Cadborosauruses filmed in Alaska?

All four of the articles were published by John Kirk.

The author of the award-winning book In the Domain of the Lake Monsters, John Kirk is one of the world’s leading cryptozoological investigators. As president of the British Columbia Scientific Cryptozoology Club (BCSCC), John is part of a team of investigators that have searched for cryptids such as Ogopogo, Sasquatch, Cadborosaurus, black alligators, unknown cameloids, lacustrean cryptids and giant salamanders in the province of British Columbia.

You can read the rest of his bio here.
www.cryptomundo.com...

This article was published on Cryptomundo on August, 15th, 2010.

Jason Walton, cryptozoologist and head of the current search for recognition and classification of the legendary creature, says video footage of the creature is set to air next month on the Discovery Channel.

“There’s a guy up in Alaska who filmed about 15 (Cadborosauruses) swimming across an Alaskan Bay,” Walton said, adding that the video was shot from a boat and is close-up to the subjects.

www.cryptomundo.com...

This next article on the subject was published on Cryptomundo on August, 16th, 2010.

So as to clarify things and end speculation, allow me to tell the readership about this footage. I have seen it and examined it repeatedly for three hours in May last year and am satisfied that what is in the footage is not a known animal.

The footage was obtained by a Washington state fishing boat captain (his name is known to myself and other cryptozoological investigators who have looked at the footage) who fishes in Alaskan waters in the summer. He and his two sons were on the deck of their boat when they noticed a herd of dark coloured creatures with serrated backs being chased down a channel by a pod of beluga whales. They were stunned to see these animals as they resembled no known animal they had ever seen in their years of fishing.

One of the sons had the presence of mind to go below deck and grab a video camera to film the spectacle before them. When he returned to the deck the creatures – and there are between ten to fifteen of them including juveniles – had reversed direction and were bearing back up the channel to open water with the belugas in hot pursuit. A fair amount of this action is caught on videotape.

As the creatures pull level with the boat one is able to see two larger ones protecting what looks like a juvenile from the pursuing belugas. The serrated backs are clearly visible at times. Then one the creatures turns to look in the general direction of the camera and I must say I was stunned because it looked like a living breathing version of the famed Naden Harbour carcass obtained in 1937.

www.cryptomundo.com...

A third article was published on August, 19th, 2010.

It is not the greatest footage in the world and certainly not on a par with the Patterson/Gimlin film for clarity. However, it is good enough to see the salient points that I have mentioned that Paul Leblond and I observed.

It is difficult to estimate the exact number of creatures in the footage. Ten to fifteen seems reasonable from what I could count, on and off, during my viewing of the footage. It could be less as what we may perceive to be two creatures might be humps of just one creature.

There is another action that I forgot to include which is spouting. It was hard to tell where the spouting came from as far as one of the creatures is concerned as the camera was a bit fuzzy at this time. It could have been from its mouth or elsewhere, but what is clear is that it originated from the animal. I have never heard of beluga whales hunting sturgeon, as was the case in this video.

www.cryptomundo.com...

A fourth article was published on August, 20th, 2010.

This will be my last post on this subject until I have further news on when the show will be aired. I have asked the producers for a still from the footage, but am not expecting they will comply with my request.

I have no trouble saying that the head of one of the Nushagak Bay creatures and the Naden Harbour carcass looked identical. Paul Leblond and I both spotted this even though we viewed the footage separately.
I do not get the people on this forum that think that this is a hoax. I have been in the cryptozoological community for over 20 years and have been wary about all sorts of claims and hoaxes. I am only coming forward with this information as I feel fairly confident that there are cryptids in the Nushagak Bay footage.

www.cryptomundo.com...

There is more information in all the articles if you want to read it.

From reading John Kirk's bio he seems very knowledgable in the area of Cryptozoology.

The footage has not been released as of right now, so its hard to make many observations, but from reading the articles im looking forward to viewing the video.

Here's some information on Cadborosauruses.

"Cadborosaurus willsi", nicknamed Caddy, is an alleged sea serpent reported to be living on the Pacific Coast of North America. Its name is derived from Cadboro Bay in Victoria, British Columbia, and the Greek root word "saurus" meaning lizard or reptile. Reports describe it as being similar in form and behavior to various popularly named lake monsters such as "Ogopogo" of Okanagan Lake in British Columbia and to the Loch Ness Monster of Scotland.

en.wikipedia.org...

Theres more information in the article if you want to read it.

Any opinions from reading the articles? Could these creatures be Whales? Sturgeons? Cadborosauruses? or another Cryptid?

Ill try and post any other information I can find that relates to the topic and eventually hopefully post the video.

Cheers



Editing to add information, fix spelling errors and changed the thread title to include a question mark because at this point we cant tell if the video actually includes Cadborosauruses.





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All I can say is that I really want to see this footage.

Hopefully it indeed shows something that has as yet not been classified as actually existing.

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So what are we saying as I don't have the time to look that speciific animal up right now. What EXACTLY does it look it, are we talking nessie or something? I always suspected that there was more going on when it came to "sea-stories"...

Thanks for posting this; of course speculation is difficult without seeing anything, but I'll be watching this thread closely for an air date of the footage.

Originally posted by agentofchaos
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So what are we saying as I don't have the time to look that speciific animal up right now. What EXACTLY does it look it, are we talking nessie or something? I always suspected that there was more going on when it came to "sea-stories"...

I just edited in some information on Cadborosauruses from its wikipedia page.

"Cadborosaurus willsi", nicknamed Caddy, is an alleged sea serpent reported to be living on the Pacific Coast of North America. Its name is derived from Cadboro Bay in Victoria, British Columbia, and the Greek root word "saurus" meaning lizard or reptile. Reports describe it as being similar in form and behavior to various popularly named lake monsters such as "Ogopogo" of Okanagan Lake in British Columbia and to the Loch Ness Monster of Scotland. "Cadborosaurus willsi", nicknamed Caddy, is an alleged sea serpent reported to be living on the Pacific Coast of North America. Its name is derived from Cadboro Bay in Victoria, British Columbia, and the Greek root word "saurus" meaning lizard or reptile. Reports describe it as being similar in form and behavior to various popularly named lake monsters such as "Ogopogo" of Okanagan Lake in British Columbia and to the Loch Ness Monster of Scotland.

en.wikipedia.org...

Theres more information included in the article.

According to the article its similar in form and behavior to the Ogopogo and Nessie.

Cheers

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I think we have all been burned by Cryptozoologist so many times that most of the people I know have lost all interest. Cryptozoology is UFO porn, it never delivers.

As I read the description of the footage in the O.P. my first thought was sturgeon.
Interesting that sturgeon are mentioned at the end, in this quote

I have never heard of beluga whales hunting sturgeon, as was the case in this video.

By the way, I'm not trying to debunk the O.P. specifically, it's just that I've seen so many of these shows build the hype, yet never come through with anything close to concrete.

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In the third article John Kirk says..

As for the comment that they were sturgeons, they were not despite the serrated backs. These were not sturgeon-type backs.

www.cryptomundo.com...


I agree its annoying when things like this are built up but end up disappointed. Hopefully in this case it turns out to be the real deal.

Cheers



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Yeah, I was just over on Cryptomundo reading up.
I hope this turns out to be the real deal

I have a sneaky feeling that it is going to show some "dot" in the water creating a wake. If there was really definitive proof of this animal, such as clear cut footage, then we would be reading about it in science journals or seeing it on the evening news, in between Brittany Spears underwear design and American Idol.


--airspoon

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Whats making me think and hope it will be something better then that is because I dont know why John Kirk would put his credit at stake like this, unless it was good footage.

From reading his bio he seems experienced and knowledgable.

Cheers

thanks for sharing!
Only time will tell if this turns out to be a hoax, or not.
Of what we can be sure of is of the fact that the mystery still remains elusive, and that even when we believe we know and have seen all there is to see, something happens and we find ourselves back on step one, still trying to figure out the mystery that life on earth is...

here's hoping it turns out to be real....

Originally posted by airspoon
I have a sneaky feeling that it is going to show some "dot" in the water creating a wake. If there was really definitive proof of this animal, such as clear cut footage, then we would be reading about it in science journals or seeing it on the evening news, in between Brittany Spears underwear design and American Idol.


--airspoon

If this were reported on the main stream media, it would most likely appear late at night on one of the overnight news programs and be panned by the reporter who brought it up. I've seen this happen over and over. I don't blame those who shot the footage if they chose to do an exclusive deal with discovery. At least their documentaries don't go out of their way to make fun of the whole thing.

Does anyone know when it will be disclosed?
A certain timeframe?

I regularly check Cruptomundo and I all I can say is, that I believe there's something to this footage. They're rather rational in their publications, and don't tend to get overexicted by dead mammals fished out of the water.
Of course, nothing will be clear until we see the footage itself, but I'm really looking forward to it.
I subscribed to the this thread, and I hope someone will post something, once the footage will be broadcasted.

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Not sure on the specific date yet, but John Kirk wrote this in the first article he posted.

Breaking news has surfaced that photographic evidence of Caddy will be broadcast on television in September 2010.

www.cryptomundo.com...

Cheers

Originally posted by airspoon
I have a sneaky feeling that it is going to show some "dot" in the water creating a wake.

After many years, I have to agree with this. Little humps or bumps on the water. Difficult to tell how far away they are, and therefore how large. Close-ups blown completely to pieces and showing nothing definitive.

It's easy to be cynical and dismissive, because it sounds like the same old song and dance all over again.

4 articles written, yet no video....I will reserve judgment; however, this seems all too familiar.


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For everyone thinking this is a hoax or it will just be a poor video, why would John Kirk put his credability on the line?

Unless he was somehow tricked, I dont see why he would knowingly engage in something like this unless he found the material presented genuine.

He's putting his neck on the line and in a situation like this I dont see what he personally would have to gain if he was in on a hoax or was lying about the footage.

Cheers

If this footage was taken relatively recently, why would it be of "poor quality"? Modern camcorders are far superior to the cine camera that Roger Patterson used in 1967, so I can't see how it could possibly be of lesser quality......unless it's faked.