Terrorists supporting Michael Moore films, Communists supporting anti-war movements...

Frankly, I'm starting to get sick of all this "oh he is linked to this person, and this person is linked to that person." BS. Have you ever seen Spaceballs? "I'm your mother's brother's uncle's sister's vetrinarian's barber," and etc. You could link anyone to anyone else if you really wanted to, I'm sure someone could link me with Hitler if they really wanted to. All you need to do is a bunch of digging up stuff that doesn't really matter. I'm honestly getting sick of it. I found a website that linked Moore to the Saudis in the same way Moore linked Bush with the Saudis. It's all a bunch of malarky in my eyes. Oh no! Bush's grandfather was in cahoots with Hitler's banker, stop the presses!

So yeah... I think its all ridiculous.

(By the way, I'm interested to know about exactly why we're in a national emergency since the civil war, if you could U2U me with some info, I'd appreciate it. And how that makes us communists because I don't see myself giving all my money to the government and whatnot. Thanks.)

you bunch of capitalistic slaves

They are linked by their blood, lobby of oil-church-high tech-weapons-politic..., and their traditions.
W. is the 43 of its name and is in a sect that hold the whole white house and say the world have to become roman or we will all go to hell. Bush have seen God that gave hime a mission of war.
This is not roman at all, this is a hoax said the Pop...

I understand this is too stupid too seem true. But Germans didn't thought they will do that one day too. It was in 1924 when Prescott Bush gave everything to them to get the power, then he weaponed them and made Jews to be gazed work in his firm in east europ.
IBM is also in process to have give to nazis a tech to count the prisonners in concentrations camps.
P. Bush was of the final solution, W. is doing the very same with arabs and israel will be destroyed by the atomic bomb Saudi have financed for Pakistan. They all know themselves and work for money, but roman american sionists are to win above all of them.

This is boring, sure, we have to fight hard to know just a very few, but in the end... WW3 for whites peoples.
Al Qaida only wanted the wahhabit kingdom (Saudi) to get its oil back and control its own Culture, even if integrist. But Bush lobby got Ossama far away after years and years of trade, so they have the oil of Wahhabit and Iraqi now.... and the war to kill arabs that america hate.

Nice work pentagon, but not for europeans or else!

A thread by FreeMason, is supposed to be taken seriously? Bleh.

Bush has quite a bit more to hide than Moore, why else would there be such an uproar to stop the film...

michael moore is a traitor and a hypocrite

EDIT: There is a certain segment of society who are just so stubborn that they refuse to see the facts. I don't know if it's pride or what, but I'm just going to avoid this section of ATS because the people who hate Moore, won't admit he's right, even if he is, and it aggravates me to no end.

[edit on 25-6-2004 by curme]

Agent 47 - You said "I just love it when the Canadians come in and offer the most useless comments on a war they havent fought in years. We are only in a stance from which we cant retreat because if we do then another islamic fundamentalist terrorist will slip through your customs and then into America through the northern border."

OK, so you dissed me as well as my country... thanks, now I feel a bit freer to reply that I just love it when some Americans feel the need to discredit other countries who don't agree with them by labelling them as terrorist lovers. Maybe we should be a part of the Axis of Evil?

What I'm saying is not only as a Canadian, but as someone who follows the news daily and spends quite a good amount of time doing so. What I'm saying is that it is always harder to win the peace than to win the war - and it's going to be hard no matter who's sitting in the Oval Office. War is always about making some people unhappy - and in this case, well, a lot of people didn't want the U.S. there in the first place, and the international community politely objected that there were rules to be observed before it got to the inevitability (but of course, those countries objecting have to be America haters, right?).

The Bush administration consciously took the decision to forgo the international rules of engagement and instead acted unilaterally. I don't think Canada has to be blamed for your mess.

Alchy will you just shut-up?

Research Thyssen Corp (the company named for the man a man who helped to bring Nazis to power. A man who was so outraged by Hitler's hate for the Jews that he spent the last two years of the War in a Concentration camp himself. A man named Frederick Thyssen, the man that Prescott Bush has connections with).

I'm sick of hearing your buffoonery.

The point of this thread is simple.

As the Soviets assaulted the west with propoganda through the Communist Information Agency, so does Terrorism through the Media and through buffoons like Michael Moore.

Who do you think will fund Moore the most? American Movie go-ers...or Arab terrorist movie go-ers?

They'll pay millions to see his movie. They already have.

I suggest someone actually try and defend Michael Moore's arguments, instead of simply saying that the other person is a buffoon.

Hezbollah supports Michael Moore�s �Fahrenheit 9/11

I moved my post to
NEWS: Organizations related with terrorism are promoting Michael Moore's film. 1 2 3
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[edit on 26-6-2004 by Sauron]

Originally posted by Otts

OK, so you dissed me as well as my country... thanks, now I feel a bit freer to reply that I just love it when some Americans feel the need to discredit other countries who don't agree with them by labelling them as terrorist lovers. Maybe we should be a part of the Axis of Evil?

A. Quote me next time.

B. Yes I dismissed your countries efforts in the War on Terror and your previous statements. I didnt dismiss you or your country rather your actions. I never called you a terrorist lover nor a member of the Axis of Evil. Your just being a scandlemonger by saying that.

and in this case, well, a lot of people didn't want the U.S. there in the first place, and the international community politely objected that there were rules to be observed before it got to the inevitability (but of course, those countries objecting have to be America haters, right?).

Yes but there were large ammounts of people who did want us there. Go ask an Iraqi Kurd whether or not he wanted the American Invasion. Go ask an Iraqi Jew or Christian. There are countries outside of America that supported the invasion. And no every nation has a sovereign right do disagree but that doesnt entitle them to interfere with the reconstruction.

The Bush administration consciously took the decision to forgo the international rules of engagement and instead acted unilaterally. I don't think Canada has to be blamed for your mess.

Ok when I first criticized your countries efforts I was talking about the war on terror and not Iraq But there you go again misrepresenting what I said and once again offering commentary to something no one was discussing. I wasnt blaming Canada for Iraq, I was pointing out its indisputable lax standards for immigration and its poor track record at stopping terrorists in ints borders. Hope by putting this in bold letters you wont misread my statements again.


By the way would you be so kind to show me the "international rules of engagement" outside of the Geneva Conventions I dont remember the United States signing any document obliging itself to a "international rules of engagement"

Cant wait to see how you spin my words next time.

[edit on 26-6-2004 by Agent47]

Hey Agent! havent talked to you ina while! Funny, last time i saw a post of yours was in the one line art thread, and now we're all arage about Moore and all this lovely chit chat! Nice running into you again!

[edit on 6-26-04 by Scat]

Originally posted by Scat
we're all arage about Moore and all this lovely chit chat! Nice running into you again!

Ay but the rage only comes from people trying to spin my words in this thread.

Agent47 -

A) I got a "slap on the hand" for quoting too much, hence the italic

B) I wasn't trying to spin your words, but rather replying to the fact that in my view, calling my opinion "useless" because I'm Canadian and represent a country which allegedly allows flows of terrorists into the U.S. is unacceptable. The opinion I had offered about the war in Iraq - which has been adequated to the larger war on terror - I offered not as a Canadian but as someone who reads the news and can form an opinion on the subject. Yet you were the one who marginalized me as a Canadian and, in essence, told me that the fact my country is not fighting the war on terror dismisses my opinion as "useless". Or was I supposed to take that comment another way? Is commenting on the war reserved to the countries who participate in it? Should the rest of us be quiet and just leave the War on Terrorism forum?

Originally posted by Otts
I offered not as a Canadian but as someone who reads the news and can form an opinion on the subject.

This is the second time youve said this exact line. Funny they can teach monkeys to both watch the news and repeat themselves.

Or was I supposed to take that comment another way?

You were talking about what is a good thing for the United States in your first point. I simply pointed out you were a Canadian commenting on whats good for America. I dont come into your country and tell you how to run things or how to prononce the word about. I dont understand how you understand whats good for America. Oh wait you "Read the news" I'll say that now before you repeat yourself for a third time.

Really stop trying to make your country's lax borders standards appear as a speculative opinion. Its the truth that numerous terrorists have/continue to slip through the free border and Canadian customs seems to never catch these people on Federal watch lists.

And is commenting on the war reserve for those fighting it? Well preferably it would be yes but we do support freedom of speech so you can continue your nonsensical illinformed comments. There no doubt will be more after this post.

So the dissing continues, huh? Because if I post something else, it will be called "nonsensical" and "ill-informed", while if I refrain from posting, you'll gloat that you shut me up, and that hence you were right.

I'm not the kind of person who is going to flaunt his credentials, but I've been reading about history - European and American - since I was 13. When I said that Kerry in my opinion would not do better, I was not "telling the U.S. what it should do". I was simply saying that when wars become that complicated, often a different leader will not be able to do better by simply waving a magic wand. I'm simply stating that in my humble opinion, the United States are in a situation where backing down would be seen as a sign of weakness, hence they must push forward.

And please do note that I was replying to a post asking whether the terrorists would prefer to have Bush or Kerry in the White House. My reply was simply to say that it probably won't matter, since the war will probably be seen to the end at this point.

Ah, but since I'm not American, I should probably cease stating my opinion and instead hang my head for my own country's shortcomings.

I wasn't going to go into that, but since you're forcing my hand... At least I'm willing to admit my country has shortcomings. Are you? Or is America always right?

Originally posted by Otts
. At least I'm willing to admit my country has shortcomings. Are you? Or is America always right?

America and even this administration has countless shortcommings. Paul Wolfowitz and Dick Cheney have their hands up the military industrial complex's ass. Bush's gung ho attitude left us without the international sanctioned action that was needed in Iraq, and some legilsation like the Patriot Act divides this country to the point that it harms security.

Your assumptions concerning my beliefs dont resemble someone who has been "reading history since I was 13". I have spent a considerable portion of my youth reading history as well, and I agree with you that in this stage of the war we have no choice but continue with our efforts.

Maybe I misread your point and unfairly picked on your nationality. I still stand my assertion I was criticizing your efforts not you as a poster, but all the same I offer an apology for my harsh words.

I think that this topic makes people very passionate, to say the least. Don't think twice about it - I apologize as well if I offended you. And I think it's always best when this doesn't become personal.

And for the record... Canada's military is laughable, we have 30-year-old helicopters, and yes, the border is porous. So there.

Originally posted by Otts
Canada's military is laughable, we have 30-year-old helicopters, and yes, the border is porous. So there.

Take heart in that you more than likely have the better end of both categories compared to our neighbor to the South.