Collateral Friendship!

reply to post by NeutronAvenger

Originally posted by NeutronAvenger
I appreciate your input and understand your point of view, but as I asked in my opening post I didn't want this to turn into an anti-troops debate.

Sorry, don't want to be a jackass, but since when are we allowed to predetermine what kind of opinions are allowed to be posted in a certain thread?

I like the pictures you have posted, they are however, the sugar coating on an old rotten cake.

It's like praising the robber because he decided to wipe his feet before breaking in through the front door.

[edit on 30/8/2010 by serbsta]

reply to post by donhuangenaro

let me remind you about the real world of war:

lol, remind me about war? I was raised in a war zone, my sibling and parent was killed in war! So I am pretty knowledgeable on the subject!

lm with Lone gunman on this one. had you not mentioned the treason l would not be writing this now. Since when has telling the truth been an act of treason? TPTB say they want transparency so l dont see why telling the truth should in anyway be called treasonous. About a week ago there was a young man on here who has just joined the military. His reason for joining was because he could not find a job, how sad that the once proud nation of America should come to this. A few days ago l read a news report that said millions of people in pakistan have lost their homes and livelihoods because of the floods then it reported that US drones had killed a bunch of people in Pakistan, straight after that they reported that the US is sending a shipload of aid to Pakistan. So even though those poor people have nothing left we still cant stop killing them. The pictures you have posted are good and l know there are good soldiers out there. The trouble is, will those same children that you have been careing for still be alive next year when you have moved on. There is something you could do that would help all humanity. Ask the powers to be to turn that dang weather machine off, we know its for the cabon tax, enough is enough they have made their point. Peace to you all and come home safe.

reply to post by serbsta

Sorry, don't want to be a jackass, but since when are we allowed to predetermine what kind of opinions are allowed to be posted in a certain thread?

That wasn't my intention. Opinions are welcome!

However, my idea is that there are plenty of threads that are anti-troops and the intent of this thread is to somewhat flip the coin.

I would rather people read the opening post clearly to understand this is in no way a thread promoting war, rather celebrating some of the good that the soldiers have done.

As far as I am concerned, some of the arguments are defeating the purpose of this thread will accusations and information I am sure we are all already informed about.

If every soldier were capable of showing the same empathy, there probably would be no war

Nice pictures OP

Originally posted by NeutronAvenger
reply to post by donhuangenaro

 

let me remind you about the real world of war:

lol, remind me about war? I was raised in a war zone, my sibling and parent was killed in war! So I am pretty knowledgeable on the subject!

I have also grown up in the war zone, so I know what propaganda is and how it works

reply to post by star child

Since when has telling the truth been an act of treason?

Well...

Treason

1. (n.) The offense of attempting to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance, or of betraying the state into the hands of a foreign power; disloyalty; treachery.

2. (n.) Loosely, the betrayal of any trust or confidence; treachery; perfidy.

thinkexist.com...

Obviously the later. He was trusted by his country, his government and he betrayed that trust. Therefor that is considered treason.

reply to post by NeutronAvenger


I don't Hate you , I hate Your Bosses.

Solders are awesome people, but like any Military, in any country, bad Management, and those who think they are Killing for there Faith (not just Muslims, or Jews) , and the trigger happy, Screw it up for everyone.


I just wish there was a system for the military filtering itself out and the good hearted can take the reins

reply to post by NeutronAvenger


No doubt soldiers have done wonderful things in Iraq, but then again the good hearts of many soldiers do not justify the war. Theres this tactic by neoconservatives to attack any critics over the war as some attack on the soldiers which rarely the case. Its a way to deflect an argument and avoid any need to justify the war itself. The soldiers did not send themselves into this corporate war, however their innocence and assistance to many much needed Iraqies does not justify the war itself.

[edit on 30-8-2010 by Southern Guardian]

majority of our members think that treason is more heroic than the men and woman in uniform putting their lives at risk.

I am not a US citizen, so that does not apply to me and a lot of other members

And please refrain from turning this into an anti-troops/US debate!

As long it is not against forum rules, I can write whatever i want.

That said, the US Military has caused much much more sadness so far, then the above happy pictures in Iraq and Afghanistan.

However, with the removal of Saddam and Taliban, a much brighter and pleasant future awaits Iraq and Afghanistan.

This is shocking.

Its still people with guns in a country they should not be in.

It doesn't matter how you dress it up.

You gotta hug someone with a gun. If you run a way they might shot you in the back.

Snap out of it and wake up.

reply to post by Myendica

Well he showed the non-propaganda image.

You have missed the point. The OP implies the picture represents a friendship between child and soldier. In reality the child has been drenched in the blood of his massacred family, all thanks to the murderous rampage which these scum feel is their patriotic duty to participate in.

"The greatest crimes in the world are not committed by people breaking the rules but by people following the rules. It's people who follow orders that drop bombs and massacre villages."
-Banksy

To the people that support the troops but not the war, would you also have supported the Nazis if you were an early 1940s German? Surely people should think a little bit about what they are doing before they decide to take the life of another?

"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing."
-Dwight D. Eisenhower

Also, what's up with this pic?



Looks more like a bloodied child wrapped in a blanket than a happy friendship (note the bloody leg and blood on the blanket above the orange, between the soldiers hands).







[edit on 30-8-2010 by Azp420]

Op you bring up a good point that should be discussed.
Not supporting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan implies I do not love my country? It implies I am a traitor in your mind?

Let me be the first to say that soldiers in battle may do dirty deeds. In the heat of the moment bad things can happen.I am not happy that they do but realize that its a possibility/probability in combat ops.

The issue isnt do bad things happen.The issue isnt are all US service men and women cold blooded heartless killers.
The issues are- Should We Be There? Why did we go there? Why are we still there.

Anyone who blames the servicemen and women in country have lost the plot.Bad things will happen to all sides while we are in combat ops.Innocents will die lives will be ruined and blood will be spilled. Soldiers do what they are suppose to do.
I for one dont blame the troops for the decisions of a few at the top.
Support the troops-bring them home.

If that sounds like treason to you so be it.

reply to post by JetStream

Not supporting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan implies I do not love my country? It implies I am a traitor in your mind?

Absolutely not. As I have mentioned, the idea behind this thread is not the support of war, but the respect for the men and woman volunteering their lives for their countries.

The issues are- Should We Be There? Why did we go there? Why are we still there.

Again, those are questions in regards to the war and not the troops.

If that sounds like treason to you so be it.

I think you may of misinterpreted my opening post. I have not labeled any one as treasonous, except for those responsible for leaking classified documents, again a completely different topic.

reply to post by Azp420

You have missed the point. The OP implies the picture represents a friendship between child and soldier. In reality the child has been drenched in the blood of his massacred family, all thanks to the murderous rampage which these scum feel is their patriotic duty to participate in.

Incorrect. First, if you head to page 1, you will see I was not the one whom posted said picture. Second, the child wounds were inflicted by Iraqi resistance.

All we ever see is the ugly side of war because there is no pretty side!

War is hell!

I can't help but feel these pictures just try to gloss over all the bad stuff.

I think the Anti-troop thing is mainly an american issue.

Here in britain we have massive respect for our soldiers, wether we agree with the war or not. When one of ours dies in the war the whole nation mourns.

They are our sons, they are our daughters,
Our brothers, our sisters,
Our fathers, our mothers,
Our friends and our family.
They are ours, they are British.

Peace to those who are serving and those who have fallen.
ALS

P.S: Nice pictures.

[edit on 30-8-2010 by ALOSTSOUL]

reply to post by NeutronAvenger

Incorrect. First, if you head to page 1, you will see I was not the one whom posted said picture. Second, the child wounds were inflicted by Iraqi resistance.

Sorry, I should have worded that better.

The purpose of the thread implies the picture represents a friendship between child and soldier. In reality the child has been drenched in the blood of his massacred family, all thanks to the murderous rampage which these scum feel is their patriotic duty to participate in.

I know the wounds were apparently inflicted by the Iraqi resistance. The point is, that child would still have a family if these soldiers didn't feel the need to use violence to enforce their way of life on other parts of the world.

You did however, post the other friendly image of the bloodied child wrapped in a blanket. No comment on that?

the idea behind this thread is not the support of war, but the respect for the men and woman volunteering their lives for their countries.

Without them there would be no war. Bush didn't kill a single person in these wars (not that he isn't literally Satan). The grunts pulling triggers and the pilots dropping bombs did. How nice it must for them to just shift the blame up the command ladder. No matter how hard they scrub, they'll never get the blood off their hands.



[edit on 30-8-2010 by Azp420]

The point of this thread? Similar pictures could sure have been taken from hitlerjugend. What better way to gain popularity among a people you occupy, then giving some candy and hugs to the kids?

what would be heroic , is if these soldiers questioned their line of command and their senior officers also did the same for , they are actively engaging in war crimes. Which is far from honourable and far from heroic under the rules of engagement set out by the geneva convention and under the UN regulations !

By participating or following orders in an Illegal war , they are all war criminals!