


Suggesting the Pope is guilty of "crimes against humanity" is puerile.

The subject Paedophile priests is not puerile and this was not stated. You need to read my post with the blinkers off and maybe the words will flow easier and in the order that they have been written down.

Regards

Well whether he's a raging paedophile and/or paedophile supporter its still ridiculous how much its going to cost for him to visit. I feel sorry for people having to travel around London on those couple of days as well. My friend got this email from transport for London today;

'Dear ********

I am writing to let you know that on Friday 17 and Saturday 18 September, there will be travel disruption across central London, due to the visit of Pope Benedict XVI.

On Friday afternoon, the Pope will travel from Lambeth Palace to Westminster Hall and Westminster Abbey. On Saturday, there will be events at Westminster Cathedral in the morning and Hyde Park in the evening.

On both days there will be road closures, bus diversions and possible changes to Tube station access in and around these areas.

For more information and help planning your journey, please visit tfl.gov.uk/papalvisit'