Famous atheists last words before dying

Um, the only offered "quote" of someone repudiating anything they did in life on his deathed is Thomas Paine. That's well known to be fake.

My only surprise is that they missed Darwin's faked deathbed confession, equally notorious.

(I love it that the music is controversial. The second half is Orff's O Fortuna from the Carmina Burana. It's a pagan hymn, for crying out loud. Nice beat, though. Here are the lyrics

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Fortuna ought to be capitalized. She's a goddess, and it is her song.)

Jesus did the same as everyone else on the list I guess.

No, he quoted the opening lines of Psalm 22. It's a long poem. He was being suffocated to death at the time. There's even a joke in the Gospel about passerby who didn't catch the reference.

Then I'm just gonna point-whore and ask you why you point-whored by making a post about point-whoring. ??

I'm not sure I'd want to rub elbows with the independent buisness person who'd turn tricks for ATS points.

Originally posted by 547000

Originally posted by Tykonos

He claimed to have been taken to hell and heard thousands of wailing voices which he described as awful and terrible. A white cloud advanced on him then (Ithink god or his guardian angel) protected him and took him to see heaven where he felt utter bliss.

How can anyone feel utter bliss after seeing and hearing thousands of tormented souls just a few seconds before? I'd be still in trauma and wouldn't be able to find bliss in heaven knowing people are tormented for an eternity in such a horrible place. Do you suddenly forget about hell?

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The bliss you feel is pure and utter bliss. Just being around the presence of God makes you blissful. It's not like here on earth where bliss is transient. The light of God is absolute bliss. At least that's what I think based on my experiences.

So you forget your experience of hell instantly you are with god?

You also stop caring about those souls trapped in eternal torment, some of whom you might know, say a brother, sister, mother, father, son or daughter?

Also to feel bliss constantly 24/7 for an eternity will soon stop being blissful as you would have no other emotion to compare it with.

I like tthink that if there is a god, hell would be individual to the persons own making. They are made to feel the emotions of the people they have hurt in life and shown the consequences of their actions. Then when the god knows how sorry they are, that soul is then allowed to pass into heaven, or reborn again. Just my opinion based on nothing, I'm agnostic with an open mind, yet according to some, will burn in hell for it.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by Nephi1337

 

You do realize that all of them lived during times where we didn't have all the scientific knowledge we have today, right?

So those ancient morons built the great pyramid (which we can't even duplicate today) by using their wacky superstition, as opposed to our advanced "science"

Originally posted by Reign02
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No this will not be a "heated thread" And by the way you were the one that started the "heated thread" just because I resorted to cursing after you insulted my intelligence. But anyway that is the past and it's whatever.

And I felt the need to comment on this post because that is the obvious answer. If one is a true atheist then he/she has no real beliefs. You go your whole life telling people you believe in nothing basically and then on your deathbed you have a change of heart? Doesn't make any sense, you know?

And my tactics are to tell the truth and not to spread lies, the internet is already pretty good and getting those around.

well who knows maybe ,they have some sort of awakening you know they say your life will flash befor your eyes befor you die ...

so who knows will never know untill that day

Just goes to illustrate that not being in your right mind is a big help when it comes to believing in God. Whatever it is.

Originally posted by css1981
This is a verry christian propaganda video I must say.....

So acording to the video every atheist is going to hell. Why ? Hell does not excist, so we can't go there if we die....

It's also meaningles to pray to the good old lord, because just like hell, also heaven does not excist.

Well, atleast from an atheist point of view... Afcourse I have respect for every religion there is, saying that as a atheist, why does a christian have such a hard time to respect a atheist ? Isn't respect and love the neighbours something they alway's learn ?

CSS - I am a Christian and I agree with your post. Well, except for the no God and no heaven thing. To anyone with just a little bit of understanding, there is no eternal flaming hell anywhere in the Bible. The words that have been mistranslated into hell are more accurately translated into "grave". Jesus did not go to hell for 3 days, He went to the grave for 3 days. When you see the word "hell" in the Bible, substitute the word "grave" instead and you will have a far more accurate translation on your hands.

Now, where do athiests end up after death? I am neither God nor Christ, so I can't answer that and if I make any judgement whatsoever, I am guilty of the very thing I judge another to be guilty of. Basic Christian principals and beliefs.

You sir are correct - us Christians are commanded to love and respect you regardless of whether your beliefs agree with ours or not. On behalf of my Christian brothers and sisters who have cast judgement upon you or who have been otherwise "un-Christian" in their dealings with you, I offer my sincere and humble apologies.

Originally posted by tallcool1

Originally posted by css1981
This is a verry christian propaganda video I must say.....

So acording to the video every atheist is going to hell. Why ? Hell does not excist, so we can't go there if we die....

It's also meaningles to pray to the good old lord, because just like hell, also heaven does not excist.

Well, atleast from an atheist point of view... Afcourse I have respect for every religion there is, saying that as a atheist, why does a christian have such a hard time to respect a atheist ? Isn't respect and love the neighbours something they alway's learn ?

CSS - I am a Christian and I agree with your post. Well, except for the no God and no heaven thing. To anyone with just a little bit of understanding, there is no eternal flaming hell anywhere in the Bible. The words that have been mistranslated into hell are more accurately translated into "grave". Jesus did not go to hell for 3 days, He went to the grave for 3 days. When you see the word "hell" in the Bible, substitute the word "grave" instead and you will have a far more accurate translation on your hands.

Now, where do athiests end up after death? I am neither God nor Christ, so I can't answer that and if I make any judgement whatsoever, I am guilty of the very thing I judge another to be guilty of. Basic Christian principals and beliefs.

You sir are correct - us Christians are commanded to love and respect you regardless of whether your beliefs agree with ours or not. On behalf of my Christian brothers and sisters who have cast judgement upon you or who have been otherwise "un-Christian" in their dealings with you, I offer my sincere and humble apologies.

thank you for clearfying that ,i did not know that it never said anything about hell in the bible ,if their is a god ,i just cant picture him being that harsh ,and one thing that set me free from from beleving in hell ,was when i had my son .. we are like "god" in a sens ,we have the power to create life we have the power to take life , and knowing this , if i birthed my son and created my son ,brought him on this earth with no understanding of what god is or right and wrong their is no way i could send him to hell for eternity ...the power of love over comes that , so let me ask every one out their who do have kids could you send your kids to hell for eternity ?

this makes me think that our whole understanding of "GOD" is misunderstudd , the only thing i can grasp is the fact that if their is a god ,then that god would be nothing but love

many thanks

Nephi

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because there have been true martyrs who have fearlessly died for God and their Faith. being scared just before dying is one punishment that athiest have to look forward to, where as true believers and people who are in the grace of God feel bliss and tranquility right before they die.

Originally posted by randomname
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because there have been true martyrs who have fearlessly died for God and their Faith. being scared just before dying is one punishment that athiest have to look forward to, where as true believers and people who are in the grace of God feel bliss and tranquility right before they die.

this is very true ,and their is proof ! i will not post the video cause they are graphic ,but if you look up on youtube , chechen mujahidden (not sure about the spelling ) you will see alot of videos reguarding this theory ..and it does seem they are in bliss befor they die

Nephi

People that believe in hell, want other people to believe in hell.

People that are worried about hell, want other people to worry about hell.

Misery loves company...

these are some of the greatest minds in history, questioning and doubting a belief they arrogantly proclaimed and spread to people while they were healthy and felt immortal. people like bill maher come to mind, yet at a moment that they should fear the least, a feeling of dread and hopelessness overcomes them and not at death but of what's to come and a lot of people on this website come here and proclaim things like they have first hand knowledge and know every secret of the universe. people who have accomplished nothing of importance in their lives claim to know more than people who have changed the course of history, who've held the highest position of powers on earth, who dedicated and changed their lives because of first hand revelations from God, who gave up everything including their lives, not even for heaven, even though at the end paradise awaits.

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In fact the belief in a metaphysical soul is a creation of the Middle Ages. The early Christians believed that body and soul are one, which is why so many are buried on the western slopes of Mt. Olive facing the Eastern Gate of the Old City in Jerusalem, as this is where it is believed the Final Judgment will take place. The belief is that when this day comes the dead will literally rise, and by being buried there they will be the first to join the forces of God.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
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In fact the belief in a metaphysical soul is a creation of the Middle Ages. The early Christians believed that body and soul are one, which is why so many are buried on the western slopes of Mt. Olive facing the Eastern Gate of the Old City in Jerusalem, as this is where it is believed the Final Judgment will take place. The belief is that when this day comes the dead will literally rise, and by being buried there they will be the first to join the forces of God.

heh intresting i did not know that ,i notice that other religions the religons focous on the east as well why is this ? muslim ,jewish,mormon (spelling i know )

but why is the east important ?

many thanks


Nephi

Originally posted by Nephi1337
heh intresting i did not know that ,i notice that other religions the religons focous on the east as well why is this ? muslim ,jewish,mormon (spelling i know )

but why is the east important ?

So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. genesis 3:24

Apparently the entrance to the "tree of life" is on the east, according to the bible. interesting observation...

Y'all should explore Near Death Experiences if you're interested in this sort of thing. While one might be wary of a Roman Catholic conversion, I have become slowly aware that the concept of omnipotence does not necessarily pertain to the Bible, and we should be aware that there most likely is a Creator. If you screw up, you'll most likely reincarnate, after a life review, should you fail to meet the requirements or level of awareness necessary to progress in 'Universe-ity'.

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Just for laughs...the big finish...

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LOL George Carlin....seen him 2 times live...great man, funny!
can always use a laugh!

Originally posted by captainbitter
reply to post by Nephi1337

 

Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Jesus did the same as everyone else on the list I guess.

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Jhn 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

Jhn 19:29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put [it] upon hyssop, and put [it] to his mouth.

Jhn 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost

www.blueletterbible.org...

THESE are His actual last words; 'It is finished'. most studies I've seen suggest there was a moment of 'abandonment' (the time when Jesus took o ur sins, and God the Father turned away as He cannot abide sin) which passed.

or there was the elderly Christian brother down in Maryland who said as he passed 'This old time religion was good to live by; it's even better to die by'.

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Bloody well learn how to spell words.

I will NOT read your posts until you do.

Christ, typos are one thing.. Every second word is another.

ATS needs, seriously, a bloody spelling checker test on join.

Else, its I r herr cuz I sawd a UFOs and I wunt to tell use abot it. K?

FLAP OFF.



GRR TYPO

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Originally posted by works4dhs

Originally posted by captainbitter
reply to post by Nephi1337

 

THESE are His actual last words; 'It is finished'. most studies I've seen suggest there was a moment of 'abandonment' (the time when Jesus took o ur sins, and God the Father turned away as He cannot abide sin) which passed.

or there was the elderly Christian brother down in Maryland who said as he passed 'This old time religion was good to live by; it's even better to die by'.

You can say those may have been his last words, but to state they were dictates you know for sure, without a doubt.

We all know how witnesses of the same event will only minutes later recall a different senario, or how things can get misrepresented through translation, or edited to enhance some politial agenda.

My BIG BEEF with al this religious docterine is no-one know wether it's authentic. They can only sway their faith into believing that it is the true word because that is what they have been told.

If there is a god, it isn't stupid and certainly wouldn't accept blind faith as truth. Nor would he/she/it be proud of us for doing the same.