There IS a God

Simple forum post just to get my opinion out, grill me if you wish.

Personally I find it laughable that someone denies the existence of a Higher Power in control of, at the minium, this universe. SOMETHIng had to have started all of this, whatever came before the Big Bang, whatever came before that. I am not talking about any religion here. Simply, a PRIME CREATOR that created all of the universes, (multiverse, which scientifcally exists) dimension, (there are lots of them)

What I find amazing is that there are infinite amounts of universes that are clones of ours. So theres infinite amoutns of me and you..

Things can be different in each one though, for instance, say you just sneezed, well maybe in another universe you didnt. Basically every possible thing that can happen has happened or is happenign to you.

This is so complex and maybe its cause im stupid, but it leads me to beleive there is a god(s) in control of all of this.

Originally posted by Mooradian
What I find amazing is that there are infinite amounts of universes that are clones of ours. So theres infinite amoutns of me and you.

It's an interesting theory, except for one problem. I'm only aware of one universe. Where are the other me's? I only see out one set of eyeballs, and I generally see what is pretty consistent. So where are all these other infinite universes, except in some equation somewhere?

I only perceive one universe, one me, one at a time. Tell me why that is.

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Ok then, I want to ask you this philosophically. Would God look like a man with a beard sitting in a chair in heaven or would God look like nothing we could comprehend or imagine?

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Good point, inteligent design of the universe, planets, creatures shows that it takes creativity to create something out of nothing. I too think there is a higher power but that it does not mingle all that much and that we are on our own. Too bad we needed it's help right about now.

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SOMETHIng had to have started all of this

You mean that someONE had to start it don't you? In that you think it was a deity of some sort, an intelligent supernatural entity?

What I find amazing is that there are infinite amounts of universes that are clones of ours. So theres infinite amoutns of me and you..

This is an interesting hypothesis and its a lot of fun to speculate about but really there's no solid evidence to back it up and we certainly shouldn't be asserting it as fact. Yes some people believe there are infinite Universes, it is possible, or that this Universe is infinitely recreating itself via Big Bang - Big Crunch repetitions, each time being different.

While its possible it does nothing to prove or disprove a deity being involved.

Basically every possible thing that can happen has happened or is happenign to you.

The way I used to put it is this way:

Everything that you can imagine is, was, did and will happen as well as an infinite numbers of things that you can't imagine. If its infinite time is meaningless which means that all of it is happening in one infinite instant

Again it's a fun sci-fi concept but it isn't evidence one way or another for a God.

The honest truth is we don't know whether there is a God, but my stance is to follow the evidence, right now the evidence does not point to a God so I remain in a position of default skepticism (atheism). I'm okay with not knowing what came before the big bang, the mysteries of this Universe make it a pretty awesome place to be, why cheapen in by making up an arbitrary supernatural explanation to fill the gaps in our knowledge?

Originally posted by Blue Shift

Originally posted by Mooradian
What I find amazing is that there are infinite amounts of universes that are clones of ours. So theres infinite amoutns of me and you.

It's an interesting theory, except for one problem. I'm only aware of one universe. Where are the other me's? I only see out one set of eyeballs, and I generally see what is pretty consistent. So where are all these other infinite universes, except in some equation somewhere?

I only perceive one universe, one me, one at a time. Tell me why that is.

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good question, obviously i am no expert, ut its supported by most astrophysicists and quantum physicists.

Ghosts/other paranormal crazy # might be little peeps into other universes.

These other universes might be:

ALL OF THE UNIVERSES are bubble form, slowly expanding, with infinite amoutns of these 'Bubbles'. Inside these bubbles there are more bubbles (these are class 2 multiverses) where within our universe there are other dimensional unvierses (ghosts, other stuff)

Type 2 and 3 universes are the other bubbles around us, each with their own type 1 multiverses.

(bubbles is a simple term used for a universeal spheroid)

please, if you want to learn more just do some research, basically i explained what i remember roughly. but i am NO expert, lol

Originally posted by sphinx551
reply to post by Mooradian

 

Ok then, I want to ask you this philosophically. Would God look like a man with a beard sitting in a chair in heaven or would God look like nothing we could comprehend or imagine?

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Honestly I would assume that IT would be soem form of energy.. no idea..

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ALL OF THE UNIVERSES are bubble form, slowly expanding, with infinite amoutns of these 'Bubbles'. Inside these bubbles there are more bubbles (these are class 2 multiverses) where within our universe there are other dimensional unvierses (ghosts, other stuff) Type 2 and 3 universes are the other bubbles around us, each with their own type 1 multiverses. (bubbles is a simple term used for a universeal spheroid)

Do you have any links for the bubbles around us?

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Originally posted by Mooradian

Things can be different in each one though, for instance, say you just sneezed, well maybe in another universe you didnt. Basically every possible thing that can happen has happened or is happenign to you.

This is so complex and maybe its cause im stupid, but it leads me to beleive there is a god(s) in control of all of this.

Those two paragraphs contradict each other.

If we have multiple universes with an almost infinite amount of things that can happen which were created by a god then that is nothing but chaos. A never ending spiral of inifinite possibilites that if it were ever to end would be for nothing because you would have infinite everything, including gods etc.

I believe that anything is possible and what you have touched on is an example of how much possiblities exist in every small choice we make even down to the smallest look. I do believe there is a God but I believe they are there to guide you to become the best that you can be through life lessons, should you choose to accept guidance and more it will only be better.

Let me put it another way, if I told you to put your hand over a lit gas hob and keep it there for 20 minutes, you would not because at some point in your life you learned that touching hot things causes pain. If you had never experienced the pain of burning your hand before, you would most likely put your hand over the hot flames until you felt the pain and learned the lesson.

This exactly what life is, a lesson and its a bloody good one at that and its for a reason too. Yet theres still millions of people who point the finger at God for offering the lessons to everyone.

Just my thoughts.



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An interestign hypothesis I came across was that all of this energy in our universe (unfathomable amounts) may have come from the big bang, yes, but it is a scientific law that energy cannot be created nor destroyed.. so it has always been here: Pointing to either an infinite expand crunch expand crunch universe OR some combination of all of this. Either way I am still on the side that ONE god is in charge of all of these universes, dimensions etc.

Originally posted by XXXN3O

Originally posted by Mooradian

Things can be different in each one though, for instance, say you just sneezed, well maybe in another universe you didnt. Basically every possible thing that can happen has happened or is happenign to you.

This is so complex and maybe its cause im stupid, but it leads me to beleive there is a god(s) in control of all of this.

Those two paragraphs contradict each other.

If we have multiple universes with an almost infinite amount of things that can happen which were created by a god then that is nothing but chaos. A never ending spiral of inifinite possibilites that if it were ever to end would be for nothing because you would have infinite everything, including gods etc.

I believe that anything is possible and what you have touched on is an example of how much possiblities exist in every small choice we make even down to the smallest look. I do believe there is a God but I believe they are there to guide you to become the best that you can be through life lessons, should you choose to accept guidance and more it will only be better.

Let me put it another way, if I told you to put your hand over a lit gas hob and keep it there for 20 minutes, you would not because at some point in your life you learned that touching hot things causes pain. If you had never experienced the pain of burning your hand before, you would most likely put your hand over the hot flames until you felt the pain and learned the lesson.

This exactly what life is, a lesson and its a bloody good one at that and its for a reason too. Yet theres still millions of people who point the finger at God for offering the lessons to everyone.

Just my thoughts.

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And that reason is?

Originally posted by Chamberf=6
reply to post by Mooradian

 

ALL OF THE UNIVERSES are bubble form, slowly expanding, with infinite amoutns of these 'Bubbles'. Inside these bubbles there are more bubbles (these are class 2 multiverses) where within our universe there are other dimensional unvierses (ghosts, other stuff) Type 2 and 3 universes are the other bubbles around us, each with their own type 1 multiverses. (bubbles is a simple term used for a universeal spheroid)

Do you have any links for the bubbles around us?

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i was afraid of the linkERS.

No, i watched a fascinating show on History Channel, with DeGrasse and Kaku, among many scientists, it was all about multiverses and multidimensions.

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I have read about Branes, or membranes, and parallel universes. I don't recall them being called "bubbles" nor that they were class1, class2, etc.

I watch a lot of the shows on the universe, cosmology, science...but can't seem to place the one you are referencing.

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Originally posted by Mooradian

And that reason is?

The reason is to become the best that you can be through choices in life.

Im not God so I cant give you every single explanation.

The best way I can put it is by giving an example. Ever tried something in life and found it extremely hard yet over time it becomes like second nature? By the time you reach the end of life if your lucky that is, everything is second nature because you get it all. If an old man could live his life from youth once more, it wouldnt be anywhere near as much of a challenge.

Knowledge, power, accountability, maturity, wisdom and then beyond.

ie, learn not to touch a burning gas hob (knowledge), you know the gas hob burns (power to burn others or teach), accountability (how you act with the knowledge), maturity (learning from how you have acted with the consequences), wisdom (understanding which works best from all the below) and beyond is taking all of it with you.

im just saying gas hob because of earlier of course but it should make sense.



[edit on 30-8-2010 by XXXN3O]

Originally posted by Chamberf=6
reply to post by Mooradian

 

I have read about Branes, or membranes, and parallel universes. I don't recall them being called "bubbles" nor that they were class1, class2, etc.

I watch a lot of the shows on the universe, cosmology, science...but can't seem to place the one you are referencing.

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Agin, all of this is stuff i 100% rememberd, it was a history channel show, maybe from the series The Universe, called Multiverses or somethign of the sort. try searching it on ther website.

Haha funy thing is, when it finished i flipped on comedy central and saw futurama and it was all abotu parallel universes =P

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I'm not going to look for sources to back something that you are putting forth. I just thought perhaps since you wrote it, you could point out a tangible source.

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Everything you are using as "Tangible" evidence is nothing more than mere speculation before the facts. Kaku was teh one to term the "Bubble Universe" on the show you are speaking of , the only thing you are only using "Part" of his statement, I believe it was to the order of "Imagine if the universe was a bubble, and beyond this universe there are thousands, if not million's more hypothetical 'bubble universes'? The implications of space time travel would be matrix-ed into actual 'Space-time' travel abilities."
Your theory is not buoyant, and therefore cannot hold water. But if the decision for you to make your plea of the existence of a higher power, then using such thing's as 'Science/Mathematics/astrophysics' or the like, it becomes muttled for creating a tangible and feasible argument.
During the time of the 'Big-Bang' theory, there may have been life existent to watch it from a far and were blown into another 'Bubble Universe' from the force of it? Could've have happened that way, just don't have anything to prove it, or support it other than my own 'Interpretation' of possibilities.

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Of course there is a God, it's US, it is our grandparents, the spirit inside the animals, The Earth, The Cosmos, anything that can give and receive energy is acting upon the 'wheel' of God. We are more than just the physical. Everything has a spirit that manifests itself into the material. Dreams turn into reality, dreams come from the Spirit World. The Spirit World is like our internet, this is where soul family meets and creates.

I believe we have guides, whether that be another soul, or our higher self. Any and all who have awareness come from the prime creator that can be in Spirit Universe or Material Universe. The Spiral, The Wormhole, Blackhole.

You have to realize that this universe is a different frequency from The Spirit Universe, our bodies operate to see with the material surroundings before us, but one thing scientists can never explain is Pure Love. Pure Love is something we carried with us when we crossed over from the Astral Plane. We enter the Astral Plane when we dream, this is how our soul 'breathes'.

You will never have anything 'scientific' that can explain The Spiritual Phenomena that is LOVE. Light is all around, and on the otherside, it completely surrounds. How do I know, because I been there before.

Again, no "proof" just a testimony. Believe what you wish, so that it may set you FREE.

To believe that either there is a "God" or that there isn't are both very foolish conclusions, as we don't know much about anything when we realize how vast our reality is within our perceptions alone.

Originally posted by SinkingSun
To believe that either there is a "God" or that there isn't are both very foolish conclusions, as we don't know much about anything when we realize how vast our reality is within our perceptions alone.

Precisely the reason I am agnostic.