People of the UK are being screwed...

People of the UK are being screwed...

www.bbc.co.uk...

and NOBODY is doing a damn thing about it. It is completely disgusting that the bankers who caused this mess in the first place are barely touched yet sick, disabled and poor people are paying the price for it. But really, who actually cares?

Everyone knew that the poorest would be hit, everyone knew the disgusting corrupt sub-human scum running our country would kick the vulnerable while they were down in order to sort out this financial mess created by rich people.

So when are the people of the UK in a position to be able to stop this going to? When will there be a REAL revolution against this rotten corrupt system that is clearly destroying this nations soul happen?

When will we be parading the streets with the heads of George Osborne, David Cameron, Nick Clegg etc on sticks, people who only want power and will do anything to hold onto it including betraying their principals (if they ever actually had any)

Or is the UK really full of selfish, greedy, ignorant idiots who dont give a # about anyone outside of, or even inside, their own immediate family?

There is something inherently wrong with our society when neighbours and family do not give a # about you. Yes I know there are good people out there but you have to search hard for them. Then when you do find people they are usually in PAID employment for a charity.

Most people just do not give a crap about anyone worse off than themselves unless they can perrsonally benefit from it. They will actively avoid and ignore people calling out for help - public and professional alike.

British people make me sick. You should be ashamed of yourselves, if you are capable of shame that is. As long as YOU are benefitting by the corrupt system, to hell with anyone else.

I will forever be ashamed of being born in this cess pit. (Cue the typical british responses who attack me for hitting a nerve rather than accepting I have a point).

The problem is that politicians have to enact policy in the real world instead of coming up with some abstract of the perfect solution. Every decision requires a compromise and the final choice is usually the lesser of two evils. It may seem obvious to just tax the banks and bankers but this comes with problems, namely they can afford to pick up their ball and go home (or a tax haven).

Take capital gains tax as an example; it is again an obvious solution to just increase this as it mainly hits the very rich so it follows that an increase in this tax would generate lots of revenue at little social cost. However this isn’t what happens; a major study of capital gains tax in the US found that as rates were increased income actually went down. What happened of course was that people just kept hold of their assets instead of cashing them in; when rates were reduced this provided an incentive to sell and so revenue went up dramatically. This is counter intuitive and generally attracts the wrath of the left wing which sees such tax breaks as obscene so it is politically difficult to actually do it.

Any budget done in such times will inevitably hit the poor in some way especially when the most expensive item is benefits which tend to be clustered around the poorer income brackets.

I’m not saying that this budget couldn’t be more progressive or that it is not actually regressive; only that this “blah blah blah evil bankers, blah blah blah politician scum” isn’t completely in touch with the practicalities of the real world.


Oh and what have you done to help?

I had such a long speech made up in my reply but ATS buggered it and lost it, ffs...and it was really good as well

here we go again

Anyway fair play to you for posting the BBC webpage , I do agree that people can't be bothered to help each other, UK people are very nearly programmed by the MSM and music industry, as well as TV and film to not care about anyone else, social programming at its best, they don't care about anyone these days , not even family all they care about is money, money MONEY.
But whats the point you can't take it with you when you die can you?
Most people are also looking out for someone to do the work for them, they have had the easy life for so long they have forgotten the struggle, they have become sheep and in my English eyes I treat them as such, ignorant, blind , wanting to be led , following the herd instead of moving out of the ratrace.
We all want a hero to come along and rescue us from the evil that is Government especially when that Government is corrupt and getting worse. but there are no hero's there is no one willing to take one for the team and actually do something, we all need V but that is a fictional character.

So OP, what are YOU doing about it? , other than posting here, I didn't mean that to sound nasty or like I'm bashing or blaming you, are you actively protesting and making yourself a nuisance in the G-Mans eyes? silently hoping or a hero to come along and save you? or silently preparing for when the poop hits the fan and making plans to look after the ones that really matter to you when the revolution comes , and come it will maybe sooner than most people are planning for.

3 times its done it now, grrrrrr. ( thankful for copy and paste)...

reply to post by DataWraith

I do agree that people can't be bothered to help each other, UK people are very nearly programmed by the MSM and music industry, as well as TV and film to not care about anyone else

That’s just not true, look at charitable donations, for example the UK (people) has given by far the most towards the Pakistan flood victims, I think it was the same after the tsunami. We are a very charitable and caring nation.

There are cases of people not actually stepping in to help people when something happens in person but this is usually because of legal, social or psychological barriers not because of a lack of caring thought.

The problem is that any decent person who cares is loath to stoop as low as the globalist who loves operating in the dirtball wavelength..which gives them a distinct advantage,

Like the way the Rotschilds lied about Napoleon winning at Waterloo...after the English put it on the line to defeat him, and then bought up England for pennies on the pound...I wonder who funded the Corsican midget in the first place...naaaah, I don't wonder,
I already know.

The EU has been a stealth plan for ovr 50 years...no one would put out that kind of effort if they thought it was going to be democratically foiled.

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[edit on 25-8-2010 by Danbones]

Its a lot easier for the new coalition to target the poorer and disenfranchised in society. What they going to do about it? This is a good thing, we are making it easier for people with money to avoid paying tax on it, while coming down hardest on those who have very little money. This is how the Conservatives work, it should be no surprise. This is what we want. The natural order has been restored where we are now led by those who were born to lead. Make sure you doff you cap to the wealthy in your community, maybe one day they will let you shine their shoes.

Dont worry I am not doing nothing. I could probably do more, but to be perfectly honest I just do not see the point. The media work for themselves. Emails to MP's are most likely filtered due to the volume they receive, and only selected ones make it to their intended target. I am opposed to any form of violence, and democracy is a scam. Peaceful protests are treated as an annoyance and ignored and are often infiltrated by agents or just idiots out to cause trouble.

So what else is really left?

Apart from people waking the hell up and starting to think for themselves again - there is nothing. Because until enough people wake up and want to change, change is impossible and the people who are still asleep and dependant upon the way things are now will fight to maintain it.

Nobody wants to take a small drop in their quality of lifestyle to ensure equality and fairness - not just in this country but worldwide.

At the end of the day its a mess of our own making and we deserve what we are getting I suppose. Yes people were tricked into it, its a huge banking scam, but they still need to take responsiblity. (I was actually completely debt free until this year when I got hit by the mess so I can say I did not contribute towards the mess.)

Its just a shame that those who do not deserve it are those who are suffering the most. It is for these people that we need to fight for yet if the system is completely corrupt and they wont be budged with reason - what can we actually do? Resort to more violent methods? Start blowing up buildings so they are forced to listen? There is no way in hell I would ever go down such a path because that will make me as bad as them. I do not want to spread even more fear and destruction and innocent people ALWAYS get caught up.

No matter how loud you shout, no matter how coherant and well researched you argument, the government simply WILL NOT LISTEN unless they can personally benefit from it.

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People of the UK are being screwed...

You only just noticed?

2nd

I've decided that it is my duty and responsibility as someone with a disability to join any protest against any cuts affecting the disabled or the health service. Instead of moaning on message boards I will join protests and make my voice heard. Will it make a difference? Probably not, but at least I will feel I am doing my bit and that's all you can do.

reply to post by EnactedEgoTrip

Or is the UK really full of selfish, greedy, ignorant idiots who dont give a # about anyone outside of, or even inside, their own immediate family?

Well, erm ah, YES it seems to be that way. Perhaps we could take some consolation in the thought that it could be due to the process of evolution by natural selection ?

The rich and powerful are not posting here like you or I which perhaps tells us that we are not doing that well out of the process of winners and losers.

Let's look at the bright side, we're living and able to read and write and are here, we're surviving we're not one of those kids that we allowed to get bombed the crap out of in Afghanistan our genes got this far.

There is something inherently wrong with our society when neighbours and family do not give a # about you. Yes I know there are good people out there but you have to search hard for them. Then when you do find people they are usually in PAID employment for a charity.

Is it wrong ? Is it really ?

You and I didn't ask to be born did we ? But here we are nevertheless both knowing there's something fundamentally not quite right with the world we live in scratching out a life in it.

If we look upon any other species on this planet, well their just trying to get along trying to survive adapting or dying how different are we ?

Trouble is with the natural world, organisms spend a great deal of time and energy becoming magnificent artists and experts in their own field only to be eaten by something else doing the same thing.

We, the big bald monkeys perhaps need to grow up a little and accept the fact sometimes we may have to eat our own kind (figuratively speaking) in order to get through another season . Spiders weave some beautiful webs only to have a hungry bird gobble it up before the web get's use. There again the web serves one purpose as we know so let's not get all tearful over the eight legged Davincis' demise.

I don't know what the answers are mate I really don't, but you at least have got the wherewithal to post here. This would imply that should you be fortunate enough maneuver yourself into a position of authority or control the ignorant idiots may well be useful to you in providing you and your with the next meal.


The most powerful (and perhaps richest) nation on this planet the USA obtained its' exalted status by these very principles, it enslaved the weaker species on the planet to enrich itself.

When there are too many little idiotic selfish slaves running amok on the planet , then it's time for a cull the easiest way of course is to turn them against themselves and continue to use the remnant .

One thing the big bald monkey has become a master at over the eons of time is farming, whether it be sheep or sheeple.









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reply to post by EnactedEgoTrip

I'd like to make a suggestion that is kinda gaining momentum over here.

They want you to rise up and get violent.

That makes it easy to collect you and tag you, and imprison you.

You are forever on their lists.

What some are doing over here across the pond is with drawing
from the system.

An example of it...

A co-op for car repair, or house repair, or lawn care.

A food co-op that is a non-profit or not-for-profit charity.

The group grows veggies and raises livestock just for
local food use.

Ppl who worked hard and made big bucks with their ranches
and farms scale down their operations to just make
enough to cover their costs.

Families that have two full time working parents move to one
working parent, or both moving to just part time.

Withdrawing monetary support, and lowering the tax inflow.

Buy as little new goods as you can, shift to freecycle and craigslist.

This of course is making the coming depression worse, but once
it declines for more ppl the sooner they will start looking for answers
and we can point them in that direction.

The term for this technique is starve the beast.

Rural swap meets, flea markets, and farmers markets are on the rise.

Due to the things being found in the food that are bad, the farmers
markets have even made it to the larger cities.

There is more to this, but dig around and you will find it all.

Leave the cities and let them collapse.

The rural taxes are lower.

Use as little fuel as possible, ride a bike, walk, don't ride trains,
make an E-bike that goes 75 mph.



There are other things you can do, you just have to think about it.

They want to kick the ppl in the crotch, well hit what they TRULY love.

Their wallets.

[edit on 25-8-2010 by Ex_MislTech]

When I loaded BBC News up this morning, the first thing I saw was this and I then immediately thought...

"Hmmmmm BBC is still a pro Labour Outlet?!!?!"

This stupid study goes a long way to show that there are way too many people claiming benefit that are basically taking the P**S.

I go out to work full time, my partner goes out to work at the weekends while I look after the kids, we don't complain.... We own our own home, and we pay our dues, we have less than £1500 debt on credit cards.

Why the hell should we work hard to get what we have, when we have people getting paid by the state to sit on their arses smoking dope and watching films????

The policies hurt the poor the study says???

The question is why are they poor?? On the most part it's because they refuse to go out and work their way up the employment ladder!!!

Booting them off welfare may hurt them, but so bloody what?? It's about time they felt some discomfort is what I say!!!

Korg.


[edit on 25-8-2010 by Korg Trinity]

reply to post by Korg Trinity


Not everyone on Welfare is a free loading scum bag, no matter how the right wing media likes to paint it. There are many people that rely on their meagre benefits to survive. Many who rely on carers and their carers allowance. A lot of people who need help are going to suffer with these measures. We will see a rise in the homeless and many ill and disabled people left to fend for themselves.

We were told by the Government that the austerity measures would be shared equally throughout the society. Why then are poorer families and communities being asked to shoulder more of the burden?

It's funny how you accuse the BBC of being pro Labour, when the attitude you display comes straight from the Daily Mail or the Sun.

Oh for Pete's sake (whoever Pete is ?)

What I see here straight away is Red, Lefties on one side and Blue (& a bit yellow) riches on the other side hurling long held political views and beliefs at each other...

When will YOU lot learn, Party Politics is a self perpetuating load of BS and the sooner we all step back from it and erase our STUPID old fashioned beliefs then the sooner we can move on..

I come from a Conservative upbringing but that does Not mean I believe only that ideology. I have realized that to get anywhere in life you need to listen twice as much as you speak and learn the 'art' of compromise and negotiation.

I favour working hard and getting the rewards that brings BUT i do now have a strong belief in society helping those who are dis-avantaged in some way.... The question is how do you discern those people fairly ??

I think the report is bias but I do also think that some in society have still taken the rest for a ride and I do believe the Banking sector and others including Celebrity still seem to take the Piss out of us, Unabated....

I read a list recently about 'supposed stars' appearance fees and I just thought , whose at fault here... WE ARE for apparently demanding them !!!!

If we want a fairer society then we need to act to reduce all the Surplus crappy distractions like 'Heat magazine, Big brother and others et al' and start looking at things properly.... oh and let's 'PARK' our political beliefs as they are redundant if we really want proper change....

Regards

PurpleDOG UK


[edit on 25-8-2010 by PurpleDog UK]

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Maybe they should not have let the progressives do what they want. You reap what you sow.



I wonder what other countries in history have also taken away people's rights to defend themselves? It would be a good subject for every British subjects to look at.

[edit on 25-8-2010 by Subjective Truth]

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by Korg Trinity

 

Not everyone on Welfare is a free loading scum bag, no matter how the right wing media likes to paint it. There are many people that rely on their meagre benefits to survive. Many who rely on carers and their carers allowance. A lot of people who need help are going to suffer with these measures. We will see a rise in the homeless and many ill and disabled people left to fend for themselves.

If they are genuinely on incapacity or a carers allowance then they have nothing to worry about. In fact it's the people that genuinely are in need that will benefit from this. You see there is a pot of money that is currently being shared with freeloaders... Shake the freeloaders out of the system and the people with a genuine need will find their benefits will increase!!!

We were told by the Government that the austerity measures would be shared equally throughout the society. Why then are poorer families and communities being asked to shoulder more of the burden?

So you think that it's an even system when I pay thousands of pounds in tax each year because I go out and work, while the massive amount of freeloaders get paid from my money to do nothing!!!

And saying there aren't any jobs is a total excuse. I have worked hard to gain the skills and experience to be in the job I am in, I started my career working in McDonalds at age 16 on £1.81 an hour.... If there are no jobs where you live (which I find almost impossible to believe)… commute or move!!

There are plenty of Jobs out there, they may not be what people Want to do but they are money earning jobs.... Why should I or any other tax payer pay for those not willing to work to sit on their backside doing nothing??

It's funny how you accuse the BBC of being pro Labour, when the attitude you display comes straight from the Daily Mail or the Sun.

I don't see any quote here from either the mail or the sun... so confused by this statement. But my point is that I have the freedom of choice to choose what publication I read.... The BBC is paid for by us the licence payer by law. As such the BBC should be totally impartial. I don't care to be forced to pay for a Labour supporting propaganda machine!!

I say if you have been unemployed longer than 6 months, you should be forced into community service!!

If you are incapacitated you should be forced to undergo strict medical assessment every 6 months.

If more of our people contributed to our economy rather than draining it like parasites, we would all be better off!!!

Korg.

You are missing the point, Korg Trinity

The point here is that there are companies playing the system, getting away with tax evasion. There are corporations playing dirty and getting too big for their boots. There are bankers pulling off some barefaced scams and getting away with it.

And why has everyone forgotten about the government's expenses scandals? Where are all the prosecutions? Some of the amounts were for more than benefits claimants lifetime income.

The amount of money they are fleecing from us makes the entire benefits pot look like small change. So they should be the ones making the sacrifices and paying back the money they have stolen or avoided paying, instead of going for the people who live on the bare minimum for this society.

[edit on 25-8-2010 by EnactedEgoTrip]

Obviously those who funded this report have no agenda at all, nor has the media in how it has been presented

and if not taking this media headline to heart means I am an ignorant, greedy whatever, then that is what I must be

I'm not sure about anyone else, but cuts mean exactly that and there is no disguising the fact they are going to hurt the poor, they always do, how will this time be any different?

and as far as I am concerned we are not at the rebellion stage yet.. if the Gov allows things to continue at this pace then I am sure we'll get there soon enough.

This coalition of the worthless was already decided by the elites before a vote was cast. Forget democracy and fairness, these public school brokebackers are doing exactly what everyone feared. Its a good job that in the afterlife we can get our revenge. I just cant decide which scumbag i will put through infinite pain first...

Originally posted by strangleholder1
This coalition of the worthless was already decided by the elites before a vote was cast. Forget democracy and fairness, these public school brokebackers are doing exactly what everyone feared. Its a good job that in the afterlife we can get our revenge. I just cant decide which scumbag i will put through infinite pain first...

gosh I'm so shocked how short people's memories are.

The reason we have to make cuts in the first place is due to the stupendous uncontrolled spending of gordon brown and labour this last 13 years.

If you want to attack someone start with Labour.

Korg.