Unemployed Irish will soon be REQUIRED to work for the gov... COMMUNISM ANYONE?

The Irish scheme doesn't sound too bad, but I have reservations about the Tories plans for making people work for their benefits. The way things are going nearly everyone will end up on these low paid schemes.

[edit on 31-8-2010 by kindred]

reply to post by ararisq


Well said. I totally agree and what you said is exactly what will probably happen if people don't wise up.

Originally posted by Dermo

Originally posted by JohnySeagull
sure bud.

sure go have another drink. everything looks better through glassy eyes.

Slainte!

Hahaha.. Please don't tell me you're trying to insult me for having a drink of Alcohol.. You're never done it I'd imagine. What are you anyway? Stoner? Bum? Dropout?

Funny that you're saying that.. Seeing as I still pay some tax in Ireland, I'm supporting you. But yet, you can try insult me?

You're complaining about having to work for the Dole that the Government gives you but can try insult someone who is working? For working over their weekend and taking a Monday off?

Get a life and a job man.. Then you can attempt to be smug hahahahaha

Some people are hilarious

Originally posted by alienesque
whats the tax called in this case?

unemployment tax?..

I answered that already. PRSI - Pay related Social Insurance.

For Benefits, Pensions, Healthcare and other Social Amenities.

[edit on 31/8/10 by Dermo]

You refuse to acknowledge that there is any problem. Your solution is the same as most Irish. You drink. You admitted yourself you were not working on a Tuesday because you were hungover. Infact you are so hungover you think its Monday.

You are not supporting me.

reply to post by JohnySeagull


Sorry my friend.. When I care what you think, I'll ask.

You've been proved so wrong here that you are attempting this nonsense to regain your own self gratification..

I imagine that you now think I should work a seven day week then? For what? To pay for your welfare?

And if not, I have a problem? When you have no current prospects, you refer to your imagination in regards someone half a continent away in order to give yourself a boost of confidence in your opinions..? And yet, I am the one who creates employment for others directly, while still paying tax into your system.

My sincerest apologies for making you stoop to that level but please do not bother interacting with me on this site again as I have absolutely no interest in your opinion and/or perspective... Especially in relation to your psychological and/or other issues and my socializing ones.

The next time someone tells a 26 year old Irish man that they cannot take a Monday and half day Tuesday off to socialize while they work throughout the weekend, I am going to personally slap them.

As previously stated.. Cop onto yourself and grow up. Also learning how to spell properly would give you some credibility.

reply to post by Dermo



26.


sorry.


I'll give you another star too.

[edit on 31-8-2010 by JohnySeagull]

reply to post by JohnySeagull


I pay probably 3 times that here in the states to pay for hundreds of thousands of illegals,bums,druggies,drunks and layabouts not to mention millions of the same types around the world. Ive been unemployed before but never took money out feeling I didnt desevre it and to leave it to the sick,crippled, the single moms and familys who need it more then me I'd rather make my own way, If it means hunting and fishing for food I do it. I shoveled snow, cleaned up trash, fixed cars, painted. You get the idea I dont want anything for free I call it being a man.

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First the mandatory job, next the micro chip to keep it. Maybe that is why TPTB have created this mess for us. To put the public to work for them, before they brand them like chattle?

edit:
For the record, I don't think welfare is a solution either. You don't work, you don't eat. Our work was sent to everyone else. I say bring back our industry......but of course a little too late for that now.

[edit on 1-9-2010 by nlouise]

Originally posted by DogsDogsDogs
reply to post by babybunnies

 

"You said it. WHEN NWO becomes reaility, it will be run more like politburo style, not senate style. All officals will be chosen for their connections, not elected. Regional managers will be chosen for their family and economic connections, not for their experience, or elected by the public."

Then the NWO is already in the US. You just described the US political system. Our "choices" are chosen *for* us & then we are "allowed" to "choose" one of them. The procedure of how are laws are made/ country is governed is mere kabuki.

Right on! (your comment, not the NWO) Our politicians are decided on by Council on Foriegn Relations (specifically). NWO is here, just that many are still snoozing and don't recognize it yet.

reply to post by Dermo


'Pay related Social Insurance'

so...its a tax and not an insurance?..it just happens to be called an insurance?

how silly of me for thinking its an insurance and how obviously intelligent of you for thinking its a tax...

its called an insurance because the government knows they couldnt take this money of people by calling it a tax...an insurance however works in a different way..

this is a scam....its twisting words and meaning to suit ones needs...one minute its an insurance the next its a tax..when they are taking it off you its insurance..when they are giving it back its a tax..

its a scam..

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So let me get this straight.. Social Insurance which is Related to how much you are Paid.. Which is used for your Pension, Free Healthcare, Benefits, Allowances etc is a scam..

Even though they give it back to you in full when you need it (As mentioned: Unemployment benefit, Jobseekers allowance, Pensions, free Healthcare etc etc) and then add a lower class amount when you have run out of what you paid.. Still giving it to you for an unlimited time should you need it..

And thats a scam?

Ok.



And BTW, PRSI has very little to do with anything here.. So why are you so adamant about it..





Also, I'd like to Point Out.. You pay Mandatory health insurance in Germany.. So thats also a scam yea? You paid something similar in the UK when you lived there.. So thats also a scam yea? If it is, then Ill agree that Irish PRSI is a scam..

Other than that, is there really really any need to continue this ridiculous conversation?

This is clearly a plot to disrupt the society. If you cannot see how much this will lift the criminal rates, you must be blind.

When someone is starwing, he WILL find the food, one way or other. Unemployment benefits have not sprung up just because we think it is good to help others. No, humans are greedy by nature, and the reason is we have noticed we can cut down on crime drastically by providing bare minimum for the poorest.

Now the "elite" is upping the ante in their hunt for greed and control. Believe me, there will always be people who will not go to work, and still are going to find their upkeep somehow. You ain't seeing hustlin' in Europe the same way you see it in USA. This decision will change that fact, especially if other countries follow the lead of Ireland.

Originally posted by Dermo
reply to post by alienesque

 

So let me get this straight.. Social Insurance which is Related to how much you are Paid.. Which is used for your Pension, Free Healthcare, Benefits, Allowances etc is a scam..

Even though they give it back to you in full when you need it (As mentioned: Unemployment benefit, Jobseekers allowance, Pensions, free Healthcare etc etc) and then add a lower class amount when you have run out of what you paid.. Still giving it to you for an unlimited time should you need it..

And thats a scam?

Ok.



And BTW, PRSI has very little to do with anything here.. So why are you so adamant about it..





Also, I'd like to Point Out.. You pay Mandatory health insurance in Germany.. So thats also a scam yea? You paid something similar in the UK when you lived there.. So thats also a scam yea? If it is, then Ill agree that Irish PRSI is a scam..

Other than that, is there really really any need to continue this ridiculous conversation?

IF you need it...what happens to the money if you dont?

Originally posted by alienesque
IF you need it...what happens to the money if you dont?

You could say that about a myriad of things in the taxation system.. Or in life in general.

I insured cars for nearly 10 years.. Spend well over €10,000 on insurance over that period.. Never once crashed it, never once claimed, noone ever claimed against me. I basically handed that money over to a private insurer for absolutely no reason.

Should I get that money back? Was that fair? Was there any need to pay it?

PRSI is the law in Ireland. Every country with a benefit system has a similar policy/system/tax. Not every person uses it.. It is there as a social insurance to help those who need it.. But most people will end up using this money in the end anyway as it is paid off against your government pension you receive when you retire.

I don't understand why you are arguing with me over it lol. The UK does it, Germany does it, almost every EU state does it, Canada does it, the US does it to an extent etc etc etc

If you have a problem with this type of low level Socialism, move to Hong Kong where it is pretty much non existent.

Originally posted by Dermo

Originally posted by alienesque
IF you need it...what happens to the money if you dont?

I don't understand why you are arguing with me over it lol.

ok...

bye

I'm from Dublin and there's some things I'd like to point out here:

€210 unemployment pay is only paid to those over the age of 24, before that age you get €100 per week, this was only implemented recently and for good reason, there is an element of society here who are "gimmes", they have no intention of ever working and are happy to let everyone else work, pay their taxes and support these naer do wells (I only apply this term to people who just don't want to work, NOT to genuine people who have worked hard for years and fallen on tough times and have no luck in finding new work).

The company I work for has me based in a Civil Service office, from speaking to people there who previously worked for the Office of Social Welfare they told me straight that they had witnessed mothers bringing their 18 year old kids down to the unemployment office only a couple of weeks after finishing secondary school to sign up for the dole / unemployment benefit, that's just wrong in my opinion, many of those kids then become the ones who are life long unemployed, and I think that's who this new measure is aimed at.

Also, not sure if anyone has actually mentioned this yet but if this scheme is implemented, it's only for 19 hours a week, it's not like you have to work a 90 hour week for €210. I do, however, take issue with the fact that if you are assigned to position under this scheme where you need to pay bus fare or fuel costs each day, then you may actually be losing money, essentially it will be costing you money to work, which is a bit daft. If the government could bring in a system whereby people under the scheme could work in their local community then I think that would be better as it would cut down on travel costs and hopefully help the person feel that they are contributing to their locale.

As an earlier poster pointed out, he / she had paid their tax and PRSI all their working life and then became unemployed, then their credits ran out so they no longer get unemployment pay, can someone please explain to me how currently, someone who's never worked a day in their life can get unemployment benefit until they're 65, then start getting the state pension??? In my opinion that's just not a fair system, how is it fair that the previous poster worked for so long and shafted essentially, and some naer do well who's never worked a day in their life can get a free ride at our expense?

So I do think this system should be implemented for long term unemployed (over 12 months), also for continued payment of benefits within that first 12 months the person should have to prove on a monthly basis that they're actively seeking work, bring printouts of emails, letters etc. and before anyone says "but how can they afford broadband if unemployed" well there's free internet access at all public libraries in Ireland, to print a page costs 5c or thereabouts.

I've been unemployed in the past, and it's not pleasant, it's great for the first couple of weeks knowing you don't have to get up in the morning, but the fun wears out very quickly, sometimes you just need a push to get the confidence back, and sometimes doing a day's work can give you that.

That's what I reckon anyway.

We have the Corps here. In California, before the employment crash, Vista Corps would pay enough to just pay the rent and utilities, I think it was 1200 dollars a month or so. Now, they have lowered it to about 800 dollars a month, not enough to pay a one bedroom apt. here. What a coincidence.
Nevertheless I anticipate an announcement that the youth corps, senior corps vista corps, and ad nauseum will be our only options soon. We are flat broke in CA, no jobs, foreclosures, animal control and street maintenance gone, people casing the neighborhoods, etc. Else, they will let us flood the streets, there are no shelters.
If more people live together the 800 multiplied will seem a fortune, so I am tight with my people. We shall survive with God's help. We would rather be entrepreneurs, but there is no one left to sell to, I must admit.
Americans are independent and not used to living in close quarters, noise, smoking, pets, night hours, social mores, etc. We better wise up and get together is all I can say. Living in cars is illegal here and a tent on someone else's land will get you jailed.
Get together ! Love.

The masters of the plantation have always been a bit stingy, and complaining about the few crumbs they allow us now and then is an old slave tradition! We even have songs about it!

And when it came to lazy slaves, didn't we actually expect the whip to come out?

It seems that the problem here isn't the number of crumbs, nor is it the terrifying whip.

The problem here may be: "Bad slaves".

Perhaps we should ask, how many deserve the lash? Perhaps if we reduce the number of crumbs, they'll soon be quite happy with what little they do have?

What might be nice is if the rest of the slaves got the message too, which really hasn't changed all that much: Just be a good slave!

Hmmm. On second thought, maybe the problem isn't "bad" slaves after all...Perhaps the real problem is that people ARE slaves to begin with, and occasionally, they allow themselves to imagine differently.

Ah, but a bit of "unemployment" sure brings them around! A shorter leash, fewer crumbs, soon they shall be reminded of their true place. Soon they shall be glad to perform the most menial tasks!

And then! Just wait until one slave, looks down his nose at another, only slightly less fortunate: "Well, I have a job! I work for my money! You slobs should be ashamed of yourselves! Massa is so RIGHT to crack the whip, over the likes of YOU!"

History tells us that there was in fact a breed, that simply did not make for good slaves. Oh sure, no one could fault the white man for trying to enslave the American Indian! A noble effort was made, early on, to put Indians to work, get "some" good out of them...it is the white man's way! And was it not far better, than having to kill them?

Alas, almost a century of trying, completely failed! Indians were just "no damn good". They would run off, first chance they got! They weren't "afraid" of the woods at all. Their black brothers on the other hand, were smart enough to know they wouldn't really last "out there" (and besides, Massa wasn't SO bad, he even let us sing and dance sometimes!).

Particularly frustrating, depending on how stubborn the tribe in question, you might literally have to whip one of them to death! Yes, they could be THAT stubborn! And so, the white man eventually just gave up on Indians. No question about it, they just weren't worth the trouble.

I know that the end of this well-known story is not so inspiring, because it was eventually decided that the troublesome Indians would have to be exterminated, or at a minimum, rounded up, and placed on reservations, where they could at least be watched properly.

BUT, is there something to learn here after all? Could it be that no one can really make you a slave? By the time the chains are fastened around our necks, as we are being led to the ship, were we not already slaves, just waiting for someone to come along, and finally "put us to productive work"?

Perhaps these questions are bit much for this thread, but the whole world seems to be headed in the same direction. At some point, we need to start asking, because...

We're being led to the ships.

JR