Dick Cheney Caught Lying

Bob Somerby and Eric Alterman have the scoop.

At issue is the alleged meeting between Mohammed Atta and an Iraqi intelligence official in Prague in April, 2001. In a June 17, 2004 interview with Gloria Borger on "Capital Report" on CNBC, Cheney vehemently denied that he ever said that the meeting was "pretty well confirmed."

Yet in a December 9, 2001 interview with Tim Russert on "Meet the Press" on NBC, Cheney unequivocally stated that the meeting was "pretty well confirmed."

Read Somerby and Alterman for details. If you think Somerby and Alterman are misquoting or quoting out of context, you can find the transcripts of the interviews at

www.drudgereportarchives.com...

www.whitehouse.gov...

om namah shiva

i don't think this is the first incident of Cheney lying but it may be the first for being caught on record, either way, Bush, Cheney and Powell have all out right lied when it comes to this war on terrorism and Iraq. The need to connect Iraq and Al-Qaeda and justify this war will continue to show our politicians lying thru their teeth.

And....
Show me ONE politician that doesn't lie on a regular basis!!!!
I think they go to school for it. It surely says something about the personality of those who run for office. (I exclude Jimmy Carter, because he may be the only honest politician to gain the national spotlight!)
This goes for dems and repubs...no bias here

I'd love to say something nasty about Cheney (as is the custom among my people) but the unsolicited acknowledgement of Jimmy Carter's honesty from DTOM has left me speechless.

DTOM

RANT, I call 'em as I see 'em. Remind me to mark my calendar for the day you were temporarily rendered speechless.

This are links about the president and cheyne been call liers, I though is funny.

"You're a liar, George Bush. You're a liar, Dick Cheney." Scott Ritter hammers at the lies that the Bush administration used to swindle the nation into committing war of aggression. (54 min.)


idaho.indymedia.org...

Two earlier Russert-Cheney chats were downright spooky in the way that Russert accepted Cheney's smarmy lie after lie after lie. With Powell (sadly, the biggest and baddest lier of them all, and to the UN no less) and Rice (who can't seem to kill enough of our soldiers fast enough), Russert's acceptance of their BS must suggest that race is no barrier to the pass he gives to Washington insiders. Or, worse, is he being PC with the house blacks? Probably the former.

www.massinsider.com...


www.f5wichita.com...

Is funny I made a search on cheyne as a lier and found, not only tons of info but in different languages as well

I do admired Carter.

[edit on 21-6-2004 by marg6043]

They all lie. I'm tired of this government. I hope they all die and I become the ruler so I can lie!!


George W. Bush quotes to get you through the weekend:

"It's not a dictatorship in Washington, but I tried to make it one in that instance. We are beginning to see some success in opening up federal coffers for faith-based programs."

"Justice was being delivered to a man who defied that gift from the Almighty to the people of Iraq."

�If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator.�

"A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question about it,"

"There is no such thing necessarily in a dictatorial regime of iron-clad absolutely solid evidence. The evidence I had was the best possible evidence that he had a weapon."

�I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here.�

�For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It's just unacceptable. And we're going to do something about it.�

�Redefining the role of the United States from enablers to keep the peace to enablers to keep the peace from peacekeepers is going to be an assignment.�

�People say, how can I help on this war against terror? How can I fight evil? You can do so by mentoring a child; by going into a shut-in's house and say I love you.�

"First, let me make it very clear, poor people aren't necessarily killers. Just because you happen to be not rich doesn't mean you're willing to kill."

Cy4111,

I love those quotes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got to tell you this government is one of the must stupidest governments I have ever seen. This president is so out of his mind that it borders insanity, and I will not be surprise if after he leaves the white house he is declared insane.

I would like to add these links to this so far one sided post,

Mohammad Atta's Decisive Meeting

What is interesting is the fact, unpublicized until now, that three days after this Prague visit, tens of thousands of dollars were transferred from several accounts to Atta�s own American and German bank accounts (officials have not made public the precise amount, and it is not available from unofficial sources).

Atta was to visit Prague a third time in April 2001. The Czech secret service received from one of its informers a warning that Al-Ani, the Iraqi consul, was to meet with a �distinguished Arab student� from Hamburg�this is information that up until now was top secret. BIS monitored the meeting: The men met in a Prague restaurant on the evening of April 8. To this day, it remains unclear whether this �Hamburg student� was Atta. Yet again, three days after that meeting, $100,000 arrived in Atta�s Florida account.

Like most will claim on ATS "follow the money"


Terrorist Behind 9/11 Was Trained By Saddam

Iraq's coalition government claims that it has uncovered documentary proof that Mohammed Atta, the al-Qaeda mastermind of the September 11 attacks against the US, was trained in Baghdad by Abu Nidal, the notorious Palestinian terrorist.

Details of Atta's visit to the Iraqi capital in the summer of 2001, just weeks before he launched the most devastating terrorist attack in US history, are contained in a top secret memo written to Saddam Hussein, the then Iraqi president, by Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti, the former head of the Iraqi Intelligence Service.

The handwritten memo, a copy of which has been obtained exclusively by the Telegraph, is dated July 1, 2001 and provides a short resume of a three-day "work programme" Atta had undertaken at Abu Nidal's base in Baghdad.

Mohammad Atta Was Here

The story of Atta's contact with an Iraqi agent has been disputed by some American and European officials. Time, the Washington Post, and Newsweek, plus other publications, have raised doubts about it. But last week Martin Palous, the Czech ambassador to the United States, gave me the same account of Atta's time in Prague as other Czech officials had given to New York Times columnist William Safire, who first wrote about the Atta visit last November. Palous was home in Prague for consultations and a vacation. Both Czech prime minister Milos Zeman and interior minister Stanislav Gross have also publicly confirmed the meeting between Atta and al-Ani.

More Connections

But Allawi isn't the only prominent member of the new Iraqi government to have suggested Iraq-al Qaeda connections. His deputy, Barham Salih, has also repeatedly alleged that Saddam's regime supported Ansar al Islam, al Qaeda-linked Islamists in Kurdistan. "Yes, they hate each other, but they're very utilitarian," said Salih. "Saddam Hussein, a secular infidel to many jihadists, had no problem giving money to Hamas. This debate [about whether Saddam worked with al Qaeda] is stupid. The proof is there."

ABC News' outstanding Pentagon reporter, Martha Raddatz, also reported on the Iraq-al Qaeda connection last week. But her May 25, 2004, report on Abu Musab al Zarqawi, an al Qaeda associate who joined forces with Ansar al Islam terrorists, buried an important detail. "In late 2002, officials say, Zarqawi began establishing sleeper cells in Baghdad and acquiring weapons from Iraqi Intelligence officials." (emphasis added).

Case Closed

The relationship began shortly before the first Gulf War. According to reporting in the memo, bin Laden sent "emissaries to Jordan in 1990 to meet with Iraqi government officials." At some unspecified point in 1991, according to a CIA analysis, "Iraq sought Sudan's assistance to establish links to al Qaeda." The outreach went in both directions. According to 1993 CIA reporting cited in the memo, "bin Laden wanted to expand his organization's capabilities through ties with Iraq."

The primary go-between throughout these early stages was Sudanese strongman Hassan al-Turabi, a leader of the al Qaeda-affiliated National Islamic Front. Numerous sources have confirmed this. One defector reported that "al-Turabi was instrumental in arranging the Iraqi-al Qaeda relationship. The defector said Iraq sought al Qaeda influence through its connections with Afghanistan, to facilitate the transshipment of proscribed weapons and equipment to Iraq. In return, Iraq provided al Qaeda with training and instructors."

One such confirmation came in a postwar interview with one of Saddam Hussein's henchmen. As the memo details:

4. According to a May 2003 debriefing of a senior Iraqi intelligence officer, Iraqi intelligence established a highly secretive relationship with Egyptian Islamic Jihad, and later with al Qaeda. The first meeting in 1992 between the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) and al Qaeda was brokered by al-Turabi. Former IIS deputy director Faruq Hijazi and senior al Qaeda leader [Ayman al] Zawahiri were at the meeting--the first of several between 1992 and 1995 in Sudan. Additional meetings between Iraqi intelligence and al Qaeda were held in Pakistan. Members of al Qaeda would sometimes visit Baghdad where they would meet the Iraqi intelligence chief in a safe house. The report claimed that Saddam insisted the relationship with al Qaeda be kept secret. After 9-11, the source said Saddam made a personnel change in the IIS for fear the relationship would come under scrutiny from foreign probes.

There is to much "smoking gun" information out and available to make the leap that Cheny is lying when he says there was a meeting between Atta and Iraqi intelligence in Prague.

The way I'm reading the evidence is that the jury is still out on 100% positive proof but the preponderence of the evidence supports the meeting as having happened more so than not.

Also I want to add these words by Senator Even Bahy (D) member of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

A LEADING DEMOCRAT on the Senate Intelligence Committee has reiterated his support for the war in Iraq and encouraged the Bush administration to be more aggressive in its preemptive measures to protect Americans. Evan Bayh, a Democrat from Indiana and a leader of moderates in the Senate, responded to questions last week on the war in Iraq and a memo detailing links between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden sent to the committee in late October by Undersecretary of Defense Douglas J. Feith and later excerpted in these pages.

"Even if there's only a 10 percent chance that Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden would cooperate, the question is whether that's an acceptable level of risk," Bayh told me. "My answer to that would be an unequivocal 'no.' We need to be much more pro-active on eliminating threats before they're imminent."

Asked about the growing evidence of a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda, Bayh said: "The relationship seemed to have its roots in mutual exploitation. Saddam Hussein used terrorism for his own ends, and Osama bin Laden used a nation-state for the things that only a nation-state can provide. Some of the intelligence is strong, and some of it is murky. But that's the nature of intelligence on a relationship like this--lots of it is going to be speculation and conjecture. Following 9/11, we await certainty at our peril."

An Intelligent Democrat

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bonesman bill clinton is doing a high-profile national tour to promote his book.....how convenient for bonesman george bush. could all this be designed as a distraction so right-wingers [who own talk radio] can distract the sheeple from cheney's B.S. and what it says about these self-righteous boobs???

Let's not suffer from political amnesia and forget that it was the US that started these problems in the first place. Namely, the Neo-cons...

Originally posted by Jamuhn
Let's not suffer from political amnesia and forget that it was the US that started these problems in the first place. Namely, the Neo-cons...

Jamuhn, thats awful convenient to make that claim, especially when it is 25 years out of context.

It was Jimmy Carters spineless leadership and disregard of bargaining from a position of strength that allowed the Soviets to overthrow the legitimate government of, and invade Afganistan in 1979.

What would you have done for Afganistan at that time (1979)

Blaming neocons for Al Qaeda makes as much sense as me blaming Roosevelts failure at Yalta for the subsequent invasion of Afganistan by the Soviets. Or better yet the Kaisers failure to win on the Russian front in WW-I for the rise of the Soviet union and the subsequent cold war later on.

I can keep right on going with cause and effect well past Roman times but if I choose events in any context that I want, then the result will always benefit and bolster my argument - but alas its not honest nor a fair debate tactic is it?

Actually I'm talking about the Bush family's involvement with financing al Qaeda. In addition all the help given to Sadaam throughout the '80s and 90s by Reagan, Bush, and Clinton who has ties to al Qaeda.

Look, I'm not a liberal nor a conservative. I don't care what President's say, I care about what they actually DO. If you're that one-sided that you wish to solely focus on the merits of neo-conservatives, thats your problem. But the fact is, most politicians, business moguls, etc. are corrupt. You can't pretend that your "home boy" Bush is our savior down from heaven come to protect us from the evil Muslims. He has his hand in the pot just as much as everyone else. I would bash Clinton, but he is not our current President. Neo-cons have good ideas, so do liberals, but the military is in Iraq killing thousands of civilians more recently and then claiming that Iraqis love begin liberated "i.e. killed", pure BS...

[edit on 21-6-2004 by Jamuhn]

Jamuhn, Bush is not my "boy" but I strongly feel that the alternative is much much worse, I understand you may not feel that way and thats cool.

I would have a much easier time with your "points" if they were backed up with links referencing major media sources that add substance to your opinion.

As it is what you have asserted is just, well............ "opinion"

[edit on 21-6-2004 by Phoenix]

Questionable Ties

Various Links to Other Related Articles

Octupus Link - Many different connections here

These are all from the first link:

After several incarnations, Arbusto emerged in 1986 as Harken Energy Corporation. When Harken ran into trouble a year later, Saudi Sheik Abdullah Taha Bakhsh purchased a 17.6 percent stake in the company. Bakhsh was a business partner with Pharaon in Saudi Arabia; his banker there just happened to be bin Mahfouz

Though Bush told the Wall Street Journal he had �no idea� BCCI was involved in Harken�s financial dealings, the network of connections between Bush and BCCI is so extensive that the Journal concluded their investigation of the matter in 1991 by stating: �The number of BCCI-connected people who had dealings with Harken�all since George W. Bush came on board�raises the question of whether they mask an effort to cozy up to a presidential son.�

Worst of all, bin Mahfouz allegedly has been financing the bin Laden terrorist network�making Bush a U.S. citizen who has done business with those who finance and support terrorists. According to USA Today, bin Mahfouz and other Saudis attempted to transfer $3 million to various bin Laden front operations in Saudi Arabia in 1999. ABC News reported the same year that Saudi officials stopped bin Mahfouz from contributing money directly to bin Laden. (Bin Mahfouz�s sister is also a wife of Osama bin Laden, a fact that former CIA Director James Woolsey revealed in 1998 Senate testimony

The second one contains other articles relating to the Bush family, al Qaeda, Reagan, Noreiga, and Hussein. Basically Bush's co. was involved with BCCI who was a top bank for terrorist funding, but Bush claimed he no knowledge of this. But, he still managed to make a but load of money without reporting it right before his company went down the drain. Its interesting because John Kerry was involved in the prosecution of BCCI.

[edit on 22-6-2004 by Jamuhn]

Clinton's not Skull and Bones - he did not go to Yale.

Jamuhn thanks for providing the links they were interesting. I have some information for you on the BCCI scandel that John Kerry's Sub Committee reported to the Committee on Foreign Relations in 1992. This senate investigation was quite lengthy and involved over two years of investigation. The only reference to the Bush family that could be found was the opening of a bank in Miami that Jeb Bush attended while he was Attorney General of Florida, not an unusual thing to do as a politician. No mention of the Bush's are made in any of the sections covering illegality, money laundering or influence peddling. I am really concerned that the validity of your links can be trusted in this matter.

At this point from what I've come up with I have to say that your tact of implying Bush is a liar and therefore one cannot believe it when he or someone in his administration says there was a connection between Al Qaeda and Iraq cannot be believed because of some concocted internet story saying Bush was tied up in the BCCI scandel has utterly failed because of credibility issues.

Jamuhm realize who it was that ran the Sub Committee and authored this very complete and definitive report on BCCI - JOHN KERRY, US Senator

Partisanship and site shopping cannot be claimed here this was fully investigated by a democratic senator.

The prominant names are telling. Jimmy Carter, Bert Lance, Clark Clifford, Stuart Symington, Andrew Young, Jesse Jackson. All of them democrats, Hmmmm Hmmmm Hmmmm.


3. BCCI DEVELOPED A STRATEGY TO INFILTRATE THE U.S. BANKING SYSTEM, WHICH IT SUCCESSFULLY IMPLEMENTED, DESPITE REGULATORY BARRIERS THAT WERE DESIGNED TO KEEP IT OUT.

Equally important to BCCI's successful secret acquisitions of U.S. banks in the face of regulatory suspicion was its aggressive use of a series of prominent Americans, beginning with Bert Lance, and continuing with former Defense Secretary Clark Clifford, former U.S. Senator Stuart Symington, well-connected former federal bank regulators, and former and current local, state and federal legislators. Wittingly or not, these individuals provided essential assistance to BCCI through lending their names and their reputations to BCCI at critical moments. Thus, it was not merely BCCI's deceptions that permitted it to infiltrate the United States and its banking system. Also essential were BCCI's use of political influence peddling and the revolving door in Washington.

14. BCCI ACTIVELY SOLICITED THE FRIENDSHIPS OF MAJOR U.S. POLITICAL FIGURES, AND MADE PAYMENTS TO THESE POLITICAL FIGURES, WHICH IN SOME CASES MAY HAVE BEEN IMPROPER.

Beginning with Bert Lance in 1977, whose debts BCCI paid off with a $3.5 million loan, BCCI, BCCI nominees, and top officials of BCCI systematically developed friendships and relationships with important U.S political figures. While those which are publicly known include former presidentJimmy Carter, Jesse Jackson, and Andrew Young, the Subcommittee has received information suggesting that BCCI's network extended to other U.S. political figures. The payments made by BCCI to Andrew Young while he was a public official were at best unusual, and by all appearances, improper.

Executive Summary, BCCI Affair, US Senate Report

In my earlier post I feel enough information was given to debunk the current fashion of automatically refusing to believe any positive information developing that may show we had good reason to overthrow Saddam.

Trying to say there was no connection between Al Qaeda and Iraq by bringing up BCCI, a now 27 year old scandel that had its genisis in the Carter years is no way to convince anyone of the truth of your claims.

Phoenix

Originally posted by victor was right
bonesman bill clinton is doing a high-profile national tour to promote his book.....how convenient for bonesman george bush. could all this be designed as a distraction so right-wingers [who own talk radio] can distract the sheeple from cheney's B.S. and what it says about these self-righteous boobs???

Bill Clinton isn't a Bonesman. John Carey and Bush are yes, but not Clinton. Clinton didn't even go to Yale during his undergraduate years.

From his biography on the whitehouse.gov website(and not my bad grammer but theirs ) "Clinton was graduated from Georgetown University and in 1968 won a Rhodes Scholarship to Oxford University. He received a law degree from Yale University in 1973, and entered politics in Arkansas. "

Scull and Bones is an underclassman Senior Society, only 15 Seniors are "tapped" for membership a year, which starts the last few weeks of their junior year at Yale. Might want to spend sometime with us over in the secret society forum a bit more before you make claims like that.



What some people seem to forget, and I don't cause I was there 3 times. The last administration(Clinton) said the same exact things about Irag, and almost sent us to war 3 times, between 1996-2000. I was apart of it, I know they had the weapons, they didn't prove where they were, or that they destroyed them, and that my friends in a matter of national security. And also was a breaking of the treaty and sactions signed by Iraq. Our country had no legal obligation to bring this before NATO, but they did.

BTW its not just our government saying Al Qaida and Irag were linked. Russian President Putin stated last week that they turned Russian intellegance reports over to the US reguarding Irag and Al Qaida plans to attack the US before the war. HERE Funny how these things seem to fall by the way side.

So exactly how long should of Bush waited? Knowing that Iraq and Al-Qaida were planning attacks together. Knowing that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction at one point, and had yet to prove they no longer had them. Knowing Al-Qaida was respondsable for 9-11, and that they said they would be attacking us again.

We blame this administration for allowing the attacks on 9-11, and we blame them for taking the fight to the terrorists and countries the support the terrorists. Its not so far fetched to say and speculate that attacking Iraq stopped an Iraq/Al-qaida joint attack on the US. Sorry but I'm glad my kids are safe.

[edit on 22-6-2004 by Darktalon]

At this point from what I've come up with I have to say that your tact of implying Bush is a liar and therefore one cannot believe it

You got me all wrong, my stance is there are links everywhere man. They're all crooked in my book. And yes, the reason I am on this site is too expose conspiracies. THe fact remains that there were anomalies in the Bush-Harken-BCCI-Qaeda account, which cannot be established, but still remain as such anomalies. SO its either coincedence or something deeper.

McCain is THE MAN:
www.fas.org...

The fact is that the United States sought to moderate Iraqi activity over time by using a mix of limited incentives and strong disincentives. The fact is that we were correct to try, and the fact that we did try was a major factor that later made it possible to assemble a victorious U.N. coalition.

You could learn something hear about trying to polarize yourself...

Trying to say there was no connection between Al Qaeda and Iraq by bringing up BCCI, a now 27 year old scandel that had its genisis in the Carter years is no way to convince anyone of the truth of your claims

You obviously didn't even read the report or anything else except for your executive summary page because this thing was a lot more recent than you thought. Just more propaganda from a Neo-Con, no surprise there, all you poles like spewing that crap.

Pheonix, I couldn't care less about Dems and Repubs. What is your fixation of polarizing yourself from other political beliefs? Do your views only progress when your government says its OK. And anyway you left out a lot of information. That is just the summary, there are many other documents pertaining to this. But here is one document from the same organization you used, since you seem to think mine are biased

www.fas.org...

Iraq-Bush financing for WMDS etc.

Over the years, top levels of the administration, including President Bush, repeatedly intervened with the Eximbank in order to assist Iraq. During the entire United States-Iraq relationship, the State Department and other agencies pressured the Eximbank to disregard its charter in order to provide credit assistance to Iraq

Check out this report:
www.fas.org...

This probe will also expose the Bush administration's policy of arming Iraq, despite the President's blatant declaration that the United States did not enhance Iraq's military capability.

The Wall Street Journal - Page A1 Thomas Petzinger Jr., Peter Truell and Jill Abramson December 6, 1991

Indeed, an investigation by this paper has not revealed evidence of wrongdoing or influence-peddling by George W. Bush or anyone else connected to Harken. Yet what does emerge is a complex pattern of personal and financial relationships behind Harken's sudden good fortune in the Middle East, raising the question of whether Bahrainis or others in the Middle East may have hoped to ingratiate themselves with the White House. Even more intriguing, there are numerous links among Harken, Bahrain and individuals close to the discredited Bank of Credit & Commerce International, a banking empire that used Mideast oil money to seek ties to political leaders in several countries.

Here's something else from the documents you found:
www.fas.org...

On February 19, 1992, Douglas P. Mulholland, currently the Assistant Secretary of State for Intelligence and Research, testified about his contacts with the CIA concerning BCCI as the special assistant for national security to the Secretary of the Treasury from 1982 through 1987, when he was the CIA's chief liaison in the Treasury

Mulholland, a career officer of the CIA, had been placed in Treasury by CIA chief William Casey, and left his job at Treasury on retirement from the CIA in 1987 to become a researcher for the Bush election campaign, before being appointed to his current position as head of intelligence at the State Department

Here:
www.fas.org...

During the time Irvani acted as BCCI's lead front-man in the original takeover, he received advice on how to be protected from any liability in that role by Helms

During the 1980's, Helms continued to introduce Irvani to prominent Americans, writing Vice President Bush on Irvani's behalf in October 29, 1987, forwarding an October 16, 1991 letter from Irvani to Bush, and forwarding letters of congratulations from Irvani to President-elect Bush and Secretary of State James Baker on November 28, 1988. None of the actual letters from Irvani to George Bush discussed in the Helms-Irvani correspondence have been located. But the cover letter from Irvani to Helms on the October 16, 1987 letter, refers to Irvani's desire to provide Vice President Bush with advice on his presidential campaign

Here's some more from your documents:
www.fas.org...

Lake, who received $200,000 in payments from Abu Dhabi last fall in connection with this work, has simultaneously been performing -- as a volunteer, in an unpaid position -- the job of deputy manager to President Bush's re-election campaign, causing the chairman of the Subcommittee to state on March 18, 1992 that:

I do not believe that Mr. Lake should be sitting in on White House campaign strategy meetings while he is also providing strategy to Sheikh Zayed on how to deal with problems arising out of his ownership of BCCI

Here:
www.fas.org...

In the view of the Subcommittee, the real story of Ed Rogers' involvement in the BCCI scandal has yet to be fully revealed. Rogers, a former White House Political Director, left his position at the White House in early August 1991 to start the political consulting firm of Rogers and Barbour in Washington D.C. By the end of August Rogers, who had only briefly practiced law, was offered a $600,000 contract with Kamal Adham.

On October 23, the story of Rogers's representation of Adham was reported in the press. Two days later, President Bush, in a press conference, said that he didn't know what Ed Rogers "is selling," and that "he didn't know anything about the man."(28) From the President's comments it was unclear whether or not he was referring to Rogers or Adham, but, in fact, he appears to know both men reasonably well. In his deposition, Rogers testified that he sat in on meetings with the President "on numerous occasions."(29) In an interview with the Middle East News Network, Kamal Adham, who was head of Saudi intelligence during the same years that President Bush headed the CIA, stated:

BTW, Darkatalon, I introduced evidence for a conspiracy on the Russian thing.

I saw this thread and started to laugh, because the real news would be if someone posted "Dick Cheney Caught Telling the Truth." Who do you think gives GWB all of those nice bruises? Why is Dick always in hiding? Who is really running the government?