Clear Chemtrail Skies

reply to post by weedwhacker


Well There weedwhacker you have to admit that we are all intelligent members (I will wager above average), for
the most part discussing this here.
What I find interesting though is that there is a strong argument on "both sides of the isle" and as far as I am
concerned all opinions matter here. Now, you and several of your school of thought believe conclusively that the
"science" holds true and is irrefutable. On the other hand, there are many here with a good sound understanding of science and the trials necessary to test a theory. I believe some of this mindset truly no longer believe all that they
are told. In other words they feel that a good deal of information has been withheld, or converted into an outright
deception. I respect this "outside of the box thinking" as well as the science. Perhaps we are both being deceived.
Now, one way to maybe focus closer to the truth would be to recover MANY samples from the trails left by these
aircraft. Preferably at the altitude that these trails are discharged. A previous poster mentioned how this would be
difficult. But it would not be impossible. It would be costly though. I was considering that some weather balloons
with "Traps" could be released into the sky. The traps would open at a particular altitude according to flight path
and elevation of the craft in question. Of course, the balloons would have to be recovered, and then the traps sent for analysis to a variety of different labs to try to reach an unbiased result.

I imagine that you would need,beside funding, permission from the regulatory aviation commission from each
country or local involved. What an experiment this would be! Certainly would focus and give light to a conclusive
truth that all could agree on. There may be another scientific method that would be easier. Such as focusing a
private satellite capable of spectrum analysis on these trails. While I have neither the skill nor capability to approach such an endeavor by myself, I would be more than willing to do what ever I could to help participate in
a group effort. Not to mention that this would be an excellent Doctoral Thesis for and up and coming PHD's out there. Just remember where you got the idea! Right here on ATS from Wildmanimal

reply to post by Wildmanimal


You don't have to do any of that.

Much easier to simply find PROOF of the types of "spraying airplanes" that are alleged to exist by catching sight and photographing them on the ground.

For those who shout "But, it's in the fuel!", that is easily shown to be false by many methods.

Firstly by learning about how the turbine engines work, mechanically AND what operating temperatures they produce internally, and then the "chemtrail" claimants will have to come up with substances that will endure those processes.

Or, just check the fuel itelf!!!

Finally, barring all of that, I offered suggestions of other tools available, using your computer and your brain and your eyes. In this thread, in above post. You can SEE the true identity of the airplanes, as they make contrails.

What is better than that??

reply to post by weedwhacker


Excellent common sense advice. I appreciate it.

By the way, your guy looked a lot happier before Bugs stole his raygun! Cheers!

And if it was "in the fuel" as some of the chemtrail believers allege, then why arent those planes making large contrails from the moment they start engines, taxi around the airport, and especially during takeoff and climbout?

I mean it seems to only happen in the very thin and very cold air of typical cruise altitude of jet aircraft....hmmmmm

(trying to help some of you add 1 + 1 and get 2, instead of 25 )

Hi, I live in central Sweden, and have studied the sky for some months now, ever since I first became aware of chemtrails. at first I was sceptic, but there is no doubt that these clouds are manmade, not natural, in flight paths that follow no normal flight corridors. On non chemtrail days, all airplanes stay in a row in a few narrow corridors of cobntrolled airspace leading straight to and from airports, leaving the rest of the sky blue. On chemtrail days, the sky is striped evenly all over, with planes definitely not going to the regular airports. The only similar flight pattern is that of crop dusting planes, covering an equal amount of land each. To me, just the fact that they are blocking my sunshine when I want to get a tan is bad enough for me to want to know what's going on! In Sweden summer is very short, so of course I get disturbed if many of the few available sunny days get ruined by airplane exhaust.
With all the thousands of chemtrail pictures from all over the world, not even the most unconvinced people can say that NOTHING is happening and that it's ALL normal, because normal flight paths NEVER spread planes evenly over the entire sky! Now THAT'S a fact that is 100% true! hehe, everything else is up to speculation. Depending on where you read, what the chemtrails consist of is everything from harmless exhaust, to barium and aluminum, to worse and worse poisons, to sun repelling flakes used to stop global warming, to virus and bacteria designed to kill off most of the world's population, to particles used to help use earth's magnetic field as a weapon, to manifestations from the fourth or fifth dimension, to being fake holograms. It really isn't easy to decide what to believe with so many suggestions.
one thing I would like some help with is to check the hologram theory. If the chemtrails are holograms, they should be identical in at least some pics. So if anyone with a lot of time on their hands would like to compare chemtrail pics from all over and see if they can get any positive twin IDs, I'd be interested in knowing about it. I think looking a the chemtrail X-es would be easiest to compare. If none match, I guess we could rule out the hologram theory and focus on the other alternatives,
But whatever is in them, let's all join in and protest against chemtrails! (not that the NWO governments will listen, but anyway...)

reply to post by mrcurious


I suggest you don't fully understand ALL of the air traffic routes over central Sweden:

...all airplanes stay in a row in a few narrow corridors of cobntrolled airspace leading straight to and from airports...

Doesn't work that way, not in Sweden, nor anywhere else in the World.

Have you ever looked at this website? www.flightradar24.com...

WATCH the airplanes, and which (very many, and varied) directions they fly. THAT is what you see, CONtrails. Ice crystals. Identical to cirrus clouds, in composition. That is why they're visible!! (And, INvisible to radar!! Because, IF there were any metallic substances, like aluminum or barium, THEN they would light up every radar screen that scanned the area!).

reply to post by NewWorldDisorder


Hey there NWD, Thanks for the reply. I thought it an interesting topic, and that it melds with my outdoor observations as of late. I lived out in Seattle for a year and a half or so. Is it still raining?

Good site weedwacker, thanks. I'm not saying I have any real answers. All I'm really saying is that there is absolutely no rational explanation to why planes on normal days fly along normal narrow flight corridors like they are following a highway in the sky, using only a few lanes leaving the rest of the sky clear, and on those days none of the planes leave wide exhaust clouds, while on chemtrail days, planes are suddenly not following those narrow lanes but are evenly spaced over the whole sky, which would mean that most are not following the ideal routes they used the day before and the day after, going straight from airport to airport, and suddenly all the planes are malfunctioning simultaneously, since they are visibly spewing out much dirtier exhaust trails than usual, since on chemtrails days, the trails dont dissapear for hours like they did on the day before or the day after a chemtrail day. On normal days, all planes only leave thin lines that soon dissolve completely, but on chemtrail days, there can still be seen a few normal planes with thin exhaust streaks, and they are usually the only ones you can hear, too. No matter what's in the exhausts, don't it strike you as odd as to why it's only on the coordinated "fly across the whole sky in equal spaces- days" that the exhaust trails are wide, dirty and non-disappearing? If you can't see the abnormality in the changed flight paths on chemtrail days, try wiping off the chemtrail fallout from your glasses so you can see more clearly, hehe.

wow! I just went outside and looked at the sky. What a beautiful, sunny day, no clouds at all! Nothing like yesterday, when the entire sky was streaked with ugly white chemtrails. Oh look, a single airplane, and it's hardly leaving any trace at all, just a thin white line that doesn't spread out. It just disappears a bit behind the plane, just like it usually does. They must have miraculously repaired all the world's airplanes since yesterday. Maybe it's an intermittent problem, just occurring by accident simultaneously on all the planes on certain weekdays, so the malfunction both makes them all give off unnatural exhausts and fly along unnatural flight paths on the same day, then the next day all the planes are back to normal again? That must be the rational explaination, since the chemtrails absolutely don't exist according to some. I'm so happy I finally came up with the truth. Then all we have to do to stop the uglification of our skies is to find the computer virus that is making the planes malfunction, then the skies will go back to being naturally blue everyday again!

Or could there really be a conspiracy behind it all....???

reply to post by mrcurious


I would suggest for you, embark on some college-level meteorology courses. This may involve actually leaving the house, and not relying solely on the Internet for the lessons. Of course, a thorough search, using the Internet, is free --- and would be a good start.

All I'm really saying is that there is absolutely no rational explanation ....

Yes there is.

... planes on normal days fly along normal narrow flight corridors like they are following a highway in the sky, using only a few lanes leaving the rest of the sky clear, and on those days none of the planes leave wide exhaust clouds, while on chemtrail days, planes are suddenly not following those narrow lanes but are evenly spaced over the whole sky....

I've given you one tool, for the aviation part. What is happening, here, is you aren't seeing EVERY airplane, when you are looking....it is your perception of things you see, and filling in blanks of things you can't see....because, you certainly aren't out there for eight hours straight, staring at he sky, and trying to see EVERY airplane, in a scientific and exacting manner....are you? IF you also learned more about aviation, your misconceptions would gradually become obvious, to you.

.....and suddenly all the planes are malfunctioning simultaneously....

NO, no "malfunctions".

... since they are visibly spewing out much dirtier exhaust trails than usual...

"dirtier"?? Are the contrails black, or gray? No, I imagine they're white....just as always, and look EXACTLY like cirrus clouds. Cirrus clouds come in several different shapes and sizes. And, contrails are not different from naturally-forming cirrus clouds in any appreciable way.

... since on chemtrails days....

This shows to the core of your misperceptions.

Contrails, when they last a long time after forming, do so BECAUSE even IF no airplane had been there to make the contrail, conditions were ripe for CIRRUS clouds to form, anyway. AND, one day you have clouds, next day you might not. It is how the atmosphere works, how it's worked for billions of years. Now, toss in an airplane, flying on that day (when clouds will form anyway, because the Relative Humidity is high enough) and that disturbance, OF the airplane --- and the heat from the engines, triggers cloud formation. Nature has other triggers, too. Human technological activity has effects as well.


It really isn't hard to find a lot of information, on the Web, of a scientific nature to explain these things. Of course, as mentioned, an educational course of study is far more in-depth --- and anyone who wishes a carreer in that field (meteorology) obviously has to go that route.

Still....even for the layperson, there is always "Wiki":

Formation
Cirrus clouds are formed when water vapor freezes into ice crystals at altitudes above 8000 meters (26,000 ft). Due to the sparse moisture at a high altitude, they tend to be very thin. At this altitude, aircraft leave condensation trails that can turn into cirrus clouds. This happens when hot exhaust, mostly water, freezes, leaving a visible trail. Streaks may appear straight when wind shear is absent, giving the clouds the appearance of a comma (cirrus uncinus), or tangle, an indication of high-level turbulence. The falling ice crystals evaporate before reaching the ground.

Forecast
A high number of cirrus clouds may be a sign of an approaching frontal system or upper air disturbance. This usually signals a change in weather in the near future, usually becoming increasingly stormy. Cirrus clouds can also be the remnants of a thunderstorm. A large shield of cirrus and cirrostratus typically accompany the high altitude outflow of hurricanes or typhoons. Cirrus clouds have also been observed developing after the persistent formation of contrails from an aircraft. I ncrease in air traffic is a possible cause of an increasing amount of cirrus clouds.

en.wikipedia.org...

Take a look at the link (and others) to see pictures.

Might help if you look for videos of cirrus clouds, shown in time-lapse. The normal "life" of a cloud occurs so slowly, in Human perception, that speeding it up with photography helps you to visualize what happens.

reply to post by stars15k


You're seriously wrong.. !! there are chemtrails.. we had some in Oregon just 3 days ago.. and BAM! the rains came pouring down..

OR .. instead of Chemtrails.. insert .. Weather Manipulation..

reply to post by Komodo


Or maybe just weather?

After all, high level cirrus clouds have been appearing ahead of frontal systems for at least 4,000,000,000 years - why should it be any different now? Aircraft exhaust just means more such clouds form, more readily.

I don't need to see all the airplanes or watch the entire sky the entire day to see the drastic difference. Whatever name we might use for them, chemtrail days, abnormal days, unnatural days, there is definitey an anomaly compared to a normal day. In nature, clouds and storms and weather patterns work like fractals, in a chaos pattern, usually in swirls and circular motions. On these unnatutal days there occur clouds evenly placed in straight lines all over the sky. An evenly spaced striped sky has never been, and will never be, a natural phenomenon.
Why anybody would use the totally pointless flying routes of spreading out the planes evenly on some days while bunching them up into a few narrow flight corridors the next, especially if it's the same airplane flying on a shuttle route back and forth between the exact same two cities like a commuter bus, is also idiotic. It would be logistically insane, like, ok guys, now it's tuesday. Let's all spread out and fly side by side to save fuel and time. Tomorrow is wednesday. Then the plan is to let people have a sunny cloudless day for a change, so then our flight plan makes us all want to bunch together on a few narrow jet highways leaving the rest of the sky clear.
And while we're at it, let's all coordinate to fly at completely different altitudes than on normal days, so we deliberately make much wider and prettier long lasting CONtrails with no other harmless meaning than to beautify the sky so we help people on the ground not see that ugly sunshine clearly.
My first and only point in this discussion, and I'll stay focussed on that until it's satifactorally explained, is that there is a definite, easily and clearly visible difference in how the sky looks on normal versus abnormal days, and that there are two anomalies happening simultaneously. If it was just one of them it could be explained away as normal, but the fact that it's only on the days when the flight plans change into the stripe the sky pattern, that most of the planes simultaneously start making the much broader clouds behind them.
With all the thousands of photos and eye witness accounts from all over the world, including me and four of my friends reporting from different cities in sweden, simultaneously and comletely independently, that the sky looks completely different (striped) on the same day for everyone, but on the next day all our skies ar back to normal again, is proof enough for anyone who dares to compare, that it's not natural. What it is I can't say, but I can say that, it ain't natural, and we sure don't want it! Even if nothing falls down, the uglification of the skies is a serious enough issue to start protesting!

reply to post by mrcurious


The "uglification" (as you put it) of the skies is the result of NORMAL airline traffic.

The airplanes fly basically the same routes, same paths, every day (and IF you really wanted to do a study scientifically, to either PROVE "chemtrailing", or to finally see for yourself how you're wrong, you WOULD have to watch all day, and catalogue each and every flight, and know its altitude....ALSO, same day, you would have to compare the actual recorded atmospheric conditions....relative humidity....or, "RH"... and winds aloft.....you can't just "look up" now and then, and draw the sorts of conclusions you, and your friends, are drawing).

I urge you to go ask someone, check your local University, ask a professor of science, especially meteorology, if there is such a department. You need some one-on-one instruction. Else, you will remain uneducated on the topics.

BTW, about the "parallel lines" of contrails....that also is normal, and is most obvious on days when the winds at altitude (we refer to them as "winds aloft") are from a certain direction, compared to the direction of the contrails, and blowing at certain velocities....AND, there is little "shear" activity, in the airflow. THAT IS, no turbulence.

Think about your airline flights....you can be in "smooth" air, even when the air-mass you're flying in is flowing at 150 KPH..or more. However, sometimes there are areas where faster-moving airflows interact with slower...OR direction changes dramatically, in a very narrow band of altitude....or even at a vertical and slanted angle. This is called a "shear" area, (or, "shear zone") and is responsible for the high-altitude turbulence you experience on an airline flight. Contrails that are formed in the same, "smooth" areas, will last longer (when RH is high enough). Contrails formed as airplanes fly through the "shear zones" will either break up, or be spread out, or otherwise alter their appearance, depending on the conditions aloft.

Therefore, when conditions allow the contrails to "hang around", and IF they're flowing along with the winds, THAT can make them appear parallel. "How?", you ask? Because each contrail is made one after the other...the first one moves with the wind, after it's made...then, another airplane comes along four minutes later, same route over the ground, but IT leaves a contrail, which then begins to drift also....they are spaced out, side-be-side, by time.

Since air is invisible, you aren't aware of this...but, that's one way to determine, visually, that there is wind up there. Things are carried on the wind. If it helps, you can picture a river, in place of the air...also, where currents and eddies occur, is the similarity to wind shear zones (think whitewater river rafting, for example).

Originally posted by NewWorldDisorder
reply to post by Wildmanimal

 

I live between two major airports, Boeing Field and SeaTac in Seattle...And you're right. I hadn't thought about it until now, but I haven't seen a contrail in quite some time. I say 'contrail' because I'm a firm believer that chemtrails are hogwash.

Anyway, great thread! Going to finish reading now.

[edit on 6-9-2010 by NewWorldDisorder]

You won't see contrails of aircraft arriving at or departing from either BFI (Boeing) or SEA (SeaTac) The Standard Instrument Arrivals get arrivals down to 10,000' MSL at least 90 miles away. It's far too warm down there to freeze the water vapor. And on departure, even a best efforts climb in most airline aircraft might get you an average of 2000'/minute climb. That means it would take 15 minutes and 60 miles to get to contrail altitude.

reply to post by mrcurious


Your confusion is understandable, arising, as it does, from an utter lack of knowledge of the modern avigation system. You are analogizing to highways and cars. For instance, if I want to travel from Sarasota to Cincinatti, the normal route would be I-75, although I could use US 27 or 41 or 441. But the huge majority of traffic uses I-75. Air navigation is much more flexible. For instance, the shortest distance between JFK airport in NYC and Paris would be to take off from runway 4Left, take a slight right to establish a course of 053 degrees, go 3635 miles and land. Trouble is, everyone coming from Paris to NYC would be going exactly the same track in the opposite direction. And there is no radar out there just South of the tip of Greenland. So they have established a North Atlantic Track system that consists of a bunch of parallel tracks between Europe and North America. They change daily to reflect changing winds and traffic, like when British Airways gets its Barbados routes going. Today's tracks are at www.turbulenceforecast.com... A lot of pilots would chose Yankee or Zulu tracks because of distance and wind considerations. Others might choose Uniform Track for a smooth ride. Others might choose one of those but be assigned a different track by Oceanic Control. So you could have 6 747s in a line abreast formation going from west to east at 39,000' (FL 390) with 6 others underneath them at 37,000' (depending on RVSM applicability) and another 6 at 35,000'. Oh yeah, another herd can be following ten minutes behind. And all those people have to come home sometime. So you have a Westbound Track system also for use in the daylight. The eastbound track toward Europe is used at night.The Todays Europe to North America System is at www.turbulenceforecast.com... But wait. We're not done. There is SLOP built into the system, specifically the Strategic Lateral Offset Procedure, whereby planes are expected to fly either on track centerline or 1 or 2 nautical miles to the right. So now, effectively, you have 18 parallel tracks in the sky each direction.
And then you have the oddball who might want to go from Rio to Glascow, Scotland. There's your criss-cross. So thinking that there is a normal or only one way to get from here to there is just flat wrong.
I hate I-75 in Georgia, so I think I'll fly. Let's see, Direct SRC-J43-CVG or maybe J-75/J-85-IRQ - J99, or maybe SRQ Direct BAYLO Direct. Or maybe wait till the morning and do it at 500' in the BC12-D. Nope, 812 miles - take the GII. Anyway the idea of "highways in the sky" or "normal" flight routes, in these days of GPS, GNS, INS, etc, is not valid.

reply to post by weedwhacker


Hey There Weedwacker, The trails behind some planes do leave a contrail that appears like the ones I have
seen for years, that is ,they rapidly vanish not to far behind the aircraft. These unusual types do not rapidly
vanish, but create a trail across the sky ,infact, they linger for hours. Sometimes 6 hours or more. They appear in a grid like fashion, and are
discharged at a much lower altitude. Low ceiling cloud cover and rain is the general resulting change in weather
within 36 to 48 hours.

This is my honest observation anyway. I do not think that something would be added to fuel. But rather a
independant source injection or dispersal. The thought has crossed my mind that the Ozone layer (we hardly
hear about that these days) may have been so greatly compromised, that a system was created to try to block
out the harmful Ultraviolet rays without creating panic. As a previous poster, and you have mentioned, it could
be a number of things. I should mention to you just for posterity that I wasn't born yesterday, and I have clearly
noticed a difference in the way discharges from aircraft have changed over the years. Note: the engines of these
aircraft have changed as well. Could this have something to do with it? Possibly. To be clear, and respectful to
you, I must say that I find it sketchy to just paint it off as weather conditions. Then again, I question Everything.
I wasn't always like that, but after being blatantly lied to for decades it seems that my nature has changed.
Thanks for your interests and contributions to this thread. Regards,,,Wildmanimal

reply to post by Wildmanimal


According to this article, the UN has just put a stop to geoengineering, so this may have something to do with the fact that you didn't see any chemtrails. I hope this will be the end of them, for ever.

www.handsoffmotherearth.org...

reply to post by wcitizen


Thanks wcitizen, I will step right up and read all about it.

Very cool reply.

Originally posted by Wildmanimal
reply to post by wcitizen

 

Thanks wcitizen, I will step right up and read all about it.

Very cool reply.

More than happy to pass on some (hopefully) good news!