Stand aside Sharia – here comes biblical law

Re: Jayde

OT apart, and to my knowledge, the only 'historical' NT information about Jesus outside apocrypha and the socalled heretical texts are the mandaeans, who include John the baptist in their list of 'gurus'.

The mandaean (still existing) traditon contains pre-christian, even pre-jewish, elements and can thus not be considered 'heretic' (a common christian propaganda-trick to silence opposition).

And the mandaeans called Jesus a 'deciever-messiah'.

So much for 'years of study and following history down the line'.

Here is an idea - let's throw away Sharia law - an old and brutal system - and let's throw away the old testaments of the bible - an old and brutal system.

But let's keep a few rules:

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Love your neighbours (OK, not the loud partying ones, but people generally).

Those are really the only two rules we need in order to survive.

reply to post by The Djin


Written by Moses, actually. Who was basically an Egyptian version of David Koresh. So. yeah.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by The Djin

 

Written by Moses, actually. Who was basically an Egyptian version of David Koresh. So. yeah.

Technically we have nothing written by one Moses nor any evidence that the guy even existed.

However we can can follow the Egyptian route as you imply but this destroys the christian argument even further It can only (if followed through) lead to Christianity being the remnant of an Egyptian cult .

As you are probably aware there is plenty of evidence to support the exodus of the Atenians and even the circumstantial evidence is better than the christian evidence ie no evidence.

This of course would obviously cause a few problems for the jewish state of Israel occupying Palestine if the "God" gave it to us" claim wasn't ropey enough.

reply to post by jayde


spirituality 101:
an entity can be identified by the vibration!
there are many gods...but there is just ONE GOD...ya know capable of creating something from nothing....
that doesn't mean that all those gods aren't being used by GOD, some are, some aren't so much....
I was a member of a pentecostal church for many years, have spoken in tongues and all that, have read the bible through quite a few times...ya know start with genesis and end with revelation....
if that isn't adequate enough for you, well, don't know what to say....
I guess god should have been a little clearer with his book, if one needs years of research to understand the meaning....

you have a problem with submission...
welll, that little tidbit, directed at women, is found in the pentecostal religion, in the methodist religion, in the baptist religion, mormon, jahovah witness....
and well, read the bible from cover to cover, you will find....that the original writers meant just that!! submit!
the story of ruth, in a nutshell...

ruth's husband dies at and early age, and there is no brothers to take his place, so, well, with no husband to care for her, she finds herself dependent on her mother in law. so, well, she follows Naomi around for awhile till Naomi finds herself in a village where there is a relative. instructs ruth to go to his tent, get undressed being careful not to wake the guy up, and lays at his feet....and well, the guy has the shock of his life in the morning when he wakes up....she offers herself to him, no strings attached apparantly...
and well, luckily for her, the guy has some moral fiber built into him and marries her.....
and well...there's a happy ending.....
because of her faith in god of course...
if it was an unhappy ending, which would be the case for most women who did something that dumb, well...then it would of been because of her lack of faith, of course.....

so, if you had a daughter, would you give her this kind of instruction?

the bible isn't that kind to women, and technically I could use scriptures to defend the position that hey, ain't no women saved, unless her husband agrees to it!!!

of course, no church on this earth will place that in their doctrine, they want the women to bring the little ones into the church, hoping that hubby will follow...
but, well, when you hear things within the church like
"well, if her husband doesn't want her here, maybe she shouldn't be here...."
well, that kind of tells me that the church can't do much for me!
I no longer call myself a christian!
has nothing to do with my feelings toward "GOD" or the Christ...
says alot about my feeling toward the churches and religious establishments though....
when I hear christians having a fit over their gov't, not being that tied to religion...what I am hearing is:
they want the gov't to do what they can't do....
and part of that which they can't do is put the genie back into the box, and get women willing to submit to the whims of their menfolk anylonger...and they want the gov't to:
change the divorce laws....although....God finallly allowed divorces when he say how the men were treating their wives, abandoning them whenever a prettier version came along, and thought it was good to give the women a chance at remarriage....
change the laws regarding women's rights in the workplace...preferably to the place where most women would have no option but to remain married...
change the options women have regarding reproduction...they want the birth control gone!

they don't want to murder anyone...
they just want their submissive little wives back!!

it will take a few generations before they can get the masses conditioned enough to go on any murderous killing sprees!



I don't want to convince you to change your faith, or belief system....it's yours, it sounds like it works for you.
but....what works for you doesn't work for others....and therefore, it has no business enlisting the government's assistance to force everyone to life according to your way....


and well, to me, if I said that God wouldn't talk to the guy on the island alone and not really care what name he called him, as long as he got the message, well, all I would be trying to do is limit an unlimited God.....

just like if I said that God wouldn't call out someone's wife to do something, even though hubby didn't want her to do it, just because hubby didn't want her to do it....well...
I would be trying to do the same thing....
Hey God, you can't do that!! See, it says so right here in this book, written by men, according to what your spirit told them!!!

God can do whatever he pleases!

reply to post by catwhoknows


if you don't address those partiers a few blocks down in a loving way, there is little chance you will get any positive response from them....
ya, you might get them to lower the music a tad, for a night or two, but then well, it more than likely be back, and those partiers will be a little more hostile toward you the next time you interact with them...

love (not the doormat variety) has the power to transform...
any kind of force, will more than likely be met with an equal or greater force...just bringing the conflict to a higher level.



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reply to post by The Djin


Meh, Moses seems good enough, if you're looking to pin it on someone.

And yeah. even a casual study of the religion would show that Judiasm did not come out of Ur with the supposed Abraham. Given further that Hebrew and its offshoots are pretty much the only Semitic languages spoken outside Africa, and absolutely no historical record of the Exodus story, and you've got yourself a ragtag mob of egyptians hoofing it out to the boondocks of the empire and trying to act like they're all that.

In a similar vein, Islam, with that whole Mohammed thing? Mohammed was either a Jewish or Christian convert. Who was about as spot-on eith either religion as the Senegalese are with Islam today. Kinda making it up as you go along stuff.

reply to post by dawnstar

spirituality 101: an entity can be identified by the vibration!

Where does one obtain and entity vibration detector, do you have one ?

reply to post by The Djin


I believe it's called the G-spot, and that roughly half the earth's population comes equipped. The rest of us will eternally search for this semi-mythical device, but, apparently we will never find it.

reply to post by The Djin


ya, you do too, but maybe you just haven't discovered yours yet...

reply to post by dawnstar


Told ya so.

Second line.

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reply to post by TheWalkingFox


hey my little vibration detector has just as much credibility as a book written centuries ago by primitive people who believed that God created half the population to be slaves to the other half!

The detectors are most likely there, what mankind really needs is some way of interpretating incoming signals.

Maybe some device constructed by a zen-monk and a mad quantum physicist together.

Originally posted by The Djin
reply to post by Nammu

 

But hey, this is Scottish law so this will NEVER happen.

If the Scots can release murdering terrorists from prison and fly them home to be hailed as national heroes, then there's every-chance they could embrace a book alleged to be written by a murdering terrorist eg yahwhe/jesus

Nothing surprises me when christians worm their way into office or positions of authority.

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[edit on 24-8-2010 by The Djin]

You obviously don't understand the Lockerbie trial very well. Try not listening to the garbage you were fed about that and pay attention to the truth. The fact that he was in there in the first place, not the fact he was released, is the real miscarriage of justice. You have no understanding of the real reasons for his release or why it they had to hide it as 'compassionate' release.

Go research and if you still believe your above statement and want to debate that create a new thread and i'll be happy to join.

Anyway, on topic.

Scotland is too secular for any laws like this. Plus Sharia courts still act under local laws and do not supercede them so biblical courts would have to be separate from main courts and still follow the law of the land. It just wouldn't work. I love this quote from the original source:

how would the Scottish seafood industry fare if the biblical ban on shellfish were to be enforced? On the other hand, there might be a revival of the Shetland woolly jumper industry if there was a ban on garments made of two kinds of material – as required in the Bible.

Religious nuts out our courts i say!

there isn't a consensus amoung christians as to what those laws would be, a glance through this thread clearly indicates that. some believe that all those old laws were set aside by Christ...other's believe that they are still there to be obeyed.
some christians, who believe that they should follow the laws regarding the Sabbath...which, by the way is SATURDAY....
while others believe that Sunday is the sabbath, or everyday is, or whatever....

I've even heard christians debate over the baptism and the actual words that are used in it...if it wasn't done in the name of Jesus Christ, oh no they aren't baptized or if it wasn't in the name of The Father, Son and Holy Ghost...ect....

any gov't that decided to take on the religion's laws as their own, well, they'd have to pick and chose amoung all the various beliefs and decide which ones are valid and throw out the rest....
thus, well, claiming that some christians are in fact not christian, and well...write the laws to make everyone conform to the chosen belief system....
only none of the systems are 100% correct in my opinion, and the religion won't be free to weed out the imperfect if all are forced to conform to it..

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by The Djin

 

I believe it's called the G-spot, and that roughly half the earth's population comes equipped. The rest of us will eternally search for this semi-mythical device, but, apparently we will never find it.

What is curious is why the creator (in a created world) would place a G spot type thing in the arse ? Surely if Mr Jesus didn't want men pillow munching each other then he shouldn't go around sticking an erogenous zone in an exit hole , bah perhaps you just have to be a gay chrsitian to understand that one. I'll leave it at that.

reply to post by The Djin


That is the funniest thing i've read all day. And so true!

It's simple really, just because you can interpret religious texts in an extreme manner doesn't mean all religious followers are extremists.

There's idiots in every group

reply to post by The Djin


Maybe he put it there so exiting would feel pleasurable, in the hopes that his followers wouldn't be so full of it? Just a thought. Doesn't seem to have worked, though.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by The Djin

 

Maybe he put it there so exiting would feel pleasurable, in the hopes that his followers wouldn't be so full of it? Just a thought. Doesn't seem to have worked, though.

Think that put paid to that thread