Man fires pepper spray on protesters outside Marine's funeral

reply to post by idonotcollectstamps


The westboro baptist church,in my opinion,
is an abomination!They give all other churches
a bad name and a distorted view of christianity.
Their deeds give ammunition to the God haters
of the world.

reply to post by HomerinNC


I do not agree with their message. I do not approve of it. I WOULD stand up and fight for their right to exercise their freedoms.

I find it Ironic that at the funeral of a soldier who fought and died for a sworn oath to defend the constitution and the right to protest there is a group protesting him fighting and dying for their right to protest. The bitter sweet irony.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Star for you, sir, for posting this video and the message it brings. This is the best response I can think of to Phelps Church.

And if a member of Phelps Church should die, I would think that a peaceful gathering of people praying for the lost soul would be the best response. It might just open the eyes of some of the younger members.

After a lifetime of aggressive response, I tend to lean more toward the non-violent response these days. Maybe it is the sight of my grandchildren, and their beautiful innocence that did it; Idk.

The Westboro clan are pretty messed up.
Yes, they have the right to have an opinion but how they express it is just bizarre and hypocritical at best.
Christian?
That I said/asked, would want me to have the answer to "WWJD"
applied to their tactics.
Would their teacher, Jesus, crash and disrespect a funeral?
They must believe that he would!
I'm not a theologian by any means but the teachings in the new testament I believe are lacking a "how to crash and harass a funeral" section.
I've seen these attention hunting sideshow freaks interviewed and all I can say is I would need a case of beer to find the desire to attend a meeting, and another separate bottle of tequila to find the threshold of lost inhabition to mate with one of them.
This isnt about caring and concern or even principle to these people,
it's simply a worn out method to attract attention to themselves.
I say the ultimate attention grabbing scenario would be a sliding board into a wood chipper into a plowed field ready to plant flowers to be put on the graves of the men and women lost.
Maybe someday they'll find the lord they say they worship rather than worship the attention they create.
Parasites

reply to post by idonotcollectstamps

I very much like the idea of the Westboro Baptist Church. I believe that they are the true symbol of what liberty means in this country. Freedom of religion, freedom of speech and freedom of assembly at the most extreme.

Don't be so open minded that your brain falls out.

There's a such thing as "going too far" regardless if you agree or not.

Yes, they have the "right" in a legal sense. But morally speaking, im glad someone sprayed pepper spray at them, i just wish it had been more.

Originally posted by Snarf
im glad someone sprayed pepper spray at them, i just wish it had been more.

And I wish it had been from a power washer and I wish it had been from me in one truck, and five other trucks behind me.

OK, this really pisses me off:

A 2005 protest by church members at the funeral of a Missouri soldier prompted state lawmakers to pass legislation criminalizing picketing "in front or about" a funeral location or procession. A federal judge earlier this month rejected Missouri's tight restrictions, saying they violated the free speech clause of the First Amendment.

From the source. So it's OK to have "free speech zones" to protect the voice of politicians but it's not OK to have them for the grieving families of brave soldiers. That's totally whacked out.

I just thought up a joke. A guy dies and goes to Hell. It's a busy and crowed place but the man notices one empty room. So he asks Satan what it's for. The Devil replies, "That's for the Westboro people. We have a special place waiting here for them."

Again, and I seem to need to remind people of this a lot, WBC is not in any sort a true Christian church. It's not even meant to be. It's a family of civil rights lawyers who make money by suing people for prohibiting their protests and, what they argue and in truth really is, their right to free speech and assembly.

reply to post by SpectreDC


So the best defense against these tools is to have greater numbers and keep crossing a road to prevent them from obtaining their target? LEGAL CROSSWALK! Makes sense to me. Use the same tactics against them.

I figured years ago that some suicidal person would take a few of them out by now. With as many people that kill themselves daily, I'm surprised no one has taken WBC with them. I think it's inevitable...

Originally posted by intrepid
reply to post by SpectreDC

 

So the best defense against these tools is to have greater numbers and keep crossing a road to prevent them from obtaining their target? LEGAL CROSSWALK! Makes sense to me. Use the same tactics against them.

Yes use the same tactics but you need to do something different. You need to take their momentum and commandeer it with your own. That is why I'll suggest searching a story about how the WBC protested Comic Con, and how a bunch of furfags, nerds, geeks, basement dwellers and the like dealt with them. No violence, they just out trolled them.

A small group of friends of mine did the same in Boston a few years back although I don't recall any real press from it. You're turning what causes people to be angry into humor, not only killing the purpose of them being there but making complete fools out of them at the same time.

WAIT A MINUTE!?

For those of you denigrating these folks, tell me, which side of the Mosque debate are you on?

Just wunderin!

Would not want to be hypocritical would you?

Now, I think they are a bunch of morons to do this. It is NOT the choice of a SOLDIER to go to war. Be it the private or the 4 star general. It is the POLITICIANS that set policy. REMEMBER?

So, for my analogy, these idiots and the mosque idiots have the right, are they idiots?

Well, would I call them idiots if I did not think they were?

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower


Sorry dude. That made no sense to me. You're reaching an abomination and trying to get support for something else? At the risk of action, are you a paid person? You're insertion of this makes no sense, unless there's an agenda.

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower


Brilliant post shamelessly dragging in an unrelated topic my friend.

Well done.

reply to post by intrepid


What the analogy does not fit?

You have people that are being asses protesting at a soldier's funeral. They have the right, just not the smartest or fair thing to do.

The mosque is being protested not because they do not have the right, but because it is not the smartest or fair thing to do.

Tell me oh intrepid, where exactly is the problem with the analogy?

Or are you arguing that soldiers actually make the choice of war or not?

Be more specific in your argument, it did not seem to make much sense.

reply to post by SpectreDC


I made an analogy and it FITS PERFECTLY!

The right to protest something that someone feels is WRONG.

Explain to me how that is not related!

[edit on 29-8-2010 by saltheart foamfollower]

Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
Tell me oh intrepid, where exactly is the problem with the analogy?

I'm glad you asked. If you don't know you don't know what it means to serve something more that yourself. The dead that these people are objecting to are the ones that are fighting for their rights to do so.

I'm sorry but that's enough to make one

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower


Because the WBC protests to make money and solely that.

The people who are protesting the Mosque are doing it out of stupidity and irrationality.

reply to post by intrepid


Hey, I feel the SAME way.

I just used the analogy for those that are decrying those that are against the mosque.

Where is the outrage by those for Pelosi calling for an investigation into those opposing the mosque? Sounds like a free speech item to me.

Yes, everyone has the RIGHT to free speech. They also have the RIGHT to build a mosque wherever they want.

Does not mean it is the right thing to do.

As I said, these people are idiots. They are protesting the military. The military has NO CHOICE in their actions. They follow the orders of the politicians. PERIOD.

Reminds me of the spitters and I tell you, those types are lucky I never see this kind of stuff. I am not so kind to morons.

reply to post by SpectreDC


Yes. Sometimes you gotta join 'em to beat 'em. Given a choice, laughter and not anger is the best medicine. Here's another protest of the WBC protest. Looks like fun!

Originally posted by EnactedEgoTrip
This is why I hate religion. It destroys people's rationality and common sense and distorts right and wrong.

War is wrong and sick. But at least let the people who die needlessly have some dignity, they leave behind loved ones. Theres no need to do these protests, I bet they would hate it if the situation was reversed and someone caused loads of # at their funeral. Do to them what they have done. Maybe then they might understand.

However the bloke spraying them did unfortunately go too far. Yes he was probably doing the American people a favour by taking on this scum, but violence isnt the way to get things done.

Lets hope these people wake up and realise what they are doing before its too late.

I think you'll find that the fault lies in the fallibility and violence of man, not in the institution of religion and the concept of theism itself.

Don't hate the game - hate the player.