Is the working man a sucker?

To those not born into wealth or those who havent been in the right place at the right time I ask you this: is the working man a sucker? and if so, what are the alternatives to the majority of the population slaving their young lives away making another person rich? When you boil it down, that's really what it comes to.

With the economy the way it is and employement for college graduates decreasing while tuition increases, what can be done for those just coming out of school? A better question would be what could be done for those who decide not to go to school? Military enlistment is getting to the point where you need to be basically an honor student to enlist because there are so many unemployed people rushing to join. Risking your life for your country is no longer even an option.

I see money problems everywhere and it's not just the younger generation. Men and women who have worked their entire lives still cant retire and some are pushing 75+. Is this the way it's supposed to be? Wasnt it just 60 years ago a family could be supported with just the father of the family working?

The way I see it if we didnt hand trillions to banks with "bailouts" and instead handed it to the people so they could go out and actually spend the money to make the economy bounch back we wouldnt have this issue. How is it that Rome was more of a war-like nation than we are (the united states), yet they were rich and were in debt?

Excellent inquiry!

As you note- the system is so screwed, it makes it nearly impossible to suffer.

My father got his ph.d, and advised me when a teen to avoid the bs of edumikation. He ruined me to skewl, but that doesn't mean I haven't been learning every moment!

As I see it, most professions are really 80% hokus pokus. Since educating is for those who can't compete well in the private sector, it amounts to an expensive and grandiose high-school type of click.

If education is able to create demand, and create some obstacle course wherein not 100% will succeed, they've created market demand. By the psychological creation of barriers akin to the cues at the bank, then they're reinforcing the old order.

Question: Does the working man work for money?

If the answer is yes, then certainly- he's a sucker. He is toiling for some valuable he has no value in himself. He is chasing a carrot, and will never find what he's looking for with any ease.

If the answer is no, then this man has learned something about himself. He understands what he wants, and realizes that it *might* be money that can help him achieve his aims.

Does anyone need money to live? Hmmm.... Food, yes. Shelter, yes. Warmth, yes. Friends, yes. Purpose, yes.... but money isn't on that list, is it?!

If every transaction in terms of money is taxed by half (and that can be a CONSERVATIVE estimate in total gross terms), then his toil and the plunder thereof will reinforce the bailouts, the undeclared wars, the growing police state, Rex 84 war modeling, etc. He is not only a sucker- but in some sick double-think type of way he is worse: suicidal.

Now, a man who works to scrap together a chunk of land, sweats over pulling roots, plows, builds, sows and splits... well, he's not a sucker- he is working for himself. He is not only enjoying the entirety of his work, but he is also starving the leeching parasite who wants to devour him.

The system is not designed to facilitate self sufficiency. The bailouts could have spent the grandchildren's lives' earnings with a check to every man woman and child. Instead, they chose those who guard the choke points of "commerce".

As Morpheus said, "The system is our enemy Neo..."

What are the alternatives? I'll tell you when I find them.

You ask alot of questions, and each one could use it's own topic, but basically no one knows the answers right now. At least not us young people.

The few friends of mine that didn't go to college went to a branch of the service. Me being the exception and not attending a school at this point in time- well there really is nothing for me to do. I just exist here working odd jobs and convincing myself that I'll do something EVENTUALLY.

Everything's Eventual. Hopefully.

The working man is not a sucker.The basic facts are someone has to do the work or else society crumbles.Some people have easy well paying jobs ,some people have hard low paying jobs,it's just the way it is.Some people have an easy life ,some people struggle.Luck and personal choices determine what we do.

reply to post by 12voltz


You need to wake up and take the red pill.

Unless of course you enjoy your bondage.

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Can you please explain because i am not sure what you are trying to say

Originally posted by 12voltz
The working man is not a sucker.The basic facts are someone has to do the work or else society crumbles.Some people have easy well paying jobs ,some people have hard low paying jobs,it's just the way it is.Some people have an easy life ,some people struggle.Luck and personal choices determine what we do.

Agreed. Since when was man able just to sit on his backside and get fed, clothed and housed? People have always had to work, either for themselves or others. As for working longer, part of the equation has to be that we are living longer. Another part of the equation is higher expectations generally and consumer greed. People have lost the ability to distinguish between 'I want' and 'I need'.

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Hi I have a poem for you, wich can make things a little more obvious

No. The working man is not sucker, nor was the system designed for some to be rich and some to be poor.

Its called GREED, and the cycle of despair it brings to all.

As much we heap blame upon the corporations, we humans have to take some of the blame as well.

In the beginning, mankind were happy tilling the fields and building castle for a ruling elite in exchange for peace and welfare. But as time progress and the elite's progenies grew, they became more greedy and fed off at the expense of the working man's labour. Peace and welfare was shattered.

A new system went into place. Each work according to his worth and paid according to his labour. For a time it worked, and like all pyramid system, the ones at the top help themselves to profits. Initially, it was kept within rational bounds. They could afford a lifestyle better than the workers.

The workers began to ponder and wanted such lifestyles as well. In order to meet aspirations, lifestyle products were made cheaper - by bulk production, and competition grew.

The elites kept their lifestyles, and instead of paying proportionate wages to workers, they outsource and fled to 3rd world nations to produce even cheaper rubbish goods hankered by the workers.

Unfortunately, this newer system became unstainable as those who could afford even such cheap products were the elite themselves, for the workers became unemployed, and 3rd world nations are lowly paid.

Thus the screw up today. Greed. By both the elites and the workers.

The only solution is to return back to our roots. Not to serfdom, but to rational profits,wages and quality life improvement needed products, and tampered lifestyles.

Why a Ferrari when a Ford will do? Why a Prada when a paper bag will do? Why a latte when a 3in1 satchel coffee will do?Why a diamond ring when a plain gold ring and a sincere heart will do? Why so many rubbish we don't need and yet hanker after?

Not really. Many of us are just more concerned with working hard and improving our lives in our own little bubble. Those of us who do have an interest in politics have differing opinions on what should be done.

It depends what they are working for and if they achieve it
Those born into wealthy family's do not have to work as hard as others
to achieve what they want
The working man works hard yet most of the time achieves what he wants
And those that don't work because they cant be ass'd usually wont achieve as high standard as either of the two before and will be stuck with what they get or conforming to accept what they are given and enjoying it

reply to post by AndrewJay


there will always be a working man, to build the rich mans buildings etc., or when robots do all the "work" the working man will be there to repair it.

This one is difficult to answer but here's my two cents on it.

It really depends on if you enjoy what you're doing and how much control you maintain over your own life while doing it.

If you're slaving away at a job you hate only to give almost half of your paycheck to the federal government then you are indeed a sucker.

If you have to miss out on things you may enjoy in life because this same awful job tells you that you have to be there instead of doing something that you really want to do then you are a sucker.

If you are working a job because you love what you're doing and it makes you happy then you are not a sucker.

If this job also lets you take time off to to do other things that you also enjoy doing whenever you please then you are not a sucker.

It all comes down to how much control you maintain over your own life.

first you need to live moderately, don't go running after the latest I-pod or play station, and then, with a limited amount of needs, you don't need as much money, meaning you don't need to work as much.

The average person works 50-60 hours a week and lives in a 150,000 dollar house. Why not work 25-30 hours a week, or have one parent work 40 hours, and live in a 40,000 dollar house?

Also, it helps to not be drowning in debt.

Ultimately it's someone's choice to work or not. I hated having to work even though I liked some aspects of my job, so I eventually quit. Some people love their job because they love having big screen tv's. Others hate their job but don't have the right plan or courage to quit.

No one's putting a gun to your head, forcing you to go to work. (although debt is indirectly doing that, which is why you should never get into too much debt).

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


If you explain it in laymen language some will perhaps understand it. Example, if you want to build a church, you ask people for donation. Similarly at dawn of civilization people needed to form a Government to manage day to day affairs and they donated the cost to run the business. Eventually the cost is called a Tax. Those taxes were expanded to build roads, schools and other necessities common to all. But those necessities were never meant that a President should have personal Plan and an Army of Security Guards etc. etc. Today the government has abused the system so much that even the mayor of a city lives like a King. The Roads and Utilities that suppose to provide us cheap service has been sold to Private entities dirt cheap (conspiracies). Thus we as working class been over burdened. The City Politicians make decisions in their self best interest. No more do they care about the residents. Look around and you will see fat salaries, benefits and pensions and shrinking services. This is not only on local level but also on State level and Federal level. And when you sum it up, we actually pay 64% of our earnings for their benefits. Soon it will turn to be 99%. And only 1% we will have left for our self. The question is, for how long we have to support these exorbitant taxes. Why can't we just get red of the cities and Government. Or just live in areas where we can produce only for ourselves. Or live in a community where we can help each other. Which brings me to think of the people such as Amish community. Boy they are smart.