National Hero and sixth man to walk on the Moon comes clean

reply to post by SarK0Y
[ Russian Cosmonauts have said that they have seen "UFO's" I direct you to this thread...www.abovetopsecret.com...]

I have no way of knowing where Mitchell got all his information about alien visits, government contacts and all that, but he's sure sold on it. He's been telling these stories for many years now. I've even heard him say more than once that the aliens are little gray guys with big heads and eyes.

[edit on 31-8-2010 by witness63]

Originally posted by Overtime

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by ReturnOfGoukilock
so we need to go through a useless Filter to understand what an astronaut said, instead of listening to the astronaut?

No, actually listen to the astronaut has to say, everything the astronaut has to say. You want to misquote the astronauts, only cutting off the astronaut after he says "alien" or "UFO" and nothing more. You do not want the whole story.

Originally posted by ReturnOfGoukilock
Meanwhile, these "Filters" are just normal people, and not as qualified as the astronauts

Your appeal-to-authority aside, the only people trying to act as a filter is you and others in this thread misquoting the astronauts? And despite your continual comments that MMN, IgnoreTheFacts and I are disinformation agents, the only people here spreading disinformation is you and others misquoting the astronauts, attempting to hide the whole story.

Originally posted by ReturnOfGoukilock
When does your shift end?

Are you able to discuss the topic in a mature manner without discussing other members or making digs at them?

[edit on 31-8-2010 by DoomsdayRex]

As far as Gordon Cooper goes Ive read his book and there is no half quotes with missing info. The fact is the first man to orbit the Earth has seen and firmly believes that we are being visited by et craft. Period.

Bingo. So after 20 pages what is the final verdict so we can start investigating instead of bickering?

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by Overtime
As far as Gordon Cooper goes Ive read his book and there is no half quotes with missing info. The fact is the first man to orbit the Earth has seen and firmly believes that we are being visited by et craft. Period.

So what?

Right there you are misinterpreting him. Sure he may have seen a UFO. Sure he may believe that aliens are visiting the Earth. Nowhere does he claim to have any first-hand, special knowledge. Cooper was clear on this.

Once again, I asked for astronauts making claims of first-hand knowledge about aliens and what I am given is UFO sightings and belief, not knowledge.

[edit on 31-8-2010 by DoomsdayRex]

I think it comes from his Army and Air Force background before NASA? Doomsday Rex, are you just coaching people to work harder on posting tangible material for discussion, or do you really not know?

Here's something from Wiki:

UFO claims Cooper claimed to have seen his first UFO while flying over West Germany in 1951, although he denied reports he had seen a UFO during his Mercury flight.[5] However, these claims are controversial due to a conflict Cooper had with NASA's management. In 1957, when Cooper was 30 and a captain, he was assigned to Fighter Section of the Experimental Flight Test Engineering Division at Edwards Air Force Base in California. He acted as a test pilot and project manager. On May 3 of that year, he had a crew setting up an Askania-cinetheodolite precision landing system on a dry lake bed. This cinetheodolite system would take pictures at one frame per second as an aircraft landed. The crew consisted of James Bittick and Jack Gettys who began work at the site just before 0800, using both still and motion picture cameras. According to his accounts, later that morning they returned to report to Cooper that they saw a "strange-looking saucer" like aircraft that did not make a sound either on landing or take off. According to his accounts, Cooper realized that these men, who on a regular basis have seen experimental aircraft flying and landing around them as part of their job of filming those aircraft, were clearly worked up and unnerved. They explained how the saucer hovered over them, landed 50 yards away from them using three extended landing gears and then took off as they approached for a closer look. Being photographers with cameras in hand, they of course shot images with 35mm and 4-by-5 still cameras as well as motion film. There was a special Pentagon number to call to report incidents like this. He called and it immediately went up the chain of command until he was instructed by a general to have the film developed (but to make no prints of it) and send it right away in a locked courier pouch. As he hadn't been instructed to not look at the negatives before sending them, he did. He said the quality of the photography was excellent as would be expected from the experienced photographers who took them. What he saw was exactly what they had described to him. He did not see the movie film before everything was sent away. He expected that there would be a follow up investigation since an aircraft of unknown origin had landed in a highly classified military installation, but nothing was ever said of the incident again. He was never able to track down what happened to those photos. He assumed that they ended up going to the Air Force's official UFO investigation, Project Blue Book, which was based at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. He held claim until his death that the government is indeed covering up information about UFOs. He gives the example of President Harry Truman who said on April 4, 1950, "I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on Earth." He also pointed out that there were hundreds of reports made by his fellow pilots, many coming from military jet pilots sent to respond to radar or visual sightings from the ground. He was quite convinced till the day he died that he had seen UFOs and was a strong advocate to make the government come clean with what it knew. [1] In his memoirs Cooper wrote he had seen other unexplained aircraft several times during his career and also said hundreds of similar reports had been made, often by military jet pilots responding to radar or visual sightings from the ground. He further claimed these sightings had been "swept under the rug" by the US government.[3] Throughout his later life Cooper expressed repeatedly in interviews he had seen extra-terrestrial crafts and described his recollections for the documentary Out of the Blue.

Source

You can debate on the definition of a UFO, that's cool. You can go into the Science/Technology section and debate about Time Travel. This is the Alien/UFO section.

Gordon Cooper stated "ET Craft", with his background maybe he can tell the difference between Alien Craft, Time Machine, Inter Dimensional Craft, and Secret Government Craft. If all 4 exist.

Side comment: NASA has the Hubble and Kepler telescope, why not make a telescope or a cheap probe to take some high quality pictures of the Apollo Moon Landing with the Flag, that would be fun! That alone would cause a lot of excitement! Maybe on the Anniversary? Is it not Man-Kind's biggest accomplishment? Cool!! Do it NASA, please!!! I bet the pictures are mind blowing...

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by witness63
He's been saying that for a long time, and I've heard other astronauts say the same things over the years.

Please provide us with a single astronaut claiming to have first hand knowledge of this, not simply stating personal belief.

Arent beliefs based on first hand knowledge ?

for instance , if you get first hand knowledge of something , you can then form a belief about that subject , so arent the two linked


For example I read a book on physics the other day , I read about black body radiation , I believe these experiments are quite important.

How is that any different from any of the astronauts reading or being told by someone they work with about UFO's , alien in origin and them then forming a belief about it .


Just so you know rex Im not arguing for the sake of it , I'd just like to know what you think is the difference between this and what you mention

thanks

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
No they are not "protecting us". Our governments have an agreement with the grays to abduct a certain number of us for experiments and food in exchange for some of their technology.

Take a deep breath and imagine the looks on the faces of White House if you could ask them on a live broadcast "Have you made a deal with the aliens in which they can ubduct people and we get some technology from them?"

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arent all of the questions the media ask during live confrences not vetted first ?

Oh, they are vetted. But once you stand up if you had the balls you could say or ask anything you want. But if you want to keep your job, and not be laughed out of your profession asking about the aliens abducting people is not a good idea.

well yeh I guess that would be the consequence of asking such an out there question , especially when you would just be kindly escorted from the premises then , drugged and brainwashed or something ! hahaha

Originally posted by sapien82

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by witness63
He's been saying that for a long time, and I've heard other astronauts say the same things over the years.

Please provide us with a single astronaut claiming to have first hand knowledge of this, not simply stating personal belief.

Arent beliefs based on first hand knowledge ?

for instance , if you get first hand knowledge of something , you can then form a belief about that subject , so arent the two linked


For example I read a book on physics the other day , I read about black body radiation , I believe these experiments are quite important.

How is that any different from any of the astronauts reading or being told by someone they work with about UFO's , alien in origin and them then forming a belief about it .


Just so you know rex Im not arguing for the sake of it , I'd just like to know what you think is the difference between this and what you mention

thanks

Actually the belief in something comes first, such as the belief in the cell, which was then verified as fact. There was belief that missiles/rockets (basically the same thing) could be launched into space with life aboard and the life would survive, and then came fact and knowing.

Millions of people believe in religion without knowing, they are going on faith.

Having ones opinions one a subject is belief not knowledge.

There have never been definite reports to say what UFOs are, just speculation which some people take for definitive proof, which it is not. If we had definitive proof, there would be no need for debate over the issue, as it would be known to all.

This forum on this site exists to help bring about the truth, not because the truth is already known. If it was fact then people who bring forth pictures of UFOs and post them here would have very little response because it would be mundane. It would be the equivalent of someone taking a picture of an airliner passing over and posting it.

IF someone comes forward telling the world they have knowledge base on information they were told is simply hearsay no mater who the source may be. If the president of the US comes forward and says he has been handed knowledge on aliens visiting earth, it is hearsay unless he has back up material as proof.

reply to post by AlienCarnage


I get what you mean , but arent beliefs in such things as aliens and God a two way system.

A child isnt born with the belief in aliens or god without first receiving knowledge directly from ones own research or from some other source , factual or fictitious

For instance you dont believe in god until you receive some information or knowledge about religion.

You dont believe in aliens until your first receieve knowledge of the universe and space exploration

We could then still say that people could believe in them with conviction without actual proof.

What is proof though , a group of people who individually coroborate anothers story?

this would be the same in science , for instance scientists need to be able to provide the same experimental or theoretical results in order to prove something , a theory so that it is law !

So by hundreds of people independantly coroborating sightings and other observations , they too could be seen as proof .

No?

reply to post by sapien82


You do not receive knowledge of religion; you are given input on what to believe. That information given is not knowledge as no one knows for sure if there is a god, this is faith not knowledge, in order for it to be knowledge, you would have to have first hand contact with god yourself, and otherwise you are putting faith that people are giving you correct information.

The same goes with aliens, unless you have first hand contact, you are going on faith alone that you are handed the correct information, this is not knowledge it is information.

Science in many ways is faith as well, you don’t usually see an atom first hand, unless you have access to some powerful technology, you are going based on information you are given, and having faith in that information that chemical reactions are based on the atomic level. This is not knowledge, it is faith based on information given for the majority of the populous.

I have seen rocket launches with my own eyes, and have watched through a telescope the continuing on into space, therefore I know that travel into earths orbit is a fact, therefore this is knowledge not faith based on information I am given. If you have not witnessed such a thing, then it is faith based on information you are given and not knowledge.

I hope this helps clear up the difference between knowledge and faith based on information.

[edit on 9/1/2010 by AlienCarnage]

Well, I've met Alexey Leonov once and asked him about extraterrestrials in space and then asked him directly wheter he attended the supposed Apollo 20 mission. Maybe I should have used a different approach, but given the fact I was able to meet with him only for 10 minutes, what other option did I have? He told me (without even letting me finish the questions) that he himself didn't see anything 'out of this world' and that the Apollo 20 mission was in fact in preparations and that he was supposed to attend it, but then it got at last second scrapped from the table. Alexey is a very kind and healthy looking person, but I got the impression he doesn't want to talk much about these things and rather have a calm life instead, which is certainly understandable given how much publicity he got because of being the first man to make a space walk. Later I talked with one of his friends whom I know more personally and he told me that even if Alexey did see and know anything or the Apollo 20 mission had taken place, he wouldn't spill the beans even today, because how much these old heroes were told to keep their mouths shut otherwise they would loose their job and option to go out into space. I guess it resides within some even today. You can't blame those people though - the fact that you had to choose between being quiet for the rest of your life and staying a hero or revealing what you have seen, lose your job and become laughed at, sounds like a bad joke. Sadly even today the situation hasn't changed that much in this regard. Yes, ET's are a serious topic finally, but people won't accept the fact they are here until they literally reveal themselves in the sky and land down. When that goes live on CNN, maybe the alien section on ATS will be closed. But wait, it won't - people will claim the aliens are 'The Last Card' and we will be instead of a mud in a puddle. Thank god all these worries go away in sleep.

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Originally posted by Jesuswasasailor
reply to post by SarK0Y
[ Russian Cosmonauts have said that they have seen "UFO's" I direct you to this thread...www.abovetopsecret.com...]

but no one of'em said

that the government has had contact with them, recovered bodies and technology from crashed UFOs and so on.

[edit on 1-9-2010 by SarK0Y]

Originally posted by Overtime
As far as Gordon Cooper goes Ive read his book and there is no half quotes with missing info. The fact is the first man to orbit the Earth has seen and firmly believes that we are being visited by et craft. Period.


Uh, 'fact is', Cooper was never the first man to orbit the Earth, and anybody claiming he was so, is verifying themselves as reality-challenged.

National Hero and sixth man to walk on the Moon comes clean



Indeed www.youtube.com...=28s

Bob Dean, whom I have tremendous respect for, adds his take on why some of the astronauts act the way they do.

Starts around 3:50

Originally posted by Cybernet
Well, I've met Alexey Leonov once and asked him about extraterrestrials in space and then asked him directly wheter he attended the supposed Apollo 20 mission.

Thanks for sharing the insights.

By the way, how's your Russian?

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Privet Souka

reply to post by Human_Alien


Made it to 5:48 in the video.....enough to know that he (Bob Dean) seems to be a LOON!!!

"Hypnotically conditioned"??? Rubbish!!!

Geeze...please research, for yourselves, just what and WHAT IS NOT effective in 'hypnotism'.

It isn't difficult to do the search, and learn how foolish these claims, BASED on superstition and ignorance, are.

Sorry, but....you simply CANNOT invest all your "beliefs" into one person, (this "Bob Dean"), just because! I mean....people CAN go nuts, and say nutty things...and, do it WHILE they firmly thinkg that what they are saying is 'true"....mental illnesses can fool many of us...it requres a thorough investigation, and study. WORD cannot be taken from just one person....



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