Fewer Young Voters See Themselves as Democrats

reply to post by whatukno

In my parents generation - the WWII generation, people rarely revealed how they voted or their party affiliation (it was considered a very private matter).so maybe there will be a swing back to that given how prone people are to violence against one another now.

When I want to get real about things I think about each of my neighbors and while there is quite a political spectrum represented I think we'd all protect each other if we knew political violence was coming to any of us. Being in a more rural area everyone has guns...but not everyone brandishes them or reveals what they have. I find it amusing that so many people think democrats and left leaning people are unarmed or unwilling to protect themselves and their neighbors.

Young voters don't see themselves as Democrats?

Thanks Obama!

I am 22 and I know quite a few people in my age group who are conservatives (including myself) and an even bigger group who are independents/not affiliated with a party. The whole "the youth blindly vote Democrat" is a myth ... at least on Long Island.

I'm 25, a solid Constitutionalist, a hard worker. I dont care what side you're on, if your first consideration isn't the Supreme Law of the land, then you're not worth my time.

I'm tired of politicians and pundits who ignore our Constitution, our history and our core principles.

Originally posted by whatukno
Now you take your average college kid, many times these 20 somethings have a liberal mindset, (kinda goes with being young) unless they are the Neo Hitler Youth, by which I mean the Young Republicans, these kids tend to be liberal.

Obviously they don't want to die in some half cocked plan by the right to start murdering Americans if the right doesn't get their way, so they hide their liberal bias and try to opt in to the group and conform. Probably easier to hide being a liberal now than in 10 years being forced to wear a donkey badge wherever you go or being shoved into some Conservative Concentration camp waiting for the slaughter.

Strange the old Hitler youth were part of the Nazi party. I could have sworn Nazi means National Socialist. I could have sworn "socialist" and liberal are the ones with something in common.

And fear of a conservative concentration camp? Look at history. It was the leftist FDR that installed concentration camps to inter Japanese during WW2. It was the National SOCIALIST party in Germany that exterminated the Jews. Some of the most cruel concentration camps were set up by communist China and the USSR. Concentration camps are meant to detain political enemies and are tools of oppressive leftist or monarch governments.

A neo Hitler youth is not conservative. They want to change government and use them to enact their sick beliefs. This goes for the neo-con right as well. They are not conservative, they are big government types and have more in common with leftist loons than anything else. All they want is to use government to control instead of actual Constitutional freedom.

People are screaming revolution because that is how the country was founded. We are sick of the big government left and big government right. In the days of the founders, the belief was usually that large governments we oppressive, large standing armies were bad, imperialism and entangle alliances were to be avoided, any tax was to be rigorously questioned, central banks were the work of the devil, and owning guns was encouraged.

This isn't a murdering Nazi style belief. Constitutionalists that scream revolution aren't KKK freaks wanting to bring back slavery.

It's really simple, the government has gone overboard, people are sick of it, young people included.

But speaking about intimidation...My wife is in her 20's and she has dark skin. She is more scared of the die hard Obama-ites than anyone else. Any opposition to the current system is deemed as racist before any discussion can began. Imagine a white young person. They probably feign liberalism so they can avoid getting harassed be legally racist crowds such as La Raza and other leftist groups that usually hang on campus.

Originally posted by whatukno
They could be just trying to avoid being singled out by the inevitable Conservative gestapo death squads that are coming. With their "Our version of Freedom or we'll kill you!" campaign.

Just yesterday I read a post by a member here saying he wants to hang all Democrats. It's understandable that some may want to actually live past this recession and not get slaughtered by the coming conservative horde.

Geez, don't you ever get tired of posting this crap. I'm getting tired of seeing it. How about a post without the extremist liberal slant, day in and day out. How about some real meat in your future posts that have something to do with getting us out of this mess cause by both politic parties. How about something constructive for a change of pace.

I could post daily about Democrats and the "kill the cracker babies" comments, as opposed to your "Conservative gestapo death squads", but what would it do to help solve our problems? It doesn't and I know you can do better than this!

BTW, how did your run for political office go. Are you still in the running or are you waiting for another go around in 2012?

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wutone, You're So Very Correct.

Some thing people need to remember, North Korea and Communist China and
North Vietnam still have to this day a type of reeducation camps and detention centers.

whatukno, and his Rant about: [Probably easier to hide being a liberal now than in 10 years being forced to wear a donkey badge wherever you go or being shoved into some Conservative Concentration camp waiting for the slaughter.]
Reminds me that the above mentions Countries are basically Socialist like you mentioned, So, with that in mind, Don't you think that the Progressive Liberals, with 100% control in the Washington D. C. They'd be sending the poor Conservatives to a Reeducation Camp of some sort.
I mean, you can't have Free Thinkers Walking Among You and with the Possibility of Speaking Your Thoughts of our Constitution and Freedoms to Strangers. I mean, You Have To Be Controlled, You have to be part of their Welfare Program and told what to think and believe, That's The Progressive Liberal Way!

Just My Thoughts on the Subject of Progressive Liberals and how they like Control. You don't have to agree or even reply, see that's the Great Thing about being a free thinker, you don't have to do anything you don't want to do.

We're know has Conservatives and Independents.

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Strange the old Hitler youth were part of the Nazi party. I could have sworn Nazi means National Socialist. I could have sworn "socialist" and liberal are the ones with something in common.

You obviously have a skewed version of history.

Through the 1920s, Hitler gave speech after speech in which he stated that unemployment, rampant inflation, hunger and economic stagnation in postwar Germany would continue until there was a total revolution in German life. Most problems could be solved, he explained, if communists and Jews were driven from the nation. His fiery speeches swelled the ranks of the Nazi Party, especially among young, economically disadvantaged Germans.

www.history.com...

Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism; alternatively spelled Naziism[1]) was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany. It was a unique variety of fascism that involved biological racism and antisemitism. Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic, incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics.

en.wikipedia.org...

Gee, that sounds like extremist right wing speech here on ats and other places on the web doesn't it?

Also sounds like someone else too...

A neo Hitler youth is not conservative. They want to change government and use them to enact their sick beliefs. This goes for the neo-con right as well. They are not conservative...

Really? Are you so sure about that?


See, they are "patriots" and they don't like illegals either. Just like conservatives.


There ya go! Conservatives and the American National Socialist Party agree on something! (well, they agree on lots of things but I digress)

Here is a recording of the 911 call made by the victim who survived -- the mother of 9-year-old Brisenia Flores, who was shot "two or three times" while her mother lay nearby. As she's on the phone, you can hear the killers return and open fire on her again, and hear her return fire:

Arizona Minutemen at work. A nice peaceful conservative group

This isn't a murdering Nazi style belief. Constitutionalists that scream revolution aren't KKK freaks wanting to bring back slavery.

Except for those "Constitutionalists" that want to remove the 13th Amendment.

Why Some Republicans Want to ‘Restore’ the 13th Amendment

Right, sure, they don't want to bring back slavery that's why they want to remove the existing 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution and implement one they like to call "the original 13th Amendment"

RPI Platform

We call for the reintroduction and ratification of the original 13th Amendment, not the 13th Amendment in today’s Constitution.

The political landscape today has conservatives bullying everyone and intimidating everyone to go their way, using subtle and not so subtle threats of violence to obtain their goal of a fascist state.

reply to post by Oldnslo

Geez, don't you ever get tired of posting this crap. I'm getting tired of seeing it. How about a post without the extremist liberal slant, day in and day out.

I am going to speak out against fascist conservative threats of violence whenever I see it. Maybe I wouldn't have to if others would help and speak out against those that just want to burn down this Republic and install a fascist conservative regime filled with intolerance and hate.

BTW, how did your run for political office go. Are you still in the running or are you waiting for another go around in 2012?

Unfortunately I didn't get enough signatures in time to get on the ballot this time, but I will be trying again in 2012. I do want to work to help this country instead of just whining about how bad it is.



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Originally posted by whatukno
It was a unique variety of fascism that involved biological racism and antisemitism.

Hmmm...Antisemitism is definitely in vogue with the far left, these days. So what does that say about them?



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Hmmm...Antisemitism is definitely in vogue with the far left, these days. So what does that say about them?

That would seem to say that the far left is Anti-Semitic (that is of course if you can prove that the far left is Anti-Semitic), I am not saying that the Far Left doesn't have any faults. I am just saying that these conservative groups, especially those that continuously call for a violent revolution in this country aren't solving anything through their calls for violence. And it's those calls for violence that are making young voters shy away from speaking their minds freely.

Think about the young liberal in this country, right now the right wingers are so enraged that most young liberals will deny being Democrats if questioned. They might be afraid of a beating for just being a Democrat.



[edit on 9/5/2010 by whatukno]

Originally posted by whatukno
Think about the young liberal in this country, right now the right wingers are so enraged that most young liberals will deny being Democrats if questioned. They might be afraid of a beating for just being a Democrat.

Even for you, WUK, that is a ridiculous notion.

Nathan Tabor, a Tea Party activist assaulted by Governor Spencer at a Tea Party rally in North Carolina- June 8, 2010

Unnamed female Tea Party rally attendee assaulted by Obama supporter in Princeton, Minnesota 2010

A.N.S.W.E.R. members assault two Tea Party rally attendees - Ft. Lauderdale 2009

Black Panther members standing outside a polling place brandishing clubs

Who should be afraid of who?

reply to post by WTFover


Do you have any sources to back up your claims?

I bothered to reference my side of the issue, if you don't we can't really believe you.

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Yeah, but the incidents are known well enough that I don't think it necessary. You're only going to believe what you want to anyway.

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Fine, then, let us review your cases that you cited here as proof of left wing violence. Once this is done I will add some examples of right wing violence.

Nathan Tabor, a Tea Party activist assaulted by Governor Spencer at a Tea Party rally in North Carolina- June 8, 2010

I carefully reviewed the video a few times and I have to say that this Governor Spencer was definitely in the wrong here. I don't know what was said prior to the attack that may have provoked him, but it was clear to me that Spencer was in the wrong.

Unnamed female Tea Party rally attendee assaulted by Obama supporter in Princeton, Minnesota 2010

I have a real hard time accepting that this story actually happened.

www.examiner.com...

No arrests were made and the gentleman was last seen leaving in a pickup truck. Leaders of the group later discussed what security measures should be taken in the future to ensure the safety of the meetings. One source indicated that someone took a picture of the man in his truck as he was leaving.

I mean, no arrests were made, and no one knew who the man was but apparently they knew he was an Obama supporter? How? Seems to me his only comment was that these TEA Party people were Anti Government. This sounds like bull crap to me.

A.N.S.W.E.R. members assault two Tea Party rally attendees - Ft. Lauderdale 2009

On Nov. 14, we were so busy chasing after David Irving, this thing slipped by. Then again, it is STILL slipping by a lot of folks. Only Faux News covered the anti-immigration Tea Parties that took place that day, and they only did it the next day. In addition, a video of folks from the ANSWER Coalition and the anti-immigration side duking it out at the rally in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida has gone viral - until someone innoculated YouTube with a copyright infringement complaint. Alas, that's not all the press this day will get, because we are on the story. That means some of our neo-Nazi buds made an appearence. The guy in the picture is a little baby Nazi college student named John Hilton, and he was at that Ft. Lauderdale rally.

ANTI-IMMIGRATION GROUP SAYS THEY 'KNOW NOTHING' ABOUT THE RACISTS AT NOV. 14 RALLIES

Could have been a reason for that.

Black Panther members standing outside a polling place brandishing clubs

This one is my favorite, I just love how people freaked out over this.



These guys were standing there. Ohhh so freaking scary. I guess that might be why the case was dropped in the end huh? Because standing somewhere is not a violent act. Oh and here's a thing, how come a Tea Party activist can be at a rally with a gun but this guy cant stand there with a bat? Is there a double standard somewhere that I don't know about?



Now for the other side.

Scott Roeder:

The May 31 murder of abortion doctor George Tiller, 67, has already been reconstructed in chilling detail: the threats to Good Samaritans who tried to intervene, the single shot in a Wichita, Kans., church, the wailing wife, the gunman's powder-blue getaway car decorated with a red rose — an antiabortion emblem — and a Jesus fish. But specifics about the suspected shooter, Scott Roeder, 51, are only just starting to emerge. Roeder had been following, and decrying, Tiller's work — which included performing abortions after 21 weeks — for years. Early reports on Roeder, who was taken into custody shortly after the shooting and is expected to be charged Tuesday, show a history of antiabortion, antigovernment philosophy and protest.

Read more: www.time.com...

Jim Adkisson:

Police found right-wing political books, brass knuckles, empty shotgun shell boxes and a handgun in the Powell home of a man who said he attacked a church in order to kill liberals "who are ruining the country," court records show.

Source: Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity on accused shooter's reading list

James Von Brunn:

WASHINGTON — The 89-year-old white supremacist charged in a deadly shooting at Washington's Holocaust museum died Wednesday in North Carolina, where he'd been held while awaiting trial, authorities said.

James von Brunn died shortly before 1 p.m. at a local hospital in Butner, N.C., said Denise Simmons, the spokeswoman for the federal prison where von Brunn had been held. He had been suffering from chronic congestive heart failure, sepsis and other health problems, she said.

Source: James Von Brunn Dead: Holocaust Museum Shooter Died In Hospital



Just so you know where this anti immigrant movement came from.

John Tanton



And how about threats of violence when Health Care Reform passed?

Smashed windows. Threats of violence. A slashed gas line. Reports of vandalism and threats against Democrats have been stacking up over the past few days.

Majority Leader Steny Hoyer today estimated that 10 members had been threatened over the health care vote.

MAP: A Guide To Recent Vandal Attacks On Democrats (UPDATED)

Chuck Norris claims thousands of right wing cell groups exist and will rebel against U.S. government

The call by some right wing leaders for rebellion and for the military to refuse the commander in chief’s orders is joined by Chuck Norris who claims that thousands of right wing cell groups have organized and are ready for a second American Revolution. During an appearance on the Glen Beck radio show he promised that if things get any worse from his point of view he may “run for president of Texas.” The martial artist/actor/activist claims that Texas was never formally a part of the United States in the first place and that if rebellion is to come through secession Texas would lead the way.

So there you go, right wing violence, right wing threats of violence, and even right wing threats of Chuck Norris. (that last one was a joke BTW)

No wonder that young voters are shying away from being liberals. That sort of thing might get you killed by some right wing nut!

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Sorry but I can either agree with your MSM and government education sourced information or I can go directly to historical quotes.

"Socialism is the concept of the world of the future which can only be realized in the socialist state."

- Joseph Goebbels, minster of propaganda, Nazi Germany

"The National Socialist movement has one single master: Marxism."

- Goebbels

There are many more and many more hard examples in history that the MSM doesn't want anyone to know because they like race baiting.

Today's neo-nazis, the real neo nazis, are leftists because they want to use government for their own ends. Even if some want to portray STATE sponsored racism as right wing, it still is state sponsored, something constitutionalists oppose.

The people that you like labeling neo nazis because they oppose illegal immigration is just another way of attacking someone falsely using race instead of having a normal debate.

Unless the tea party rallies, Glenn Beck rallies, or Sarah Palin's armband have swastikas or KKK logos, it can't really be labeled as having anything in common with such organizations that blatantly proclaim their beliefs. Unless you believe that the darker skinned people that attend such rallies (which the MSM tries so very hard to ignore or cover up) are neo-nazis, then your entire argument is false and you are using a very small number of psychotic reactionaries to make your point.

The real hard truth is that it is the leftist that have turned into the racists and it is entirely legalized and state sponsored (as in the national SOCIALIST Germany). La Raza, the Black Panthers, Nation of Islam among others are accepted but if there was a group called The Race, the White Panthers, or Nation of Christians, there would be howls of racism all over the place.

More revisionist history, even thought it is only months or years ago.

Thanks to the propagandist teachers created by the liberal progressive indoctrination by the universities, they are beginning to see the light.

Here is the thing, think about it, why did the liberal progressive socialistic movement begin back in the 70's and 80's? Because of the rigid social controls placed on everyone. So what happens, the hippies and the the communist sympathizers begin to expand.

Now the youth of today, do not only get their information from the teachers and the MSM. They can see the truth coming their way. The socialists are giving them a debt that they will have to live their entire lives under.

Yes, the youth always rebel, from any control parameters. It is the way of the world, always has been always will be.

With the advent of the internet, things can no longer be hidden.

As I have said many times before, I hoped Obama would get in the Whitehouse. If McCain would have gotten elected, the path would have been the same, it just would have been slower.

But with the pure stupidity of the liberal progressives, they thought there would be no backlash to their failed policies. The same policies of the liberal progressives in the Repub party.

They made an error in judgement. They thought their propaganda in the schools actually works.

Do you think that those in Korea believe all the propaganda put out by the propaganda ministry? Do you think that they think it is normal to get placed on a 1200 calorie daily diet? Do you actually think that lowly of people?

Do you think the people under Mao, Stalin, Hitler etc etc etc did not know what was going on? Fear, power and the machinations of these folk are obvious, as it is with the totalitarians now in the government here in the US.

The internet was their mistake in judgement. They thought they would be able to use it, but they did not realize the power of the information out there.

The truth will burn back the darkness, for the darkness has NO chance against the light.

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Sorry but I can either agree with your MSM and government education sourced information or I can go directly to historical quotes.

I got a great idea, maybe you can research Fascism and figure out how Neo Nazis are actually FASCISTS and not SOCIALISTS.

And maybe after you figure out that Nazis are Fascists and not Socialists then you can figure out that the Anti Immigrant movement is a Fascist movement that is one funded by groups like FAIR, and getting funding from groups like The Pioneer Fund. Lobby groups instrumental in brainwashing not only the American people, but government officials like the state legislature in Arizona.

Nazis aren't Socialists, they are Fascists, just because they have the word socialist in their name is liken to Federal Express having nothing to do with the Federal Government.

Unless the tea party rallies, Glenn Beck rallies, or Sarah Palin's armband have swastikas or KKK logos, it can't really be labeled as having anything in common with such organizations that blatantly proclaim their beliefs. Unless you believe that the darker skinned people that attend such rallies (which the MSM tries so very hard to ignore or cover up) are neo-nazis, then your entire argument is false and you are using a very small number of psychotic reactionaries to make your point.

Propagandists aren't going to be open about their beliefs till they get a large segment of the population under their belts and gain a majority of political influence. The Nazis would have never gotten to power if they came out and said they were going start a genocide campaign. It would have never worked. But they did start out by blaming the Jews and gypsies for Germany's economic problems. (sounds pretty familiar.)

Maybe these young people aren't dumb at all. Maybe they know what is coming and don't want to become a statistic in the Right's inevitable genocide machine. The parallels between Nazi Germany and today in America is frightening. The political spectrum especially those in the TEA party is disturbingly like the Nazi's in many many ways.

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I'll not bother going tit for tat, since as I predicted you will pick and choose what stories you want to believe. So, I'll be brief and avoid wasting any more time on this.

Your examples are noted, which only proves there are complete idiots on both sides. So, why should one side be any more afraid than the other? Which disproves your assumption for the reasoning behind the OP topic.

Also, your example of threats of revolution being equated to actual assaults, are completely dismissible.

The Black Panther nimrods standing outside the polling place with clubs were there for one purpose. Intimidation. I really can't believe you don't see it that way. I'm quite certain you would, if two Tea Party members did the same thing.

By the way, I didn't even bother watching the video which is captioned "Southern Poverty Law Center", which I'm sure you are already aware.

Anyway. Some of your examples are valid and, as I said, only prove the existence of extremist on both sides. It is, however, not evidence that behavior is indicative of the whole and neither were mine.

My first response to you was just to show you are being way over the top, lately.