The Two-Party System: Two sides of the same coin

As far as elections go, I'm really concerned about the way people do not see behind the charades; they buy into them completely. It's a choice between two contrasting sides that leads people to think that they can choose one that is best by choose one or the other. They might not agree completely with either side, but they'll feel happy in getting to choose one.

Aside from the "I get to choose, therefore my vote has power to make a difference" aspect, remember how Arnold S. won for governor of California? He's in the entertainment industry! What does that say? To me, it says that the ability to publicly speak well and convince people you're on their side are two major ingredients in winning elections these days! Maybe he knows more then I imagine, but...

We definitely know Palin is a pretty little icon who has somehow still managed to keep herself in the game. Of all the idiotic displays she's put on for TV, she's apparently still not deemed too stupid to be of no use yet. That is scary. To me, that says that people really aren't listening to what she says -or- that they hate democrats enough not to hate her because she's representing the republicans! As crazy as this sounds, I think if Arnold can do get elected as governor, Palin has got to be of some use in the future. Maybe she'll just be used to support a newer, smarter candidate and people will say "Well this is way better than Palin!" ...just like what people felt when Obama came in ("Anyone is better than Bush!")

I think it boils down to people really not seeing through the lies, though. Even if they voted for someone who violates their trust in this election, when the "new guy" comes along, they'll be swayed by the same methods that worked last time.

Why would they photoshop obama and bush to look like the joker from dark knight? He was an anarchist - they're...........not? not even remotely.

Take a look at what is happening here in Australia , we have a unelected usurper priminister running the show . We had our election here just under two weeks ago and still don't have a elected goverment . The supposed votes showed close too a draw with neither getting the needed majority seats . We are now held to ransom by 5 third wheel independants ( independants , yeah right ) , waiting to see to which party they will swing their preferances too .This is what is called a hung parliment . In my opinon all in parliment need to be hung , let their swinging be from a rope .

As this drags out it effects our dollar , international trade , stocks and consumer spending . Dragging this out is crippling the country .Why are they dragging this out ? As the point of the OP , I know it doesn't matter which party takes goverment they will work for their own interests not ours . Both parties met with their handler in secret in Tasmania before the election and it's a done deal , so what are they waiting for ? Come on get it over with and get back to fleeceing us sheeple . We miss it , you know stockholm syndrome and all that ! Well done Grinspoon

[edit on 2-9-2010 by 13th Zodiac]

Well written thread. I couldnt agree more.

It is so blatantly obvious to me that i dont understand how people dont notice. I guess they watch too much mainstream news. It is the reason this country is going down. When i see people argue about the same old tired issues that really arent that important it makes me sick. There are many more serious issues in the world and they are not talked about on mainstream news.

Awesome, Awesome thread Airspoon. Way to look past all the BS that both sides of the charade spew forth. The sooner people realize that both sides are both part of the same coin the sooner we can begin to "correct" these issues.

Yes, two sides of the same coin, but two very distinct sides, two very different problems that require two very different approaches.

One side conditions people into being pathetic pansies, the other conditions them into being viscious bullies.The type of de-programming required is different for both sides and will take many Generations.

Check out Australian politics at the moment,two weeks after the elections and there is still no ruling govt.72 seats to the red team,72 seats to the blue team. working at the elections I found peoples comments,not all,but many, seemed to believe they were wasting time even being there.most were totally non plussed,(copulsory voting). A few weeks prior to this election our voted in PM was unceremoniously kicked out because he wanted a fairer share of the mining industries huge profits for the country.
This following article posted a few times previously, if true, says it all.

"Capital must protect itself in every possible manner by combination and legislation. Debts must be collected, bonds and mortgages must be foreclosed as rapidly as possible. When, through a process of law, the common people lose their homes they will become more docile and more easily governed through the influence of the strong arm of government, applied by a central power of wealth under control of leading financiers. This truth is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of Capital to govern the world. By dividing the voters through the political party system, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance. Thus by discreet action we can secure for ourselves what has been so well planned and so successfully accomplished."...

USA Banker's Magazine, August 25. 1924

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Absolutely OUTSTANDING post, airspoon!! Spot on. Worse, our political "process" is now hamstrung to the extent that it is virtually impossible for another "party" to even get on the ballot.
We need to get with our governors, insist on a constitutional convention (which scares the living you-know-what out of "both" parties) and gain some control over our government and our lives.

A good thread clearly laying out what many seem to think, some very perceptive replies, if Carlsberg made threads they'd be just like airspoon's.

As a poster said the US doesn't have a left right system it has a right righter system, possibly a cold war security issue or just really effective robber barron oligarchs crushing the early 20th century left wing movements and controlling the media.

The time is ripe for change both parties are out of favour but the left don't seem to have any organisation that could garner a broad base and there's the race issue to get over.

The union movement is seen as corrupt and self serving the liberal left are seen as anti the all important religion. There doesn't appear to be any great uproar about the huge amount of repossessions or high unemployment, it's like everybody regards those suffering as doing so from their own failures rather than the govt or system. Where's the outrage?

It's time the citizens woke up to the game and took back their government for themselves what ever wing they're meant to support.

For years many people (friends family etc) thought there was something wrong with me for saying both political sides will do the excat same thing, because they are on the same side.

Put a pretty face for public image make him cool and loved by many, say some nice things to get them on his side and bam you got an election

Weather McCain was elected or Obama, the same thing would have happened either way, why? because politics is a real big scam to gain control of millions of morons that cant tell when two differnt parties are talking about the same thing.

Simple minds are easy to manipulate give them a flag and somebody to worship and you have an obedient country, listening to everything you say and following it without question even if it contradicts everything you believe it.

But without it you have millions of people doing whatever they want, so your damned if you do and your damned if you dont

I must give credit where credit is due (its the terms and conditions ) You did a phenomenal job with this thread Airspoon. Two sides of the same coin indeed. If only Aaron Russo were still alive to see this thread

It leaves me awe-stricken at how many sheep there are out there who watch Fox News and take it at face value. This is not just a national crisis, this is a global catastrophe in the making.

We have so many ignorant people out there (namely the older generations, pre-internet types) who refuse to believe that there is anything other than what they see on the election ballots.

Perhaps as the newer generations (who seem more rebellious and smarter than there predecessors) grow older, we will begin to see a shift in power. One hopefully, for the better.


Note: I am not saying ALL older people are ignorant, if you are on this site, then already that's a good indication I wasn't referring to you

[edit on 2-9-2010 by NWO-Renegade]

Yes, it's quite simple really. The left-right spectrum is politics. It is not difficult to discern the modern mainstream Democrat and Republican parties are two sides of the same coin: both advocate big government.

The Democrats do it through social institutions i.e. welfare, and the Republicans do it through military institutions i.e. world-policing.

Originally posted by airspoon

There are fundamental flaws with our current system and these flaws are detrimental to not only our well being, but the well being of our country, our freedom and our way of life.

The problems are not with the system, but with the uninformed and poorly educated electorate. If the people wised up they would vote in better representatives that would in turn give us better government. The system doesn't need to be changed, the voters need to be better informed and posts like this will hopefully go a long way to doing that.

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If the system allowed us to fail, then I was just saying that the system may bear some of the responsibility as well.

The system is obviously not as infallible as you would believe, or we would not be talking about failure of the people.

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Better representatives are not allowed - they 1. don't have the resources and aren't backed by the ruling elite who do, and 2. Are not allowed access things such as debates due to point #1.

The system is indeed flawed.

we need to create a peoples lobby, fight them using the same tools.. the peoples lobby will be a non-profit organisation and all monies used will be towards supporting candidates that support causes for the people.. if everyone in the u.s were to donate 1.00 to the peoples lobby it would be a force to be reckonned with...

Very true, very true. The two-party system, while two sides to the same coins, keeps people complacent while they fail miserably to to any good.

You see people become polarized, the conditions are bad, they get worse, they blame whoever is in office, let's same democrats, so they kick them out and the republicans guarantee they will fix things, so they get into office, and things go from bad to worse, and then they get blamed and the democrats claim they will fix things, so the republicans get voted out of office and the democrats get voted in, and things go from worse to even worse, and then the democrats get blamed for everything so they get voted out of office and the republicans get voted in because they claim they will fix things, then things go from worser to worstest, and then the people blame the republicans for all the problems and the democrats claim they have the solutions to all the problems and they get voted into office and the republicans get voted out, and then the democrats don't fix anything and things go from worstest to worser still and then the democrats get blamed for all of the problems and the people look to the republicans as their hope for the future and they vote the republicans, who claim they will fix everything because it is all the democrats fault, into office, and things go from worser still to still even worse than the worstest worse, and then the republicans get blamed for everything and the people say it is all their fault, and the democrats say, we will fix things if you vote us into office, choose us, all the problems are created by the republicans, and the people vote the democrats into office because they believe the democrats, and then things go from the wortest of all badness to even badder than the worstest worse, and the republicans tell the people, cannot you see that you have been blinded by the democrats, it is all their fault, vote us into office and we will solve all your problems, and the people after decades of the charade still have blind faith in other humans that blatantly just lie to them without end, not having anything else to put their hope in, and then they vote the republicans back into office, because of their grandiose claims and promises, but things just keep getting worser still, so the democrats get back on the bandwagon and tell everyone that all the woes are because of the republicans and to vote them into office, and the people still are too stupid to see that no one is getting them anywhere, and they vote the democrats back into office and the story goes on and on. Sorry about the run on sentence.

Anyway I will cut to the chase. It is a system built to dupe people. No one is gong to fix anything, it is all lies and deception. But as long as you've got the people polarized and a scape-goat set up, you can continue to deteriorate society and just keep blaming the other party. And then no one will be none the wiser until it is too late.

Just as it was foretold many many many years ago:


(Psalm 146:3) . . .Do not put YOUR trust in nobles, Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs.

Many people do put their trust in lying cunning people who do not know the way out, they mislead and are being mislead. But they refuse to listen to the wise counsel above, because it is out of style to do so. If they did they wouldn't put their trust in other humans who are destined to failure. Just as it was written:


(Jeremiah 10:23) I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.

And the conclusion of all things is this. As long as you've duped the people, it doesn't matter how bad the conditions are they won't listen to the truth, and they will definitely not turn their hope to the real solution to all of mankind's (not just the U. S.'s) problems.

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While I like your idea, there are a few problems with it. The first and foremost problem would be marketing. Another large problem would be infiltration, sort of like what happened to the Tea Party movement. Another problem that would be related to the first two, is propaganda. Who will decide what is best for the people, especially when propaganda is spun. Believe it or not, many people believe that the Patriot Act is what's best for the people, just for one single instance. Sadly, whoever controls the media, controls the masses and this is why you see upstart English speaking media outlets, such as PressTV and RT.

Any attempt at starting a media outlet, would have problems with PR, as it would be quickly labled as having some type of partisan or other bias, again just as the Tea Parties are being labled as racist, redneck movements.

The way I see it, we are too far gone. The people have lost complete control over government and society and there is nothing we can do to regain control, short of some cataclismic event that knocks everyone back to level playing field.

--airspoon

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so you're going to follow a guidline, the constitution, that was prepared and debated and signed by freemasons. the very people who are in power now and control the government. it's seems to me that this guidline wasn't written for the people but for the illuminati and freemasons. this is a guideline on how to hold on to and share power. the supreme court that is supposed to interpet this guideline and punish it's violation are appointed by the very people that they are charged to protect us from. this is guaranteed by this guideline. this guideline is so devious that it insured that every citizen is guarateed the right to own arms to defend it. this guideline armed it's citizen to defend it's own survival. millions of people in america are armed and ready to defend the constitution. thus we are oppressing ourselves with our very own weapons. we are protecting with our weapons the very guidline that oppresses,tramples, indebts and inpoverates the common man and allow these elitists in power to maintain a grip on the masses. it is a guideline that has ensured that 1% of the people hoard and guard 99% of the nations wealth while creating an illusion that you can become one this 1%. they have no need for this amount of wealth. so the only logical conclusion that you can come to is that they are hoarding it to keep the masses poor and indebt, thus in their control. you are only free as long as you live your life in certain boundaries that don't conflict or affect the day to day operations of those in power. if a man in america is elected president, and this man thru his actions, not necessarily his words, betrays himself to be a tyrant, threatening this mans life is a crime, even though this guidline and various declarations have given the right for the people to overthrow this tyrant and his government. the people aren't the ones with the authority to declare who is a tyrant. that power lies with the tyrants themselves. this guideline is so ingenious it guarantess that thru its impeachment process. this guideline creates and functions on confrontation, anger and conflict. it is no wonder america is in the shape it is in. watch cnn on any given night for proof of this. if you truly want a better amercia, abolish political parties and let every man and every elected official run on his own merits. there should only be one party that every citizen belongs to: the nation and states of america. that will never happen, this guideline guarantees that. it is better to follow what Jesus said, and let God handle this. don't be of this world but His Kingdom. these people tremble with fear at the Feet of Jesus.



[edit on 3-9-2010 by randomname]

Thank you SO much! I've been trying to tell people this lately, you have to realize that governments are formed to fail, to take the hit, like a breaker, so that they can be interchanged, always there to take the blame before the supreme rulers. The only reason there are different parties is to form the illusion of choice and freedom.