Women on top

It looks like the Glass Ceiling has finally been broken and now its the men who are looking up through the glass ceiling to see the women. At least if the women are wearing skirts, the guys can enjoy the view.

Workplace Salaries: At Last, Women on Top


The fact that the average American working woman earns only about 8o% of what the average American working man earns has been something of a festering sore for at least half the population for several decades. And despite many programs and analyses and hand-wringing and badges and even some legislation, the figure hasn't budged much in the past five years.


But now there's evidence that the ship may finally be turning around: according to a new analysis of 2,000 communities by a market research company, in 147 out of 150 of the biggest cities in the U.S., the median full-time salaries of young women are 8% higher than those of the guys in their peer group. In two cities, Atlanta and Memphis, those women are making about 20% more. This squares with earlier research from Queens College, New York, that had suggested that this was happening in major metropolises. But the new study suggests that the gap is bigger than previously thought, with young women in New York City, Los Angeles and San Diego making 17%, 12% and 15% more than their male peers, respectively. And it also holds true even in reasonably small areas like the Raleigh-Durham region and Charlotte in North Carolina (both 14% more), and Jacksonville, Fla. (6%).

www.time.com...

The article goes on to state that this only applies to young, single women without children. Well, duh! Families and children have a tendency to put a cramp in anyone's ability to focus on their business life.

Its nice to see a study that split up the family vs non-family women to finally end the myth that women are underpaid just because of their sex. The wage discrepancy most always had more to do with split responsibilities than it ever had to do with gender.

What really struck me about this article was how much MORE the single, unattached women were able to make compared to their male peers. They make up to 20% more in some cities. It appears to me that they're receiving favoritism over the men now. Makes you wonder what they're doing to earn that favoritism...

I think its time us guys start complaining about the wage disparities WE face in this day and age.

Its only fair...



[edit on 9/4/10 by FortAnthem]

Those numbers have always been skewed anyway. Men have always made more money, in general, because men are far more likely to be the bread winner for the family. Generally speaking, a lot of women have taken the "stay-at-home" role, while the men have gone out and climed the corporate ladder. Some of the women who do work, only do it for a supplamental income or while going through college, whereis after college, women are far more likely to get married and stay at home. This has always made it appear as if women made much less than men on average. Where the rubber actually hits the road, the salaries have generally been the same, if not tipped more in the favor of women.

I know that in the Army, women of the same job, rank and time in service as men, actually make about $300/year more and it has been this way for decades. So basically, if your a women who joins the military, your salary is going to be higher than your male counter-parts and this is in spite of the fact that they don't have to live up to the same strict physical or or behavioral standards of the men.

Another thing that I read a few months ago, is that women are more likely to get hired in the civilian workplace, than their male peers. If you think about it, it makes perfect sense. A lot of people feel more comfortable with women, as opposed to men. If it's between hiring the balding fat guy or the busty blonde, most men are going to hire the the female without even realizing why they make the choice they do. It's a choice made on a subconscious level. We are far more inclined to "like" a female over a male. Of course this can be the opposite too, as hiring a women also means taking on her family "baggage" (for lack of a better word). In otherwords, they may need to take a lot of time off, whether it be to pick up their children from school early or because they get pregnant. In addition to that, there are many jobs where men won't get hired, though women will, such as at daycares, other child centers, secretarial and some service industry jobs, just to name a few. It is illegal to refuse hire to a female due to her sex.

All in all, I don't think that the workplace has been unfair to women, at least since the '70-'80s. Anyway, I just though I would add that little tid-bit.


--airspoon

[edit on 5-9-2010 by airspoon]

Originally posted by FortAnthem

I think its time us guys start complaining about the wage disparities WE face in this day and age.

Its only fair...

Why should I complain? I'm self-employed

I'll stick to complaining about the fiat currency that we're all busting out butts for.

Originally posted by FortAnthem
It looks like the Glass Ceiling has finally been broken and now its the men who are looking up through the glass ceiling to see the women. At least if the women are wearing skirts, the guys can enjoy the view.

Workplace Salaries: At Last, Women on Top

[edit on 9/4/10 by FortAnthem]

Yeah, lol. Not.

As a woman whose struggled consistently with that glass ceiling...that's exactly the type of comment that keeps us there.

So keep at it...you'll get what you want.

Soooooooo...

Whats the gist of all this ???

Women are now making more money than men ?? ...


It's amazing what a Push-Up Bra is capable of.

This has extremely broad ranging implications socially right across the spectrum. With over 60% of university spots now occupied by women and now, obviously, women are making more money, what does that spell for the future of the family unit?

Men only ever did have one choice in life, namely, get your ass your of bed and support your wife and children. Now, they can't even do that. All they have now is a court order against them for support of the children they don't live with or raise and maybe don't even see.

I truly fear for the current generation of young men as idle and frustrated hands tends to lead to more crime and violence - not to mention the impact it will have on the next generation of children.

The feminists won - I guess.....

[edit on 5-9-2010 by leo123] Spelling

[edit on 5-9-2010 by leo123]

FortAnthem,

From this thread of yours here about "fat bottom girls" www.abovetopsecret.com...

along with this one I'm starting to see that you have a fetish for somewhat large, but powerful and monetarily ambitious females who enjoy being on top.

reply to post by leo123


I think it would be very hard to find a more anti-feminine movement than the feminists. It is as if we made the notions of femininity subject to the whims of a group of misogynists.

They freed women to find jobs in the workplace but, now the world demands that women go to work. How is this freedom if you have no choice. The feminist movement has made it so that a woman cannot take it for granted that she will be able to spend time with her children as she will be forced to give 8 (at least) hours of her time to company instead of to her children.

She cannot even take marriage for granted; thanks to the feminists and their "equality" the marriage can be broken at the mere whim of one party. Women may feel that this is freedom because they have equal right to break the contract but, the burden of divorce falls disproportionately on women, especially the ones with children.

And now women are free to use their bodies to titillate men through pornography or pole dancing. Of course this only degrades the role women in the minds of men by turning them into mere sex objects. The sexual freedom "won" by women is used by men to justify jumping from bed to bed with no commitment. How should men feel bad for doing this when women are free to do the same? Who cares that most women seek more of an emotional connection for their satisfaction? They can settle for physical satisfaction now just like the guys they have envied for so long.

In becoming the equals with men, women have, for the most part, had to give up all of the things that made them women in the first place.

Originally posted by FortAnthem
In becoming the equals with men, women have, for the most part, had to give up all of the things that made them women in the first place.

Baboom!

Originally posted by FortAnthem
In becoming the equals with men, women have, for the most part, had to give up all of the things that made them women in the first place.

Further, FortAnthem, if I may be so bold, I would like to contribute to your above quote. Here is my version:

"Now that women have been forced to become like men, women have, for the most part, had to give up all of the things that made them women in the first place."

Originally posted by airspoon

I know that in the Army, women of the same job, rank and time in service as men, actually make about $300/year more and it has been this way for decades. So basically, if your a women who joins the military, your salary is going to be higher than your male counter-parts and this is in spite of the fact that they don't have to live up to the same strict physical or or behavioral standards of the men.

I'm sorry, but I really find the assertion that military women make more than military men, and that women are held to different behavioral standards, hard to believe. Could you please elaborate on how you came to these conclusions?

reply to post by ~Vixen~

I'm sorry, but I really find the assertion that military women make more than military men, and that women are held to different behavioral standards, hard to believe. Could you please elaborate on how you came to these conclusions?

Sounds about right to me.. Vixen...

Originally posted by ~Vixen~
I'm sorry, but I really find the assertion that military women make more than military men, and that women are held to different behavioral standards, hard to believe. Could you please elaborate on how you came to these conclusions?

Vixen:

Given the forced quotas to integrate women into the forces that came into effect several years back, does this reality surprise you?

It certainly doesn't surprise most men as we are used to it on a broad rage of employment hiring practices.

Originally posted by leo123


Given the forced quotas to integrate women into the forces that came into effect several years back, does this reality surprise you?

Actually it does, since I don't recall ever having seen any gender specific differences in allowances between male and female service members of equal rank.

Having entered active duty within 6 months of each other, the only time I ever made more than my husband was when I hit O4 and he was still an O3.

Maybe things have changed since resigning my commission 12 years ago?


[edit on 9/5/2010 by ~Vixen~]

I am personally not intimidated at all by this. The last year of my marriage (I am divorced now - 3 years ago) my ex managed to get a really good job and went from making about $5,000 a year less than I was, to making almost $75,000.00 a year more than me.

Then again, right after she got into that job she did leave me for a 19 year old pretty boy who didn't have a job and who was about twenty years younger than her or myself.

Hrm, maybe there is a point somewhere in your breakdown of the family aspect of this....

Originally posted by FortAnthem
reply to post by leo123

 

I think it would be very hard to find a more anti-feminine movement than the feminists. It is as if we made the notions of femininity subject to the whims of a group of misogynists.

They freed women to find jobs in the workplace but, now the world demands that women go to work. How is this freedom if you have no choice. The feminist movement has made it so that a woman cannot take it for granted that she will be able to spend time with her children as she will be forced to give 8 (at least) hours of her time to company instead of to her children.

She cannot even take marriage for granted; thanks to the feminists and their "equality" the marriage can be broken at the mere whim of one party. Women may feel that this is freedom because they have equal right to break the contract but, the burden of divorce falls disproportionately on women, especially the ones with children.

And now women are free to use their bodies to titillate men through pornography or pole dancing. Of course this only degrades the role women in the minds of men by turning them into mere sex objects. The sexual freedom "won" by women is used by men to justify jumping from bed to bed with no commitment. How should men feel bad for doing this when women are free to do the same? Who cares that most women seek more of an emotional connection for their satisfaction? They can settle for physical satisfaction now just like the guys they have envied for so long.

In becoming the equals with men, women have, for the most part, had to give up all of the things that made them women in the first place.

Now if we can get more people to realize this.

Powerful women are like a potent drug to me! I think they are awesome!

IRM

Originally posted by FortAnthem
They freed women to find jobs in the workplace but, now the world demands that women go to work. How is this freedom if you have no choice. The feminist movement has made it so that a woman cannot take it for granted that she will be able to spend time with her children as she will be forced to give 8 (at least) hours of her time to company instead of to her children.

The days of Father Knows Best and Leave it to Beaver are gone. Many men assume that women choose to work out of necessity, but that's only a half-truth. Many of us choose to work because as cognizant human beings we prefer the challenges of working over sitting at home eating Bon Bons and watching soap operas. You may believe that my place is at home with the kids, but when the kids are in school it gets boring sitting at home alone baking cookies. We work, cook, clean and take care of the kids. As long as it's all getting done, where's the harm in us helping with the family finances? Men are the stereotypical brad earners in out society. but with the way things are now, most families need the additional income to help pay for the large house, new car, big screen TV, insurance and other household luxuries.

Originally posted by FortAnthem
She cannot even take marriage for granted; thanks to the feminists and their "equality" the marriage can be broken at the mere whim of one party. Women may feel that this is freedom because they have equal right to break the contract but, the burden of divorce falls disproportionately on women, especially the ones with children.

What exactly are you tying to imply? Are you saying that equality is to blame for the sad state of marital relationships? That we shouldn't have the right to dissolve a marriage without male consent? Regardless of the antiquated traditions of days gone by, we're not your property... we're partners who should be treated equally.

Originally posted by FortAnthem
And now women are free to use their bodies to titillate men through pornography or pole dancing. Of course this only degrades the role women in the minds of men by turning them into mere sex objects. The sexual freedom "won" by women is used by men to justify jumping from bed to bed with no commitment. How should men feel bad for doing this when women are free to do the same? Who cares that most women seek more of an emotional connection for their satisfaction? They can settle for physical satisfaction now just like the guys they have envied for so long.

Oh, so now we're just strippers and whores? Mere sex objects? With such a mediocre level of respect, is there any wonder why the divorce rate is what it is?

Originally posted by FortAnthem
In becoming the equals with men, women have, for the most part, had to give up all of the things that made them women in the first place.

Please define for me what a woman is. What make us women, and what actions have we taken that have stripped us of our femininity?

reply to post by ~Vixen~

I'm sorry, but I really find the assertion that military women make more than military men, and that women are held to different behavioral standards, hard to believe. Could you please elaborate on how you came to these conclusions?

Sure, I came to that conclusion because I lived it for many years. You see, women in the Army make more money than men. It's somewhere around the sum of $300/year, not much but enough to count it as more. I'm not sure about the other services but I'd bet they do. Oh, I forgot to mention that this is for enlisted only.

You see, when enlisted personnel first ship off to basic training, they receive their uniforms at no cost. If these uniforms are torn up in combat or due to training, they get replaced for free as well. However, along with that, each enlisted soldier receives a clothing allowance every year to buy uniforms but because they are basically free anyway, people hardly, if ever, need to spend that money on uniforms. Women's clothing allowance equals about $300 more than their male counter-parts. Generally speaking, there should be no reason that soldiers need to purchase new uniforms and if they do, then they have done something wrong. You see, each time a soldier reenlists, they also get brand new uniforms so there should be no reason that a uniform gets torn up with 3-5 years off duty. Furthermore, if sizing is the problem, then you obviously aren't staying in shape, which is grounds to get you kicked out of the Army all together or put in a fat program before getting kicked out. Physical fitness in the Army is an absolute must, no excuses what-so-ever. So, there really is no good reason for clothing allowances, though enlisted soldiers get them anyway and of course women get more.

As far as the different standards, women don't have to live up to the same cosmetic standards, such as haircuts and what not. They also don't have to live up to the same physical standards. I believe that you are tested on your physical standards every couple of months or so and of course physical training is everyday. Most women that I have encountered say that there physical standards are a joke and the statistics prove it. You see, the tests of your physical ability are graded from 0%-100% and most women make that 100% easily, even if they have to be put in the fat program, which basically says that their physical standards are a joke. While the guys have to train very, very hard to achieve the same standards, women don't. For instance, on the quarterly 5 mile run, I think the women get twice as long as the men, just as with the 2 mile run (though times differ due to age and sex). The same thing for push-ups and sit-ups as well, though the gap is much, much larger. Most women laugh at how little they are expected to do.

Also the discipline. Because of sexual harassment suits, women can't be treated as you would expect the military to treat soldiers. Things like yelling or singling out are prohibited for females, while they aren't for males. Basically, they aren't allowed to train hard.

Now, make no mistake about it, this isn't the fault of the female soldiers as I have met quite a few who would rather it be different. It's just that the Army has been sued [for sexual harassment] so many times by a female who gets angry with her Drill Sergeant because he yelled at her or something didn't seem fair, so to cutback on opportunities of women wanting to "get even", the Army just nixed it all-together. Because of this, women are basically treated with velvet gloves. Again, this is no fault of their own and I have known a few ladies who could pull just as much weight, if not more, than some guys (pogues). However, if they don't want to, and in many cases even if they do, women don't have to live up to the same standards set for men, while getting paid about $300 a year more.

I hope this answered your question.



--airspoon


[edit on 5-9-2010 by airspoon]

reply to post by FortAnthem


You sound like you feel threatened by the idea of a woman making more than you, especially with the sexist comments about looking up at skirts and questioning what women do to get that money.