Chinese UFO 'disclosure' (with original source)

reply to post by ArMaP


To quote that link ArMaP:

"UFO what, do not necessarily need a standard answer, that there are very many answers." The key is needed to explore various scientific means, come to a conclusion the facts and the scientific basis needed, can also be questioned, but in the end remains to be practical to test.

I realise it's a bit of a shakey translation but I'm fairly certain that he's saying a sceptical mind which applies scientific reason to an unknown phenomenon is the key to understanding the many various aspects of what UFOs are.

As oppose to misrepresent what I say and then use it as fact for your own predetermined conclusions.

Nice find indeed!

Starred

-m0r

reply to post by m0r1arty


I'm getting that as well with what little I can find about him.

It seems the exo-politics and ANW spin has almost buried the real information available.

Cheers for the other links too!



[edit on 25/8/10 by Chadwickus]

Thanks for posting this, I've been anxious from yesterday because I found the People's Dialy source after 2 minutes and searching and the original thread was closed due ,,lack of sources" AND I couldn't post new topic because my post count was below 20, so I was like ,,cmon somebody post this"

Gotta love over-active resident debunkers spamming it already haha
Don't have time to read it now altho I bet it just standard smear and character attacks on this astronomer, this dude is crazy, insignificant or something, doesn't matter, nothing to see here, move along kinda staff.


Fact is, if this newspaper is really supervised by Chinese government this article is kind of big deal .

Would China really allow one of their officials ( that observatory is government owned no doubt) to basically say ,, we have ET visitation going on " if they didn't have tome kind of agenda behind it ?

Even if the governemt thinks this guy is full of it and there is nothing to it ... would they allow him to just write his dellusions in their international newspaper because they are so nice ??? Doesn't make sense .

Looks like soft disclosure by proxy, testing the waters, conditioning or w/e you wanna call it . ( I feel dirty every time I write "disclosure" )
Bye


Ps. Maybe...not- "congratulations" on 7 posts on one page, thats the biggest number I've seen on a forum, ever. My humble suggestion : less coffe and learn what the edit function is all about

Originally posted by Alpha_Blue
Gotta love over-active resident debunkers spamming it already haha

Don't have time to read it now altho I bet it just standard smear and character attacks on this astronomer, this dude is crazy, insignificant or something, doesn't matter, nothing to see here, move along kinda staff.

Seriously can I have you represent all of the believers in the world?

Or make you my mascot for ignorance?

Please, when you have time, read what we've actually done in this thread.

We are trying to help understand the 'unknown' part of this field through 'finding out' and not just taking other people's claims as fact.

There are screeds of threads available for attacking sceptics/debunkers/critical thinkers available here please use them to further your argument.

I'd like to keep this one about the topic of Wang and his recent newspaper article about UFOs.

Thanks!

-m0r

CW- Great thread, making this article discussion-worthy without the ANW interference. It seems that the purpose of his statements had more to do with his disagreement with The Hawk's take on ET agenda, less to do with what he has seen and can prove. The article says he "believes" in ET and visitation, not that he has proven it. Seems the author trying to spice up an otherwise not really exciting article.

Hardly disclosure, I concur.

MMN-

Maybe Purple Mountains Observ. took down his contact info or he asked them to after ANW blasted this poor chap into Heresay Town.

I know I would've.




[edit on 25-8-2010 by Cole DeSteele]

Originally posted by Alpha_Blue
Fact is, if this newspaper is really supervised by Chinese government this article is kind of big deal .

Would China really allow one of their officials ( that observatory is government owned no doubt) to basically say ,, we have ET visitation going on " if they didn't have tome kind of agenda behind it ?

Even if the governemt thinks this guy is full of it and there is nothing to it ... would they allow him to just write his dellusions in their international newspaper because they are so nice ??? Doesn't make sense .

Looks like soft disclosure by proxy, testing the waters, conditioning or w/e you wanna call it . ( I feel dirty every time I write "disclosure"

)
Bye

You may be onto something there, dude. Could be the Chinese are taking a page out of our history, circa '47, and letting UFOs take the blame for gov't weapon/ missile projects...secret satellites, etc?

Food for thought.

CDS

Originally posted by m0r1arty

Originally posted by Alpha_Blue
Gotta love over-active resident debunkers spamming it already haha

Don't have time to read it now altho I bet it just standard smear and character attacks on this astronomer, this dude is crazy, insignificant or something, doesn't matter, nothing to see here, move along kinda staff.

Seriously can I have you represent all of the believers in the world?

Or make you my mascot for ignorance?

Please, when you have time, read what we've actually done in this thread.

We are trying to help understand the 'unknown' part of this field through 'finding out' and not just taking other people's claims as fact.

There are screeds of threads available for attacking sceptics/debunkers/critical thinkers available here please use them to further your argument.

I'd like to keep this one about the topic of Wang and his recent newspaper article about UFOs.

Thanks!

-m0r

You seem angry with me, I dont understand why . Was I right in my assumptions maybe ? Your anger and nastyness would suggest so .

Maybe you should get over you knee jerk reaction - I didnt say you or anyone else is wrong without reading it ... so whats your problem actually ? I willingfully admitted I didn't read it yet, and just assume it will be "the usual" until I get into it later . And I still think the same, again whats my "crime" here ?

I think the ,,believers" you hate so much make bold, definitive statemens without reading the info,
I didn't make a statement, I made an assumption based on my previous experience on ATS, and If I was wrong I will change my mind, simple as that .

Get it ?

I hope you understand a difference between statement and an assumption .
And I'm not a "believer", thanks .

As for your mocking with the mascot and stuff, please be my guest . I know it's hard to imagine but my self esteem doesn't come from being a persona on a internet forum
Just make the mascot blue

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@Cole DeSteele

Thanks for actually reading my whole post

My whole point isn't who this astronomer is, or even if he is right about aliens visiting or not ( altho that is interesting too obviously)- but the fact that this article claiming the ET is visiting is on People's Dialy - an newspaper supervised by China government ... supposedly every article has to get a stamp of aproval before publishing ...

they don't deny the claims, why ?

Simple logic .

Originally posted by Alpha_Blue
You seem angry with me, I don't understand why .

I'm not so don't worry about it. I just find it funny that you'd ridicule what is obviously a serious investigation into the background of the cited source by default.

Originally posted by Alpha_Blue
I hope you understand a difference between statement and an assumption .

A stated assumption is a statement.

No difference in this case.

Now would you care to take not use quotation marks were they are not due and actually read the thread and then give your thoughts.

As for your stated position with believing or not - I would rather have you admit to being a believer than not. You put those in-between into a really bad light if you affiliate yourself with them as you have made assumptions without actually educating yourself with the available data in the thread in which you posted.

-m0r

After reading the first page . There was no hardcore debunking I assumed there would be, so I was wrong about my assumption . Prejudice got the best of me or maybe this isn't as easy to debunk and smear

As for my opinion about the issue itself nothing has changed, I still think it's a big deal, that there is article in People's Dialy, with title "Academician: Aliens exist, but also have weaknesses", this is not just some blog of joe blow "UFO enthusiast" ... but I already stated earlier why I think this is significant in my eyes . I mean China allowing an article titled like this ...

en.wikipedia.org...


and now to the ,,optional reading" part of my post ...

Originally posted by m0r1arty

Originally posted by Alpha_Blue
You seem angry with me, I don't understand why .

I'm not so don't worry about it.

I don't . I couldn't care less that your angry about me, I just wanted to expose how knee-jerk and unneccesary was your post directed at me .

Originally posted by m0r1artyI just find it funny that you'd ridicule what is obviously a serious investigation into the background of the cited source by default.

I didn't riducule anything yet ... I made an assumption that first page is probably full of debunking, if it will be worth ridiculing I will ridicule it, so far I havent done it . There was only one act of ridicule so far, you ridiculing me

Originally posted by Alpha_Blue
I hope you understand a difference between statement and an assumption .

Originally posted by m0r1arty

A stated assumption is a statement.

No difference in this case.

What ... So ,,grass is probably green" is the same as " grass is green" , statement is well .. stating something as fact, assuming is guessing ...

Originally posted by m0r1artyAs for your stated position with believing or not - I would rather have you admit to being a believer than not. You put those in-between into a really bad light if you affiliate yourself with them as you have made assumptions without actually educating yourself with the available data in the thread in which you posted.

-m0r

I'm sory I won't do things like you want me to do, you don't have any power over me and I dont want to make it easier for you - putting me in some box and labeling it, ,,believer" in this case .

I don't put anyone in bad light, I alone am responsible for my actions, if anyone feels bad because of what I do then it is his problem . If you live your life pleasing people you affiliate then ok, but that your ,,style" and life not mine .

Lastly I don't even know ( and you probably don't know yourself ) what is your problem with me at this point ? The part where I said that first page is probably full of smear about Wang and trying to discredit him ? Or something else I said ?

Wait, you didn't adres any on the parts of my posts when i actually wrote about Wang, China governmet and article, you just jumped on the most nasty part of my post

Originally posted by Cole DeSteele

MMN-

Maybe Purple Mountains Observ. took down his contact info or he asked them to after ANW blasted this poor chap into Heresay Town.

I know I would've.

Cole DeSteele.....

That sounds possible.

It could also be they are getting swamped by the "rabid believer" crowd.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

reply to post by Alpha_Blue

but the fact that this article claiming the ET is visiting is on People's Dialy - an newspaper supervised by China government ... supposedly every article has to get a stamp of aproval before publishing ...

they don't deny the claims, why ?

Simple logic .

You would have a point if this was the only article written about UFO's in this newspaper, but it's not.

There are quite a few:

British X-Files describe secret UFO encounters

Three suns in the sky or UFOs?

Witnessing UFOs: posters of movie "Battle: Los Angeles"

8 UFO sightings occur in China with a month

Wuhan citizen discovers record of UFO in 63-year-old paper

UFO remains a mystery

Ten countries most often visited by extraterrestrials

UK cop cops UFO award

British fighter jets chasing UFO?

And so on...



[edit on 25/8/10 by Chadwickus]

* These UFOs are probes manned by robots.
* These craft travel at eighty percent the speed of light.

For those that don't know, that's 148,800 miles per second.

Can anyone see a physical craft moving at that speed? I can't. In a vacuum, maybe. But in an atmosphere? No way. What the hell is it made of, to resist the outside forces at such a velocity? No substance I can think of would remain intact.

Also, there is another physical problem. The faster you go, the more time slows. At 148,000 miles per second (that's roughly six times around the Earth every second) what will be a very short time for them will be decades (if not hundreds of years) for us. How does that work? How can they observe us in any meaningful way if they are seeing us advance by decades every blink of the ET eye?

Chadwikus'

How could The People's Daily article be my source if that article was written after I wrote mine?

Funny how the story gets more and more similiar to what I wrote in the first place as more is discovered about it.

Again no gratitude whatsoever for the fact that had I not broken the story you would never had heard about it, guaranteed. The People's Daily article would have never been picked up as they don't do SEO well.

ANW does not hoax any stories, as those with an analytical mind will gather from this thread

Obviously this post will soon be deleted as I have no right to defend myself and my site can be lied about and trashed without giving the me right of reply

Kind Regards
Mike Cohen


[edit on 25-8-2010 by tellinthetruthalways]

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tellinthetruthalways.....

G'day Michael you appalling old thing you!

Fair dinkum you made up some crud about all that!

Cheers
Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
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tellinthetruthalways.....

G'day Michael you appalling old thing you!

Fair dinkum you made up some crud about all that!

Cheers
Maybe...maybe not

Did I really make it up?

Seriously

The key point that the observatory has seen many UFOs of assumed ET origin between about 15O to 1500 meters was said

the anti-gravity comment-confirmed

Remember Purple Mount is one of China's main obsevatories

Imagine if an astronomer at the AAO said that they observe UFOs regularly and he thinks they are alien, in official capacity-bit of a big deal wouldnt you think?
Well this is from a country fifty times the size

[edit on 25-8-2010 by tellinthetruthalways]

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Mike, Mike, Mike.....

So..... you don't think you stretched the truth just a tiny teensy weensy little bit?

Cheers
Maybe...maybe not

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Obviously I tend to skewer things towards a 'believers' perspective.

Here is another 'believers' article who seems to have got hold of the same sources as me, how different is it?

www.ufodigest.com...

Originally posted by tellinthetruthalways
reply to post by Maybe...maybe not

 

Obviously I tend to skewer things towards a 'believers' perspective.
Here is another 'believers' article who seems to have got hold of the same sources as me, how different is it?
www.ufodigest.com...

Mike, Mike, Mike.....

They're hardly fussy on there!



Cheers
Maybe...maybe not

[edit on 25-8-2010 by Maybe...maybe not]

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Don't worry, my posts here will be removed by 'greeneyedleo' soon, you won't be bothered by any UFO events outside of the US and you will continue to live in your censored little world.

If that is what you want.

Originally posted by tellinthetruthalways
reply to post by Maybe...maybe not

 

Don't worry, my posts here will be removed by 'greeneyedleo' soon, you won't be bothered by any UFO events outside of the US and you will continue to live in your censored little world.

If that is what you want.

Mike.....

You just shouldn't promote that awful stuff on your website.

Why can't you promote decent stuff that would help us all gain a better understanding of this vexed topic?

I actually do know the answer.....

And so do you.....

Cheers
Maybe...maybe not