Official: 72 found dead in Mexico may be migrants

72 illegal immigrants found dead in Mexico

www.chron.com

A survivor has told police that 72 people found dead at a ranch near the Mexican border with Texas were migrants kidnapped by an armed group, a federal official said Wednesday. The newspaper Reforma, citing a police report, reported that that the migrants had refused to pay extortion fees demanded by the armed group.

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Just to clarify: the people murdered were not Mexicans. They came from Central and South America and entered Mexico illegaly, on their way to the US.

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This is despicable. The violence in Mexico is just a downward spiral that seems to have no end in sight.

Frequently, the bands of drug dealers and kidnappers are helped by the police to gather their targets and extort money from them.

I can't help but think the international outcry we would hear if 72 Mexican immigrants were found shot in the Arizona desert; yet, it appears that -because this happened in Mexico- no one seems to be paying much attention.

THIS IS TANTAMOUNT TO GENOCIDE, PEOPLE!!

This needs to be widely known and aired, so that Mexican authorities are held accountable for not doing enough to practice what they preach: respect for illegal immigrants in search of a better life.

www.chron.com
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reply to post by RadioKnecht


"72 illegal immigrants found dead in Mexico"

the title and some information in that source confused me.

if they were in Mexico, and they were Mexicans, then how are they illegal immigrants?

reply to post by Esoteric Teacher


They were not Mexicans, they came mostly -as the link says- from Central and South America. The survivor was Ecuadorean. They entered illegaly to Mexico, on their way to the US.

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The situation is way out of control. It's a war zone.
72 is a very interesting number, though...

reply to post by Esoteric Teacher




I know.....

I didn't understand that either.

Doesn't make too much sense but oh well.


ETA: Ok they were illegals in Mexico from central America.

Got it.


Mexico has a long history of killing illegals from central America in their country. Hmmmm I wonder, maybe others should use them as an example of how to handle illegals?????

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reply to post by CodyOutlaw


Yes I was thinking the same exact thing.

72 people sort of sounds like a ritual murder to me.

72 fallen angels?

I think I have been spending to much time on ATS, might be time for a sabbatical leave

~meathead

Originally posted by CodyOutlaw
The situation is way out of control. It's a war zone.
72 is a very interesting number, though...

Yep, it's pretty much no man's land.

Mexico is fast becoming a failed state, such as Afganistan or Somalia. Mexicans are pretty much in a state of helplessness, protecting themselves anyway they can from both the drug cartels and the police who is the most corrupt institution in the world.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by Esoteric Teacher

 

Mexico has a long history of killing illegals from central America in their country. Hmmmm I wonder, maybe others should use them as an example of how to handle illegals?????

[edit on 25-8-2010 by SLAYER69]

Are you serious?? Immigrants next to refugees are amongst the most vulnerable people on this earth. Far away from the place they call home and everything they consider familiar, not speaking the language and subject to the scorn of the locals, facing dangers, hunger and death in their way.

I believe these are the very people that should be protected the most. They are not leaving their home because they want to! They're doing it because they have no other option, but to stay home and either starve or die.

At least, be humane.

Bad deal. The problem is that they come because the government not only allows it but encourages it.

Won't be long before some screaming meemie calls for the government to give airline vouchers so illegals can get to the states safer.

Originally posted by RadioKnecht
reply to post by Esoteric Teacher

 

They were not Mexicans, they came mostly -as the link says- from Central and South America. The survivor was Ecuadorean. They entered illegaly to Mexico, on their way to the US.

Thanks for clarifying that for me, i missed that. I re-read the article again and found where it says that. It seems it was a claim by the only remaining survivor, but the authorities could not verify that yet. But, what reason would this individual have to lie about such a thing, i wonder?

Reforma said the survivor was from Ecuador. The federal officials could not immediately confirm those details.

So they were victims of the Zetas (gang) and were illegal immigrants in Mexico, not illegal immigrants in America. Not that it matters, no life loss this way is a good way in my opinion. I just got confused about the terminology and perspective of the story.

thanks for clarifying that for me,
ET

Originally posted by Mike Stivic
reply to post by CodyOutlaw

 

Yes I was thinking the same exact thing.

72 people sort of sounds like a ritual murder to me.

72 fallen angels?

I think I have been spending to much time on ATS, might be time for a sabbatical leave

~meathead

I can't help thinking that way!
I wish I could remember the name of the case, but there was another ritual murder along the border a while back.

but we should be worried about some ragged tribesman half a world away..
WHAT BETTER PLACE TO FIGHT TERRORISTS THAN MEXICO?
where are the troops and helicopters and warships? costa rica..
un-flippin believable. WE ARE EVERYWHERE BUT WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
and all fueled by marijuana and hemp laws from 1930s ,where
we learned prohibition just fuels criminal enterprises.
phony wars on terror- phony wars on drugs.
but its the little guy who suffers.

Originally posted by RadioKnecht
Are you serious??

Here's a great resource. Link
Many details. I hope it helps.

I believe these are the very people that should be protected the most. They are not leaving their home because they want to! They're doing it because they have no other option, but to stay home and either starve or die.

Originally posted by badgerprints
Won't be long before some screaming meemie calls for the government to give airline vouchers so illegals can get to the states safer.

72 is a huge number to execute, the sheer scale of such a killing is beyond belief.

Mexico has degenerated into anarchy, those of us living near the border know that fact only too well. Pity our government isn't too concerned.

Perhaps when 72 of us are massacred they'll raise a curious eyebrow..........

Drug hitmen dump 72 bodies at Mexican ranch

The discovery in Tamaulipas is the largest single find in Mexico's 3-1/2 year assault on cartels, following the discovery of 55 bodies in western Guerrero state in May and 51 bodies on the outskirts of Monterrey near Texas in July.

More than 28,000 people in Mexico have died in drug violence since Calderon launched his drug fight in late 2006, fueling worries that violence could begin to take a major toll on Mexicans unrelated to the drug trade and even undermine a slow recovery in Latin America's second largest economy.

28,000 people in four years. That is staggering. Americans can't blame this on the Mexican government and their lack of ability to curb this violence. Americans, if they're sincerely concerned, should only blame themselves and their demand for drugs that comes out of Mexico.

I'll bet if the United States started rounding up all drug addicts and putting them in a place where drugs can't be bought, this would really anger the cartel.

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
reply to post by RadioKnecht

 

"72 illegal immigrants found dead in Mexico"

the title and some information in that source confused me.

if they were in Mexico, and they were Mexicans, then how are they illegal immigrants?

When the CT part of me read the thread title, I wondered if these 72 people weren't on their way to a mosque in NYC, but then someone found out they weren't virgins ...

Originally posted by p51mustang
but we should be worried about some ragged tribesman half a world away..
and all fueled by marijuana and hemp laws from 1930s ,where
we learned prohibition just fuels criminal enterprises.
phony wars on terror- phony wars on drugs.
but its the little guy who suffers.

Exactly!!

I think the issue is quite simple: if you want drugs, you'll get them, regardless of them being legalized or not. All you need to do is go to a street corner in the correct neighborhood.

All that prohibition does is create mafias and blackmarkets. This follows a very simple economics principle: when there is a demand, there will ALWAYS be a supply.

Therefore if -for arguments sake- the government legalizes drugs (and for instance, claims "monopoly" on their sale, so that only authorized outlets are allowed), paired with a strong "don't do drugs" campaign; in a brushstroke you've eliminated the black market, the mafias, the violence and created a big source of income and revenue (which, for instance, can be destined to rehab, or social security, or whatever).

The question then would be why isn't this being considered in the higher spheres of government? The answer is plain and simple: follow the money. Someone in the high echelons is profiting BIG TIME from this 40 billion dollars a year market.

Yet just one more example why we should be sutting down on illegal immigration. If we were sending folks back home (alive), not allowing them to stay here, not as many people would put themselves in a situation to where they are at danger from coyotes.

--airspoon

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For sure, but the economic consequences to shutting down the border to illegal immigration would be huge. It is safe to say that a big reason the American economy is still competitive in world markets, is due to the [very] cheap paid labor of illegal immigrants.

Just imagine how prices would sky rocket if you were to pay 10 dollars an hour to orange pickers in Florida.